WW2, Soviet Incompetence

Stalin purged the entire army staff who was any competent and only idiots like Voroshilov and Budyenny remained.
Hell, most of the best generals of the war like Rokossovky were tortured in the purges and only recently rehabilitated.
Also their corrupt leadership really fucked over the army in terms of rearmament and new equipment production. In 1941 most of the Soviet Air force consisted of obsolete bi-planes or planes that were used in Spanish Civil War like I-16. Newer models like Mig-3 and Lagg-3 were garbage and decimated during the first hours of the invasion anyway. Same went for the army with most tanks being obsolete T-26s with only a few KVs and T-34s.
Soviet soldiers fought bravely and made Germans bleed, whenever they fought them were always fucked over by Soviet leadership who refused for them to fall back and let them get encircled. Also officers had their hands tied because Political commissars who were fanatics of the party intervened in their every decision, mostly for the worse.
The reason why 1941-42 was so tragic was also because the Soviets were resettling their entire industry to the east which took time and their war production was cut by 30% of what it was in the peacetime which left troops without plentiful ammunition and shells at the Battle of Moscow and left them vulnerable for Fall Blau.
It was only in late 1942 that the true potential of the Red Army was realized and we all know what happened next at Stalingrad, Kursk, Bagration, etc.

>the weather was favorable to the defenders
No it wasn't, it was almost impossible for either side to fight in the mud season and being really cold is a huge help to the attacker because the only meaningful natural barriers out there are rivers AND THEY FREEZE. If you attack a place that gets very cold in the winter without cold-weather gear that is your problem.

Literaly everyone was on meth or speed in ww2. Any given faction. Its only that the germans had the best shit, Pervitin.
High command all dead thanks to stalins sperg out.

Brainlets can only name zhukov

Rokossovky mate

Russians are more Aryan than Germans.

that is a flat out lie my friend.
Germans and Russians were pretty much the same for a loooong time tho.
All those communist purges made the russians the inbred slav mutt race they are today.
Still a strong and powerful nation but they killed off all actual russian christians, or nearly did.

>You ever tried organizing a million man army without computers and decent ommunications?
The US did it. In the late 30's, the US Army was something like the 18th largest in the world, an absolutely puny force and poorly equipped to boot. By the end of the war they had 16,000,000 in uniform, winning the war. The subhuman Sovs had 14,500,000 military dead, because they were retarded commies.

Another "soviet were incompetent, germans were the best" thread.
The soviets were crap tactically, mainly because as numerous posters already said their command structure got decimated by their retarded regime.
However this was still a thousand times better than what the Germans did. Their tactics were okay at the beginning of the war, but their entire strategy amounted to
>hans look a huge country
>let's split our army in 3 groups
>send each group to follow a straight line
The ensuing bickering, rivalries and general incompetence of German high command is hilarious. They kept shifting priorities and not setting clear objectives, and ended up failing hard everywhere.
It is fortunate for them that the Russians were so bad at the time, an average WW1 army would have defeated them.

nah they are slavized finns

>All those communist purges made the russians the inbred slav mutt race they are today.
ebin pseudoscience

incompetence is in their blood
>[cyka blyaat]

still won

...

>first the entire top layer of society, all the landowners and aristocrats, doctors and people with education and practical skills were slaughtered.
>civil war followed, several million strong young men killed
>purges, the top layer of intelligent, successfull and popular communists slaughtered, cultured and educated men sent to gulag or lyublanka
>ww2, 27 million people killed, 10-15% of population

Hmmm I wonder what happens to a population if you repeatedly remove the cream of the crop, the people who can think indepently, and replace them with gopniks and easily controlled bydlo-tier scum. Then you lose all the best males from several generations in quick succession because of war.
There's still some good people left, but to say it didn't have any impact is retarded.

Brainlet thread
>zerg rush
is strategy of using rash charge against the unprepared enemy, literally every Hunnic offensive in 1939-1941 period
>Stalin killed most of the high ranked officers
There werent any competent high ranked officers killed, Tuchachevsky is a meme general, Rokosovskij is the only one worth mentioning, but he got released in 1940. Vast majority of the "high ranked generals" were politicians that got their positions for licking Trotsky´s ass
>shitty tactics
Red army used literally the same squad doctrine as Germs, with small difference that Soviet squads had 11 men in squad instead of 10, both were based around the usage of machinegun, Soviet tactics were even superior because of usage of SMGs
>shitty logistics
I thought we talk about Red army, not Wehrmacht
>only idiots like Voroshilov and Budyenny remained.
This is a case of almost every army at the beggining of the war, highest French, Polish and UK commanders were absolute brainlets and got replaced after the occupation of their countries (in the case of Poland and France) by the competent officers.
>conscripted peasants meme
Soviets adopted universal conscription in 1936 and for all men in 1939, avarage Soviet citizen was much better prepared for war than avarage UK or USA citizen. Hunns have an advantage here due to the stuff like Hitlerjugend
biggest Soviet problem was lack of NCOs and lower officers due to their loss at the beggining of the Barbarossa.

if you call that winning, i hope my country never wins anything

Brainlet thread
>zerg rush
is strategy of using rash charge against the unprepared enemy, literally every Hunnic offensive in 1939-1941 period
>Stalin killed most of the high ranked officers
There werent any competent high ranked officers killed, Tuchachevsky is a meme general, Rokosovskij is the only one worth mentioning, but he got released in 1940. Vast majority of the "high ranked generals" were politicians that got their positions for licking Trotsky´s ass
>shitty tactics
Red army used literally the same squad doctrine as Germs, with small difference that Soviet squads had 11 men in squad instead of 10, both were based around the usage of machinegun, Soviet tactics were even superior because of usage of SMGs
>shitty logistics
I thought we talk about Red army, not Wehrmacht
>only idiots like Voroshilov and Budyenny remained.
This is a case of almost every army at the beggining of the war, highest French, Polish and UK commanders were absolute brainlets and got replaced after the occupation of their countries (in the case of Poland and France) by the competent officers.
>conscripted peasants meme
Soviets adopted universal conscription in 1936 and for all men in 1939, avarage Soviet citizen was much better prepared for war than avarage UK or USA citizen. Hunns have an advantage here due to the stuff like Hitlerjugend
biggest Soviet problem was lack of NCOs and lower officers due to their loss at the beggining of the Barbarossa. The fact that Red army was in the middle of re-arnament and re-organization and some units didnt even had fuel ro ammo was a big factor as well.

They won the damn war either way, what more do you want?

Russians always seem to start off weak and get strong in the second half

>soviets had better tactics logistics and strategy, that's why we lost 2x more soldiers and were getting raped by the retarded germans for 3 years even though we had 3x more troops???

war isnt call of duty Hans

That's precisely why Germany won the war.

Again, you were getting raped for 3 years Vasya, if you're so competent you should have been in Berlin AT LEAST in 1944. But hey it's fine if a nation has 15% of it's population wiped off the earth. At least we won.

T amerimutt

France lost the WW1 right

Well they were taken completely by surprise since comrade stalin chose literally the one time in his entire career when he could havemjustifiably been paranoid to not be paranoid and specifically ordered the red army to not prepare for the invasion in every way.

Obviously his purges had a negative effect but they learned that in the winter war and were already undoing the damadge, which in part motivated hitlet to invade before the red army could be reformed back into a proper fighting force.

They essentially lost most of their trained troops and experienced officers in 1941, as well as having to move a tonne of their industry to the east. This led to inexperienced officers with commissars breathing down their necks ordering underequipped and barely trained soldiers into attacks that the high command activley opposed but stalin insisted upon.

Luckily stalin and the party actually learned from their mistakes and by 1943 the red army had involved into an unstoppable steamroller. Hitler on the other hand basically did the opposite, convinced that the early german successes were entirely becaus eof him he took power away from the prussian officer core and handed it to fanatical nazis with mo idea how to fight leading to the wermacht becoming a complete joke by late 1944

>every way.
Any way*

>There werent any competent high ranked officers killed, Tuchachevsky is a meme general, Rokosovskij is the only one worth mentioning, but he got released in 1940. Vast majority of the "high ranked generals" were politicians that got their positions for licking Trotsky´s ass
Then why did Voroshilov tell Stalin "you killed all my best generals, what the fuck do you expect me to do" when being admonished for the red army's poor performance in the winter war?

>you
I doubt he was there

>Have over three times the population of Germany
>still manage to get outnumbered by them

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baer-Babinet_law

Solzhenitsyn is a novel writer, not historian.
>Be Kraut
>Have 250 000 000 people under the controll of Axis in Europe alone + 80 000 000 in Soviet Union
>still loose to Soviets that have less than 190 000 000

>germans had 250 mil. europeans under control

5/10 bait made me reply

Come on. The purges were devastating to Russia's intellectual and cultural traditions but if we're talking genetics here, they were a drop in the bucket.

The Civil War and WWII were obviously devastating but there's no reason to believe they disproportionately killed intelligent, creative people. They probably killed a pretty even cross-section of society (if we're talking about intellect, anyway - I'm sure some demographics were represented more than others). Even ignoring all the civilians who died, why on earth would you think that all the "best males" were more likely to become soldiers and get sent to the front lines? Everyone was subject to the draft.

I never said Germans, I said Axis, 185 000 000 is Germany, Italy and occupied France without Africa alone.

>every single french person was going to join their occupier's army
>there wasn't a resistance movement in almost every occupied country

6/10 bait, has comedic potential

>every single Soviet person was going to join their army
>there wasn't a resistance movement in almost every Soviet Republic
Try harder Hunn

>Counting the population of your enemies the same as your own population
Commies are fucking pathetic

STALIN'S PURGES.

the purges killed a lot of experienced commanders/generals ,leaving only amateurs and newbie general to command men on the field.

Actually that anecdote is from Nikita Khrushchev's memoirs.

Khrushchev had IQ 81
Hitlerite manpower on field reached its peak in 1944. about 12 milion men, its not your enemies fault that you are autistic and cant mentain effective conscription.

name some experienced officers that got purged (killed, not arrested like Rokosovskij)

>Khrushchev had IQ 81
Is this seriously your argument? That is very poor historical scholarship.

He was there and you weren't, you don't get to discard primary sources simply because they don't fit your narrative. When the sources conflict with what you think that means YOU are wrong. History isn't religion, it's not about having faith in the things you were told as a child.

I can only remember one,which is M.Tukhachevsky.He did great at kicking the white guard's ass.

Khrushchev blamed literally everythign he could on Stalin, and I bealive that highly succesful Soviet commanders are more reliable source than Hohol peasant

The USSR would have been a superpower earlier had Mikhail Frunze, who doubled as army favorite and Stalin doppleganger not died. I doubt the worst of what happened during Stalin's reign would have occured either.

>Khrushchev blamed literally everythign he could on Stalin
Ah the old postwar Wehrmacht treatment I see.

This is what poltards actually believe

Bagramyan m8

So you're saying that conversation never happened? What proof do you have to back up that claim?

>it took them years to break the stalemate at Stalingrad
Stalingrad lasted months, not years.

Are you sure about that?

8 mil, not 14

retarded commies killed of most of their high ranking military command for "wrongthink", so go figure

[stands in a breadline, reeking of vodka and krokodil, snickering knowing he can finally shitpost against the eternal Piotr]

>every victory they had they lost more men than the Germans
Assuming you were talking about 1941, vast majority, not "every". There were still things like Yelenskaya operacia, or operation Silberfuchs. If you were not, then bullshit.

>were relying on Americans for supplies
Not during Barbarossa IIRC.

*masturbates to winged hussars saving christianity before quickly cleaning the mess he made in his workspace (toilet)

>being mad Poles can actually get jobs
wew la

>thread devolves into slav shitposting

Welp.

>"jobs"