Paxhell

Wellbutrin works so well for me that I need to be on mood stabilizers just to avoid going manic on the stuff.

Stuff will treat different people differently. Some SSRIs work well for some people and terribly for others. My one bit of advice from experience though is that you never go cold turkey from an SSRI - I tried and was sick for a month straight - so ween yourself off if you end up doing that.

Good stuff, don't worry they are peice of cake to come off if you do it slowly.

dodo bird verdict.

google it, kiddo.

psychologigal diseases are real. the treatments are not.

>One hour of cardio will raise your seretonin the same amount
Want to know how I can tell you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

I agree for depressio/anxiety meds are a meme. Exercise and therapy are good

Thanks all, I went through the roughest year of my life last year divorcing my wife after 16 years of marriage. Screwed me up pretty bad. We have 5 children together

>psychologigal diseases are real. the treatments are not.
So you have like universal knowledge of everyone that's ever tried a pysch med, and can easily confirm that no drug ever has had any positive effect on anyone, including depressed people, schizophrenics, and bipolar people like myself (to which I can attest that within 2 days of skipping meds I start to have bad times).

Pharmacyfag here.

Speak with your doctor about this. I know you don't want to, but there are other medications that you could try. One in particular, Viibryd, is supposedly for those with this exact problem. However, a lot of the trouble people have with SSRIs is that to know if they are working, you need to be on them for a few months. Your other solution would be to stick it out and see if that side effect goes away.

What to not do is quitting them without guidance from your doctor, since this could have some serious drawbacks (worse depression, "shocks", etc.).

Good luck, user.

Good luck OP. Hope nice things, like making it, happen to you.

Thanks pharmacyfag! I'll weigh my options. Not that I need to breed by any means, just a release. Haven't climaxed in over a month.

You're too kind

Pharmacist here. SSRI's have a sexual side effect rate of between 60-70%, tricyclics around 30%, Reboxetine has the lowest incidence of sexual side effects (5-10%) and usually result only in orgasm abnormalities rather than effecting libio and erection.

I don't know where you'd come up with your theory desu. Crazy people can die from withdrawal of their meds, but a bunch of whiny alcoholics coming off their alcohol... yeah nah

Thanks. My pcp did not warn me on the sides. Much stronger than I anticipated

>also they're (SSRI:s) only as effective as a placebo. congrats on fucking up your life just a little more.

you're a pretty awful person for spreading that bullshit to someone on SSRI's

do you not think that the giant mountain of research done on these medications have included placebo controls?

>I agree for depressio/anxiety meds are a meme. Exercise and therapy are good

medication and therapy have roughly the same solution rate and cover just about the same ground patient-wise

irregardless of which one you pick or are given it is important you try to stick to it as well as you possible can

exercise is good but it is not a substitute for therapy/medication

given the sides you're experiencing i really would recommend you see your doctor for another medication, despite the process of getting onto another SSRI

it's imperative to find one that fits your body without too large sides

Flush it all down the toilet, never take it ever again, and learn to deal with your shit instead of running away from it all by taking shitty pills that make you all passive, ineffectual, and more or less NEUTER. Fucking SSRIs steal the essence of your maleness, turn you into SuperCuckDeluxe. Also, the 'doctor' that convinced you take this shit? Punch him in the mouth, repeatedly, until he falls on the ground and cries for his mommy.

Now, then: Figure out what's fucked up in your life. In Bucket "A" you put the shit you can do something about. In Bucket "B" you put the shit you can do nothing about. Then you do what you can to fix the shit in Bucket "A", and dump Bucket "B" into the trash where it belongs and stop worrying about that shit. Now you've got your shit handled and won't need 'antidepressant' shit anymore. Wasn't that simple?

Real depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain that can't be solved by 'figuring out' what's wrong in your life. Sometimes there's nothing wrong in your life. It's a brain malfunction.

It's not that bad. When I had my last episode of psychotic depression I used it. Slightly worked, I guess. Try Wellbutrin, it makes me as energetic as Adderall alone. I lost 5lbs with Adderall and Wellbutrin, even while taking Seroquel (to counter delusions and hallucinations).

You think independent studies are less reliable than the ones done by drug companies? You can just do them over and over until you get that p

>Adderall and Wellbutrin
You lucky bastard.
>Seroquel (to counter delusions and hallucinations)
Nvm then, Seroquel isn't very fun imo.

I'd love to be 15 again and believe it was all so black and white

I am on no antipsychotics now, though I still use Wellbutrin and Adderall.

I'll see you again at 40, user. It all comes around :)

you're an idiot. ssris don't work, their only real effects are sorts of erectile disfunctions, sometimes it stays for like, even if you get off this shit

nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa065779

Also, some stuff that can really fix depression, unlike to fraud pills:

depression.healthytreatment.org/

in short: omega 3, more omega 3, even more omega 3. Add some cofactors and cut down "easy prize" activity, such as gaming and porn.

>sometimes it stays for like
for life* there are stories about people who tried SSRIs for a week or two 10 years ago and still can't get it hard.

Neuroscience undergrad, working towards psychiatry/mental health work and research. Also on desvenlafaxine.

Go fuck yourselves.

>mfw the majority of burgerstan can't function without behaviour altering drugs
Truly the land of the cucks.

You're complete fucking clown, no surprise your regurgitating /pol/ memes as well.

Thats not true. They do work, ive taken them and thr effects are very pronounced. Its like saying amphetamine doesnt work. It is not effectice in the long term however and not worth the short term sides, not to mention the unpredictable and unkown long term sides.

> please ignore these placebo controlled studies, listen to me instead, I have degree

you are as bad as a gender studies victim

Alcohol withdrawal is unlikely to kill you actually.

Heroin withdrawals now... Those will kill you.

SSRIs are terrible for you m8.

I was a nurse and all the patients that were super fucked up took those shits

this is what I've tried to say - they are as effective as heroin addiction, you'll feel something but it'll wreck your life in the process.

Do you even fucking know what a chemical imbalance is? Or what chemicals are out of balance? SSRI's are entirely shill meds for pharma companies to feed to dumbasses who are too fuckin weak to deal with their first world problems

Most chemical imbalances in the brain are triggered genius, and can be balanced by chemicals that can also be triggered.

Depression is not a real fucking thing. It's a total lack of healthy support structures and coping skills that ultimately help you realize how goddamn trivial your problems are

that pic with a smiley for medication is creepy af

The issue isn't with anti-depressants, it's with reporting of drug study findings.

There are plenty of anti-depressants that work, and have been shown to work for decades.

Not really. Depression is caused mostly by omega 3 deficiency, and you can't fix it with "healthy structures and coping skills". Well, you can't fix it with shill pills either.

yeah, just like crack works. They don't use these "other meds" anymore because their side effects are even more devastating than SSRIs.

>the uneducated tards can't even agree on what treats depression

Please tell me your qualifications in medicine, or research paper analysis

Enlighten me how two basement dwellers with no qualifications have shattered Big Pharma and the collective medical community

Take your findings to the news while you're at it, could literally save hundreds of thousands of lives, since anti-depressants are as useless and damaging as you seem to think.

you know, you can use the same logic for gender studies, right?

We're not talking about gender studies. We're talking about you and your claims.

You're claiming that the medical community is completely wrong on this subject, and that anti-depressants (or just SSRI's? You know there are different classes of anti-depressants, right?) are at best, useless, and at worst, dangerous. Either the medical community hasn't found your discovery, or they're hiding it collectively. Either way, you could easily find a news source to blow the cover to.

This is literally a Nobel-prize winning discovery, and would completely change the entire mental health field of study. So why are you so reluctant to speak out?

you missed my citation, don't you?

I saw your citation, bro. But obviously the world hasn't seen it. With your superior intellect, and knowledge of both mental health and research studies, you've come to a conclusion that an entire area of medicine, with thousands of dedicated doctors, nurses, professors, and researchers, have somehow missed. Now that you point it out, it's all become so clear, I can see that decades of mental health research has been shattered.

When do you go to the world with your news, bro?

...and with this obnoxious argument from authority fallacy you could defend flat Earth theory in the middle ages.

Argument from Authority definition; Using an authority as evidence in your argument when the authority is not really an authority on the facts relevant to the argument.

It's only a fallacy if they're not really authorities on the subject.

But that doesn't matter. I'm agreeing with you. SSRI's (or all anti-depressants?) are placebos. They don't work. They're dangerous. Why are you not telling everyone, and informing the ignorant? Being completelt legit bro, knowing that SSRI's don't really work would change the way everyone views mental health. You'd be known world--wide as a saviour for all those with mental health issues.

doctors, nurses and so on are - in fact - irrevelant to this subject. The only authority in the modern medicine is a placebo controlled study.

It's like using leeches to fix syphilis in the XIX century. They had such blokes as you back then, crying "hahaha, you tard, sure leeches do their work, every doctor and nurse said so, if you believe they don't why don't you tell the world the truth?"

You're still missing the point. I'll put this simply for you, and please respond to this question. Do not stray off topic, please answer.

The majority of people believe that SSRI's are good. You have proof that they are bad for you. Why do you not tell the world that SSRI's are bad?

> (meanwhile in the XIX century)

> The majority of people believe that leches are good. You have proof that they are bad for you. Why do you not tell the world that leeches are bad?

It's a fair point, whether it be leeches or SSRI's. Why are you not using your placebo controlled study and demonstrating that SSRI's are bad?

It was demonstrated already. Anyone past their 15s knows that it's money, not truth that counts.

Why is it that the majority of people in the world don't know this? Why do people take SSRI's if it's apparently so easy to comprehend?

>The majority of people believe that SSRI's are good. You have proof that they are bad for you. Why do you not tell the world that SSRI's are bad?

Not him, but I've been interested in this for a while:
How do I get in touch with "the world"? Do you have its email address? Do I need to make an appointment with its secretary?
Seriously, can you tell me what you imagine this looks like?
The studies have been done. They were done last decade. The science reporters wrote their blurbs. Nobody fucking cared. Mainstream news doesn't like running such negative stories unless there's an action item they can bait listeners with, otherwise it drops their ratings. Both doctors and patients just aren't interested in the facts because "We thought we did but it turns out we don't really have a consistent way to treat this disorder and everything you've experienced on it is placebo and side effect," is frightening, so people ignore it out of desperation. And because 85% of a practicing medical doctor's information about what they should be prescribing comes from pharmaceutical representatives (the people—with NO medical training—paid by the companies that manufacture drugs to push them on doctors).

This is what "telling the world" consists of. A yearly letter to my congress critters telling them that evidence based medicine practice should be a priority, and telling people about it on Sudanese Melon Carving Appreciation forums.

why is the majority of people blue pilled as fuck?
all the information is available on the internet, yet we still have tones of people that happily vote for shillary and other parasytes.

for exactly the same reason why everyone in the islamic countries knows for sure Allah exist, and in European ones they know it's Christ that counts. People are like you, they believe what they are told and are to dense to research.

I don't think I'm getting a response, so I'll sum up my thoughts for OP, or anyone on the fence about taking anti-depressants.

Depression is a complicated illness, with many different causes and types of treatment. Anti-depressants are one type of treatment that can be useful.

SSRI's are a type of anti-depressant (there are multiple types, which try to counteract depression though different mechanisms). They are definitely not placebos, and there are plenty of brands that have been around for decades, and shown to work for many people.

Admittedly, drug companies do have issues with publishing results for new medications. However, this issue is not exclusive to anti-depressant medication, and should not be a worry when thinking of trying anti-depressants. There is no cospiracy to sell sugar pills. Imagine the scale of every doctor, researcher, pharmacy worker, chemist, biologist, and anyone else who works in the pharmaceutical, medical, and mental health industry. There are literally millions of them, with a consensus that anti-depressants are useful. It is ludicrous to imagine that all or most all know they're making bunk pills, or ignorant to them being bunk "as anyone past their 15's should know".

Talk with your doctors about your depression, and discuss if anti-depressants are right for you. Believe it or not, but they're not going to cram pills down your throat. If your doctor doesn't work with you (disagreements on counselling, medication) you have every right to see a new doctor. Depression is a very personalized disease with personalized treatment. Just be sure to talk to your doctor before abrupt changes to medication, as it can be potentially dangerous.

Cont.

>There are literally millions of them, with a consensus that anti-depressants are useful.

>There are literally millions of them, with a consensus that God does exist.

As the anti-depressant (or just SSRI? It was never clarified) deniers will say, do your research. I invite you to do the same. Use your critical thinking skills to determine what you should believe. Just remember that whatever you believe, using these medications is optional, just as is every other area of depression treatment.

Looks like I did get replies lol, oh well, gotta get some rest. I do research working in a lab testing ketamine as a potential anti-depressant. Maybe I'll let you guys know when Big Pharma sends me a cheque for pawning off useless sugar pills to the unsuspecting public :^)

Neuroscience user out.

>Why do people take SSRI's if it's apparently so easy to comprehend?

I'm going to answer you honestly even though I fear that instead of asking legitimate questions, you think you're making arguments.

They take it because their doctors prescribe it; and most countries (but the US in particular) have a strong culture of the expert doctor that knows all and will give you the pill, therapy, treatment, or surgery to make you better (as opposed to full patient involvement and a dialogue in developing a treatment plan that considers all of the patient's needs, informed by, rather than ruled by the doctor's expertise).
And if people never think to question that the popular solution is correct, why would they even begin to research it themselves? It's not as if it's that easy to find the information; there's a reason the FDA approved SSRIs for the treatment of depression, and it involves a lot of careful publication bias. And a funnel plot is easy to understand (and understanding it makes an isoceles triangle shape on a plot of published results stands out as immediate evidence of something fucky) but only if you have some of that basic background in knowledge of science and statistics that most people don't get.

Here's a basic article about the issue from over eight years ago:
badscience.net/2008/01/washing-the-numbers-selling-the-model/

Badscience covered quite a bit of the controversy when it first broke. They have another one about the meta-analysis of the literature, including the funnel plot.