By modern day standards, is he left wing or right wing?

When you think about it, it really isn’t bias. It’s rather straight forward. If you happen to find the left side inferior but identify as a leftist that’s your own hang up. it has nothing to do with the truth of the matter.

While you both bring forward a good point, you failed to adress my question as to where the posted information came from which would potentially help me weigh its validity. I say this considering that I do not view myself as an expert on the subject and would benefit from more information from authoritative sources.

Do your own homework

He would've been hated by the left for being overtly martial and invading foreign lands, while he would be hated by the right for focusing on the issues of the poor average citizens.
His policies were quite fair and middle-grounded, when he gained power he didn't outright punish the aristocracy. He kept them happy while also keeping the people happy. He was however, still a populare, which today would probably be considered populist socialism. However, his populare-status might've been just boasting.
It's probably fair to say that Julius Caesar defies political categorization.

The problem with Caesar is that he didn't really want to make Rome a better place.
The man got a boner from power and glory and he would do anything to achieve it.
>Better first in a village than second in Rome
Overall I would say his policies tended towards left of where the political center of the day was egalitarian land reform and all.
But that doesn't really matter because if he had been a Patrician and not been Marius' son-in-law he probably would have achieved his goals by siding with the conservative faction (they were dominant at the time)
Of course the conservative faction was much more afraid of tyrants than the reformists were so it's likely he never would have gotten very far with them and may have changed sides part way through his career.

Wouldn't he be a left wing authoritarian? Bring assistance to the poor, but do it without democracy and one man rule. Those exist all over the place.

Left-right only exist in context of the time period in regards to change. The more left, the more change, the more right, the less change. A moderate wants change but gradually.

Cicero was conservative, because he preferred the status quo and Caesar was not.

Napoleon + Mussolini = Caesar

He was pretty right wing with his genocide of the Gauls. He was also anti democracy with him usurping the powers of the senate. So it's safe to say he falls within the authorization right wing ideologically

By modern standards every single leader who ever lived was extremely right wing including the fascists pretending to be commies

>genocide

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>"By modern day standards, is he left wing or right wing?"

Nigga was a fascist, thus neither left nor right.

>Cult of Personality
>State control of the heights of industry while still allowing laissez faire on medium to minor businesses.
>Strong focus on the army and militarism
>Wanted to raise the poor at the expense of the ultra rich, but didn't hate the ultra rich.
>Sought unity through violence to end decades of political turmoil brought about by Rome's broken republican system.
>Expansionist, and believed in enriching the state both economically and morally through conquest,
>Basic income (the grain dole) and land redistribution for soldiers through conquest or seizing the land from political opponents.

He belonged to the Reform faction, which in Roman terms made him left wing. In terms of his style, he was a populist, which is an approach typical of would-be tyrants on both sides of the political divide, but his policies were 100% """left wing""", in a Roman context.

If he lived today and had the same exact views, he would be some kind of liberal.

>I can read the minds of long-dead people!

Wow that's amazing, quick, what did my great-grandfather REALLY think about that plastic whale I bought him just before he died?

>what did my great-grandfather REALLY think about that plastic whale I bought him just before he died?
"Fits nicely into my bum"

>durrrrrrrrr da Ceezur wuz an puwor hungary, he dindu cure 4 roam
Is there dumber shit brainlet opinion?

Hahaha, that's Gramps alright! Tell him from me that's he's a cunt, but we miss him.

Caesar was a populares and the senate hated him for his radical reforms to land. The was probably more left than he was right, if you could apply it to today's politics.

>literally ms paint comics but with texts

>fascist
>left nor right.

social democrats is some shit made up by central bankers to make yall stupid af

havin' a laugh m8? how was it not?

more like excel
why does this trigger lefties so much? do they hate looking in a mirror, or does the truth that rightism is more substantive than their caricatures of it bother them?

An additional difficulty, along with the "modern political labels don't match ancient political leanings," is that we know less than we like to imagine we do about what Caesar's actual goals and plans were. We have much more contemporary writings from his career than is the case in most later and earlier generations., but there is still a lot we don't know -- add to that the fact that pretty much everything we have was written with an ax to grind, and the situation becomes even less certain.

>the powers of the Senate
>democracy

Don't confuse modern institutions with ancient ones by the same name.

You aren't presenting any evidence or arguments. You are just cooking up shit and expecting us to swallow.

>spirit
>soul
>transcendence
>logos
>implying everything the right don't like are "instinctual urges", things the right care about are "rational desires"
>marxist strawman is the left
Is that supposed to make the right look bad?

The populares/optimates division can be considered an ancient version of the left/right divide (equality vs hierarchy).

jesus fucking christ

>left is a very esoteric mix of liberal democratic and Marxist values which I’ve never encountered in a real person before
>right is Platonism
ok then

Not left wing, but that doesn't mean right-wing

Roman class system was roughly:
Senatorial
Equestrian
Plebeian
Proletariat
Freedmen
Slaves

Caesar's constituency were proles and plebs (lower class citizens), not freedmen or slaves. Freedmen and slaves were controlled by senators and equites and excluded from the political process.

He was a populist (for citizens) - a modern movement with equivalent dynamics would be something like right-wing populism. This actually fits fairly well with current political dynamics in the US. The new Republican party (Trump on) is becoming less consistent and principled in order to appeal to as many white people as possible. Their opposition is increasingly a coalition of wealthy elites and disparate marginal communities.

He was purely a nationalist

Judging by the responses here he was some sort of mixture of imperial nationalist and conscientious socialist
Wonder what that would make him
Social nationalist?

National Socialist

Well the entire concept of left vs right originated withthe French Revolution
Those who wanted more power for the parliament sat on the left
Those who supported monarchy sat on the right
Being he was an emperor l would say he was certainly right wing

He was Left Wing by Roman standards, a Popularis instead of an Optimatas.

He was authoritarian and militaristic. That would make him right wing by todays standards.

left wing, he was all about gimmedats

Relatively left-wing, objectively right wing.

>Champion of the working class
>Extremely charismatic
>Wants to lock up the corrupt senate

Sounds alt-right to me.

desu this is somewhat true if you consider it. the dude fucking genocided celts like crazy and was a dictator with a massive cult of personality.

Every empire and whatknot was right wing because of privately owned capital.

>Something can't be left-wing if its not communist

To a communist everyone is rightwing

Literally over 99% of humanity is right wing then.

Basically yeah

If you're a retard year.

In his time, he was a left-wing populist authoritarian, but today he would be far-right (ultra-reactionary). That, of course, depends on how much of an ideologue he was: given his political savvy, he would most likely temper his own views to make them socially acceptable.

He was third position, national socialist.

Debate me, I will win.

Arguments for left-wing:
>championed the lower class/working class
>in favour of land distribution
>organised major welfare programs (e.g. grain)
>made deals with wealthy businessmen (Crassus) to get what he wanted, despite supposedly championing the working class

Arguments for right-wing:
>hardcore militarist; viewed war as a means to achieve what he wanted
>very religious (was made the head of the Roman religion)
>valued the military above all else
>was antagonistic towards non-ethnic citizens

Arguments for fascism (of neither left nor right):
>believed firmly in the government having absolute power of citizens "for their own good"
>created a cult of personality around himself

Since the modern views of "left" and "right" didn't exist back then, it's a valid answer to say that Caesar was neither left nor right, but in a political category of his own (indeed that's how he wanted it; he was his own man, totally beyond the understanding of the vast majority of people around him).

>right wing hate helping the poor
He’s helping Roman citizens and veterans, not filthy border hopping Celtiberians (who are probably still loyal to Carthage)

>plebs were excluded from politics

Either you're a retard for not knowing plebs could vote or you're a retard for lacking reading comprehension. I can't quite decipher which one.

>Ethical state