Not sure if this is the right place to talk about this...

Only domestic education can ensure conditions for that, public education is extremely shallow, mediocre and retarded.
You can spend all your money on private schools that are slightly better, but really, it won't ever get close to the home education. It's just that somehow teaching you own children is considered to be criminal in most of the world.

The ability to choose what public school you send your child to. As opposed to being forced to send them to the nearest school.

>We have come to a point in human civilization where society must take up raising of individuals as oppose to leaving it up to parents.

You know what´s even more alarming than standard American education? American mental health. This doctrine is bound to expand the quantity of headpills your average American gobbles.

Also raise your own crops, fix your own car, cut your own hair..
We have professionals for everything, education should not be an exception.
There are very good educational systems that are public look at Finland for example.

You are either a teacher or have never tired teaching kids. Its very hard and you need training to do it well and quick.

Not exactly sure what you want to fix. That doesn't mean it's fine, but you have to be more specific.

Listen you faggots I learned about the fucking Hapsburgs, don't give me shit I will fucking own you.

Sorry, I just picked a pic at random.

>We have come to a point in human civilization where society must take up raising of individuals as oppose to leaving it up to parents.

American society is like a lab experiment anyway.
Crazed people in a rat race stepping on each other's head basing their entire society on an outdated understanding of humans and the role they play or dont play in their actions and failures.
Is it a wonder that in a society that puts the choices of the individual on a pedastal the amount of prisoners is the highest in the world or that the conditions in jails are terrible and include constant murders and sexual assaults.

Americans still deep down think there is some "you" with a soul that is able to make descisions in a way that is detached fomr the physical conditions of reality and thus your choice if good is worthy of the highest praise and it is you who is the sole entity to be praised for your success and the same obviously for failure. Those that fail are brought down to the lowest pits and those that succeed are elevated to the status that most kings in earlier periods could only dream of.

It is disgusting but it is a form of societal structuring and control that is able to wield the most strength through mental subjugation of its own people and of people in other societies.

Dunno about the rest of the US but in Puerto Rico the education is under the dept of education which is very, very pro "commonwealth" (aka pro colony cuckholdry) as a result history is pretty much summed up as
>Tainos living here
>Spaniards arrive
>Slavery bad M'kay
>US Revolutionary War
>US civil War
>WWI mentioned only
>WWII
>?????
Very little of the history of PR is taught, and what is taught is a very light, pro colony, pro Muñoz Marin history that paints him as some sort of holy savior that took on the burden of being the first governor. Literally all the history of PR that I know is because I started to look up what happened during certain years because the schools don't teach you it and if they do, as I said before it's a very revisionist version that barely makes sense.
What could be done about it? reform the education dept in PR and bring in people that know history to make a better history program that teaches aspects of Puerto Rican history so that I don't have people saying
>Albizu campos was a fascist communist!
You don't want to know the pain I feel whenever someone says shit like that, user.

heh, it's fine, those /pol/acks...gonna be sure

Cool, could you explain what the fuck was wrong with Julius Ceasar?

What do you think feminism is? Behind it stands the idea that we must abandon the male female differences or we must compensate for them through rules and laws. This includes pregnancy and indeed directly and indirectly women are postponing or giving up child birth completely in advanced countries in bigger and bigger numbers. If we keep this up nobody in the future will want to raise kids and it will be a huge burden to allow a natural change in population. It will have to be planned out. Do you think people will somehow by themselves manage to keep childbirth at an exact and convenient number? Of course not.
And education and its quality is very strongly tied up with the quality of education since the more kids the less a society can afford per child.

You can rage but all arrows are pointing towards this.

Part of it is that teaching doesn't pay very well, provides little opportunity for research and publication, you have to deal with literal retards and the worst things about children all day, and the job severely restricts your social life to an extent that teachers get fired all the time for being photographed holding a wine glass or smoking a cigarette on weekends. Varies by state, but the job requirements often mandate close to or the same amount of education as a PhD or MA. When looking at all that, most people that would be great teachers say "fuck this" and decide to try getting a position as a professor instead.

In addition all the violence, sex, backstabbing and anything else lurid or controversial in history gets cut out because most schools are terrified of waking up to find Fox News on their front lawn because some parent caused a shitstorm. It leads to incredibly bland and watered down narratives of names and dates devoid of nuance that bore the kids and the instructor to death.

I'm an American living in the mainland. I don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about and you are technically my fellow country.

Shit's fucked user, shit's fucked real good.

Honestly, starting serious History education at a lower level of schooling. I don't think I even truly had History classes until 6th grade.

The only reason I had any historical knowledge before the age of 10 was because of my elementary school's gifted program.

^fellow countryman.
Sorry about that.

You've misspelled Julius Caesar.

What else do you really need to know about the man?

>We have come to a point in human civilization where society must take up raising of individuals as oppose to leaving it up to parents.

Yeah, that's gonna be a no from me, tovarisch.

Assuming we're talking about K-12 public education:
>what is wrong with history education
In terms of pedagogy, the curriculum is completely absent of any discussion of critical thinking skills or basic historiography. It's fine to give elementary students a basic, nationalist narrative, but teenagers should really learn about how to analyze a source and think critically. This is especially important now that the internet has made it so easy for people to access bullshit. Public educations shouldn't be indoctrination for factory workers anymore, people need more skills to help them process the ridiculous amount of information they're exposed to now.

Also, history is taught mostly around memorization, which makes most students lose interest. It doesn't matter how good a lesson is if no one cares. Students should actually want to care about learning history.

>how could we fix it?
The scientific method is already taught in science classes, so introduce something similar in history classes. As far as the interest issue, focusing more on ideas and trends instead of memorizing people and dates would help.

He was the biggest psycho I've heard about throughout my history classes. Seriously what the fuck was wrong with that dude and how much shame did he brought upon his family?

>not him
He had a great mind, but in a very personal, greedy and ego centrist sense of the word - good tactician, genius businessmen,a horrid politician and a worthless human bean - he became a reason for an uncountable amount of shit that flied after him throughout human history

> good tactician, genius businessmen

You know we were talking about Hapsburgs, right?

Our system is probably the best in the world.
We churn out a shit ton of people for lower class - middle class jobs that are content doing them and our higher class is better then everyone else on the planet.

Go to a 3rd world country if you think Americans are dumb. That shit is just a meme

God, even the Nazi toilet plungers were bombastically over engineered into magnificence. Look at the size of that Wehrmacht plummer's toilet plunger. How did they loose that war, I will never understand.

I had kind of the opposite experience. We started history in 4th grade; 4th and 5th grade was US history, and 6th was world history, including ancient history. In junior high, I got put into an honors program that was supposed to include history and English, but the teacher completely focused on English, and I had pretty much no history until AP classes in high school.

From what I head from friends, it sounded like the normal classes were pretty much repeating the elementary school stuff, only with more focus on the 20th century in high school.

I don't know why. But the idea of Germans needing HEAT toilet plungers made me laugh really hard.

Thank you user.

In my experience, critical thinking stuff only happened in English classes, since those were the only classes where we did real research.

What kind of critical thinking did you get in English classes? I don't think I remember any of that happening.

Mainly just interpreting sources for papers and going over stuff about how to find good, reliable information, and looking for bias in sources.
Several of my English classes involved simple debates, as did my Oral Communication class in high school.

We didn't do any of that in my English classes. It was mostly just going over writing conventions and discussing assigned works, even in the AP classes. In fact, I don't think I ever had to write anything that required sources (besides a textbook) until college.

Judging by how many other people were confused about why the couldn't cite blogs in my college intro classes (and other intro classes I've had connections to), I'm assuming my experience wasn't completely atypical.

As a former teacher in Texas, one of the things I could recommend would be the removal or change of implementation of standardized testing. The federal government attempted to equalize standards across all schools by implementing a national or state standardized test that quizzes students on specific topics. Teachers and schools are given explanations on what these topics are beforehand, and students pass/fail based on their success on the standardized test.

What winds up happening in practice is schools feel pressure to have as many students ace the test as they can, so they put pressure on teachers to ensure the students do well on it. Teachers take this fear of being fired due to low test scores and spend 95% of the year drilling students on things that will be on that exam at the expense of all topics not required for it. Since the test entirely encompasses only the most basic knowledge of Math, Science, English, and History, students only get trained in the most basic knowledge of Math, Science, English, and History, and they're drilled relentlessly at it.

I get that the state/fed wants a tool to measure the capability of students at each public school and thus invents a metric to do so, but when that metric becomes the end all, be all of a student's career, that student is being denied a better education. If anything, keep the standardized test, but force the results to anonymize so that the state can only get a good grasp on the overall value of education within it, or perhaps don't release test scores publicly for individual schools.

The biggest issue with the public education system in the US compared to Europe is that the lowest echelon of students is left entirely beret of a more worldly amount of knowledge, instead only receiving basic literacy and math skills, and this lower echelon makes up a large part of the population. Better students are often sent to special classes within schools which have an expanded curriculum (Or more often now given the chance for early college courses), so they're usually less affected by a poor school situation outside of shitty inner city schools, but a lot of students are pretty much a write off for the administration which has zero incentive to actually school them beyond the minimum amount.

Also, not to go full /pol/, but I have a feeling Europe will start seeing similar issues as the US eventually, as one of the other causes of this expanded class of poorly educated students is through a large cultural divide in the attitudes of students. Lower classes of people tend to be less enfranchised with the idea of learning in a school system, opting for traditional "vassalage" style training towards a specific skillset rather than a broad knowledge of various subjects. A student that doesn't want to help themselves is impossible to meaningfully teach since they're opposed to the idea of learning in the first place.

I am pretty opposed to the idea of homeschooling children as the entity of their education since like you said, you're not going to have the same grasp on a broad array of subjects as a specialist in every field would, but I think the user is more saying that education should be continued at home, not supplant public education entirely. It's pretty common that people are reliant on state education for all of their childrens' learning and offer no additional training, which is something that absolutely needs to be addressed.

Even if the parent themselves is unable to train the kid themselves, an afterschool tutor or similar could be engaged to ensure that their child is getting SOME additional education beyond the bare minimum of a public school.

The issue is that teenagers think history is boring as fuck. With video games being popular among high schoolers, I’d be interested in seeing a class tought with a game like EUIV being used, I think it would get students to understand politics and religious differences more. Unrealistic, but interesting imo

Try to explain them that assasins were actually called Nizari Ismailis and they were not a roof-jumpers wearing hoods, also that they don't have anything to do with American War of Independence.
It can be productive on the entry level but once it is time for more serious levels, most of them will still get bored and abandon it as fast as they got interested.
But I admit, at least it got some potential.

The reality is a teacher can only do so much when a class is 40+ students

Nuking America because all of its education is terrible. Just look at their spelling and grammar "ability" online.

And doesn't know much or care about history themselves.