WW2

*If* they had attacked in accordance with the Halder plan, they would have 1 million troops to surround moscow in a double envelopment.

That sounds risky as hell, assuming it could even be pulled off. And even then, they probably couldn't hold on to it for long.

Which "Halder plan" are you referring to? There were multiple plans created before and during Barbarossa, often with numerous variations, and as Chief of Staff, Halder was quite important in most of them.

They had improvised ones

yeah it would be so ebin seeing everyone your age die over the course of the war until you, somehow alive at the end of it, are left with crippling survivors guilt and ptsd after living through the closest thing to hell.

soviet soldiers didn't had ptsd since they're not soyboy cucks like americans
after the war, most settled down, rebuilt what was destroyed and enjoyed life in socialist utopia

Nah, you'd be a young man, a war hero, in a country that had almost 1.5 women for each man because the losses were disproportionately male. You'd be too busy drowning in pussy to wallow in survivor's guilt.

Oh boy it's this faggot again

>attacking Moscow during winter
When will they learn?

If the German army plan for the invasion had continued to function, one can estimate AGC would have launched its final drive to Moscow on or about 12 August; and gone on to seize that city, in a double envelopment(similar to those earlier at Minsk and Smolensk), by September.

However, Hitler ordered his Generals to first destroy 55 Soviet Divisions (850,000 men) still holding out in Kiev.

As it was, Operation Typhoon advanced over 200 km, from Smolensk to the Mozhaisk Defense Line, in 11 days. Of these, only the first 5 days had good weather — the infamous Rasputitsa rains began on 7 October, and the German advance soon slowed to a crawl.

Using these numbers,had Operation Typhoon begun on 12 August, the Germans would have reached Moscow on 5-7 September — long before the Rasputitsa began (7 Oct), and too long before Red Army reserves from the Far East arrived (5 Dec).

>AGC can immediately attack without spending any time regrouping after Smolensk
>it's a good idea to leave a million men on a massive overextended flank
How many threads will you shill your retarded ideas in before you realize you're wrong?

Incompetent strategists. The same reason they never had a chance at winning.

>rape women of all ages all the way to Berlin and become a sexual deviant
>come back to settle down in your Socialist shithole, can't rape anymore or tovarishch Borislav shoots you so you're stuck with your shitty subhuman wife
Yep, sounds like fun.

You still got plenty of Polish occupied land to rape. If that doesn't work just settle down with one of those qt3.14 female snipers or pilots.

>ywn be a soldier in the Red Army
>ywn liberate Auschwitz
>ywn come across a emaciated yet still cute Jewish girl who's still in a daze at the fact she survived all this, wearing a little scarf, just like the babushka your grandmother wore before she starved to death in the winter of '41
>ywn be reminded of your sweetheart back in Leningrad who died nearly two years ago
>ywn become hard beyond imagining
>ywn hold her down and violently rape her
>ywn leave her crying at both the violation and the fact this is the closest thing to an intimate experience she's had since she came to this terrible place
>ywn go on to march to Berlin, defeating the hated Fascist Reich once and for all
>ywn have your way with dozens of German women and girls
>ywn pass through Auschwitz again on the way back home after being discharged from the Army
>ywn come across the same girl, who while still frail, now has a swollen stomach, further accentuated by her malnutrition
>it's your baby she's got inside of her
>ohshit.jpg
>ywn be overcome with a sudden sense of guilt at what you did
>ywn realize even those Mother Russia triumphed, your family is dead, your home is probably ruins, and that you've really got nothing to go back to
>ywn realize the same is true for her
>ywn apologize for what you did to her ask her to come back to Russia with you, promising to do your best to take care of her and the baby, it's the one thing you can actually fix
>ywn be overjoyed when she accepts

feelsbadman

These erotic Holocaust fantasies are really starting to get out of hand...

Anyone knows if the USSR had a rape epidemy after the war ? I don't believe that males who kept raping every woman they met including concentration camp survivors could just go back to their old lives after the war and enjoy vanilla sex.

I don't know if there's any statistics to back it up, I think it's just the general idea that there already tends to be a lot of rape when an army comes through an area, and when it's pissed off Soviets who have lost millions of their own people, many of whom were civilians, they're probably not gonna hold back.

What I want to know is how many women who survived Auschwitz gave at least one blowjob (either by consent or coercion) to Russian soldiers within a month of liberation.

Must've been a great time to be a Red Army soldier if you liked getting your dick sucked by every flavor of woman from Jew, to Czech, to Pole, to Gypsy, to Ukrainian, to Western European.

>within a month
Nigga, within a month they probably regained their weight just from all the cum they've been swallowing.

Are you the same guy who thought that the Roslavl–Novozybkov Offensive involved the SW front?

Have you come up with what you're going to do in the face of considerably stronger Soviet defenses if such an offensive never materializes?

How are you going to reconcile this plan with the problems that Halder noticed in his diary on August 10th, namely poor intelligence and poor assessment of Soviet resilience lead to fatally flawed strategy? history.army.mil/html/books/104/104-21/cmhPub_104-21.pdf (Pdf page 63),

How do you propose to embark on an even more grandiose offensive when your own people think you are overextended and need to watch out for counterattacks?

>After one month of fighting, the effective strength of then German infantry divisions had been reduced by approximately 20 percent and that of the panzer and motorized infantry divisions by 50 percent
Holy fucking shit

Just imagine being Private Ivanov and having those broken and emotionally damaged women to chose from. Literally everything from 12 year old Jewish girls to 70 year old Babushkas (or both) to have slobbering on your knob to show their gratitude.

>only possible because of Hitler
Heh, maybe he wasn't such a bad guy after all.

Probably a great time to have extremely degenerate fetishes too.

If you're into scat, shit-stained Bergen-Belsen broads who haven't seen a toilet in months will be heaven to you.

Imagine being a Sgt. Petrov with a pregnancy fetish, breaking into a Lebensborn birth house and fucking all the ready to pop Aryan women.

But then forces that weren't destroyed at Kiev come crashing into Army Group Center's right flank.

That film was really depressing. Glad such a shitstorm of massive proportions will never happen again.

Thats if you discount AGS fighting the russians flank

explain

...

Not him, but the past few weeks there's been this one doofus who keeps insisting that the Germans would have won the war in the east if they had ignored Kiev and held straight course for Moscow. To "support" this, he cites literally who Nigel Askey ad nauseum, ignores every other historian in existence, and displays gross ignorance as to the reality of the Eastern Front.

My most recent interaction of this autist involved at least a 10 post on each side exchange where he kept insisting that a counterattack by the forces around Kiev would be ineffective at halting Army Group Center, while I kept telling him that this was literally irrelevant to the point I was making and talking about the Bryansk front.

I think that's in front of the Palata Albanija
still looks like that today

Russia was supposed to be defeated in 6 weeks. When the generals realized that it would take longer than expected and tried to have winter uniforms and boots sent from Germany, On direct orders from Hitler their requests were denied. Also directly ordered not to surrender or retreat. These are the reasons why the Germans were ass raped by Russia and the war itself was lost.

Okay matey.

This board is turning into /b/ with the sexual depravity.

Ottomans?

They invaded in summer because they never expected to be there in winter.

history and humanity is filled with sexual depravity

Those weren't arguments. Slave are subhumans and are nothing when compared to the Aryans

I doubt it that a lot of russian soldiers made it all the way to berlin when they started in barbossa.
If anyone made that it mustve been an epic feeling.
But imagine being some 18 year old german guy sitting in a frozen wasteland with no prospect of ever winning or going home in one piece.

He actually calls it liberation what the soviets did.
Unbelievable.

I had no idea the building was that old. It looks like standard post war commie brutalist architecture.

>Germany lost the battle of Moscow

Is there amy event in history wors3 than this?

This is the brain of a leftie. Jesus christ man.

Yanks not keeping the war going and pushing back the actual enemy in the war, communism.

Are you one of those that thinks Soviet union installed puppet regime in 1945 in Czechoslovakia?

Slavs are Aryans unlike Germs.

almost NONE of them that were serving in 1940 even made it to 43, much less 45

>soviets dindu nuffin

>not answering the question