Can you get social gains like you do with physical gains?

Had this convo with my friend today.

>Be me, got out of 3 year old relationship, both parents died this year and she wasn't supportive at all so i ditched her.
>She was my first gf ever(28 years old) and i spent nearly all my time with her or working out(much to her dismay) , alienated nearly all my friends
>Now i'm in a dry spell and i literally do nothing all day but go to work and work out, count calories and sleep hours autistically etc
>Be pretty shredded as a result
>Naturally i expect 4 and 5/10 women to flock to me, in fact i expect to work a bit to bang a 6 which is better than my previous gf
>My friend tells me that my ex was way too pretty for me and i have to aim even lower to get experience
>I tell him that's a no go because i don't work out all day to bang a landwhale, i want to bang normal looking women( i never aimed nor will aim for anything above a 7 because i'm autistic as shit)
>He tells me that he was horrible with women like me and in fact all the guys i see banging women left and right are dyel chubby fuckers with low income, and the fact they get laid a lot with nice women is because they have fucked hundreds of hogs beforehand


What do you think? Is he right? Does your game improve if you fuck hogs? I can't bring myself to do it. In fact lately i don't even have sexual urges, i don't even fap because i'm too tired from working out all day. If i fap i'll fap to something disgusting like piss porn .

>tfw no girlfriend
>tfw no friends

Just fuck them all

I also didn't have friends when i was younger, what i did was study on subjects normies talk about like cars and sports and pretend i was interested in them, and of course work out to become stronger than them, there is no way you won't have friends if you are strong as fuck.

Now women on the other hand, i can't help you with that.

It's actually somewhat true. Nobody needs to know you bang a few 2's. Women are territorial creatures, they produce pheromones during sex that don't wash off all too easy. That mixed with your own pheromones makes a crazy aphrodisiac cocktail of chemicals in the brain saying you are "desirable". Since women are primal creatures like men, they dont understand why they find you attractive.

This is why when you are single, women pay little attention to you. But when you have a GF the women are more likely to check you out and be attracted to you. This is all due to their nature to want a male that has already proven he is desirable by some. Also it means he is more likely to produce offspring.

Remember: we are animals alike, natural pheromones beat out, aesthetics, genetics, logic in our minds.

Humans don't operate on pherormones you huge autist

I have also banged prostitutes a lot and i advise you lot against it, it's a complete waste of money and i could never even get it up fully because i knew that the bitch wasn't into me at all and was just riding me to get it done with. Just don't. You have to have extremely low intelligence to enjoy fucking prostitutes, i'm talking nigger -tier IQ

The biggest problem is modern society teaching women that they are entitled to 8-9 guy even if they are 4 -5 themselves and thus they can reject anyone they want all day and still get laid. They should be grateful anyone is hitting on them(hell a guy that gets hit on by a girl is probably ecstatic for days after) , but they believe they are entitled to super alpha chad.

Nah man you can skip the 'experience' part if you know your shit. But considering you are autismal and probably don't know how to 'get' women then you should aim lower and work your way up.
A lot of times below average and average girls are really fun to be around, so don't miss out if you can

>He tells me that he was horrible with women like me and in fact all the guys i see banging women left and right are dyel chubby fuckers with low income, and the fact they get laid a lot with nice women is because they have fucked hundreds of hogs beforehand
Lol what a load of shit, hes clearly trolling you to waste your time on ugly chicks.

But i already did that. My girlfriend was a 5/10, is that really so fucking high? I'm not bad looking, i have a steady job , a house, a car , why the fuck can't i get at least a normal woman who takes semi care of herself(my ex was a bit fat but she took care of her hair / nails etc)?

Does number of girls fucked really count? I am leaving humanity behind completely then, i refuse to bang a 2-3/10 and since i'm old i'll die alone.

Then you should aim for 7s or 8s. You sound like a guy who has his shit together. Maybe your friend was just jelly.
One more thing, how tall are you?

I also asked him if he actually enjoys going out at bars and shit and he tells me of course he doesn't, nobody does, they just have to do it to get laid. I thought i was the only one that thought like that.

He is engaged and soon to be married now but he has fucked a lot of women , i know them personally. He is tall, chubby and hairy as shit. And the women he has banged aren't bad looking at all(except a couple), and the top women he fucked are 8/10 at least.

I am the king of manlets at 1.80 cm but girls in my country (med country) aren't tall like northern euros.

I don't even want a 7 or and 8. I want a chubby girl like my ex. But apparently that's way too high for me because i have 0 game. It really pissed me off because we had some women in this convo and they wouldn't stop criticising about how hard i diet and excersise and keep repeating how much they hated muscled guys, which i know is sour grapes speaking but it still pissed me the fuck off.

>humans don't operate *solely* on pheromones

fix'd. there is credibility to human pheromones, albeit years of technology, society, chemical perfumes and predominately, linguistic communication have rendered them all but useless.

t. M.S Evolutionary Biology & medslave

WHEN ARE THESE BETA LOSER THREADS GOING TO BE STOPPED???

This interests Veeky Forums. We need to understand if you can train to be more social like you can train to improve your deadlift.

fuck your friend in the ass,it will have 2 effects
1.you will establish dominance over him
2.you will get out of the dry spell
thank me later OP

That's decent height.
Practice your gamw with as many girls as you can, you are a smart guy, you'll probably get good quickly.
Protip: Don't debate or discuss anything with women, the general vibe must be fun most of the time. Let them say whatever they want, it doesn't matter most of the time

Never said its the only thing we work on. But its a more primal instinct that has been used in perfumes and Colognes. But the synthetic version do little to nothing compared to natural pheromones. The Colognes and perfumes are supposed to compliment your natural "musk" it still doesn't render pheromones useless. Also low lighting causes dilation of pupils which also subtle but effective way to make yourself appear a tad more attractive. These are things that help when everything else is on par. I.e. smell, hair, teeth, clothes, etc. Etc.

I know what women say doesn't matter, in fact what i've improved on my self is i talk to women that are 'part of the group' like i talk with my male friends, i have 0 interest in impressing them and openly talk about porn or sports or videogames or whatever the fuck i want.

I can't imagine myself making moves on a girl. I went out 2 days ago and there were 2 girls sitting all by themselves and my friends said 'how the fuck did you not make a move on them'? I mean how the fuck do you do that, you ignore the ear deafening music and say HI real loud?

And the other thing that worries me is that i get literally 0 boners the last month even though i don't fap. I just don't think about sex at all. I just think about what workout i'm gonna do next and if i'll succeed at the UDT school i wanna go . And the thing is that due to buereocratic fuckery i may not be able to join it ever and then all the working out will be in vain.

what's important is that your mouth doesn't smell, after i quit smoking i smell like strawberries

Yes, I cured my autismo by working at a hospital in a position where I was forced to talk to people for 10 hours a day. But I quit that job a few months ago and the autismo has slowly crept back into my life

>He's 1.8 cm

I don't have crippling autismo. Most people i meet like me but i can't get women for the life of me. It fucking annoys me because i see chubby stupid fuckers with gfs that aren't literally 1/10 and i wonder where the fuck they draw confidence from when they look like shit and aren't rich

I'm starting to believe that this 'personality' is being so stupid that you can't recognise your flaws and hence aren't insecure

>1.8cm
>decent height
>1.8
>cm
>NOT M
>CM
>CENTIMETERS

Well, spending a lot of time talking to people you end up being good at talking. So talking to a girl you like is a lot more natural. But to be honest I feel like "charm" is learned by your father figure growing up. Dad's charming af and now I am in turn

must be a turkroach

Back in college I was the funny guy, now at my job I only email and talk to friends after work, I drop more spaghetti now.
Wonder if I can try to go out and train talking. Where is the talking gym? People at pubs have their friends so you can't just run up and start a conversation

Op here will getting a motorcycle help me get women?

No. Don't get a motorcycle to try to pick up women. At best, you'll look like a douche, at worst you'll die trying to lane split on the highway

You're friends ideas will lead to the downfall of western relationships imo. You should only have sex with women you're attracted to, physically first than emotionally later because the whole point of relationships is to find someone you can marry. Having sex with ugly women will only lower your self-esteem and give you weird ideas about sex. Keep on trying to be with women you find attractive, falling 20 times and succeeding once will boost your ego and if the relationship is successful, might mean a long term relationship for you in the future.

>guys i see banging women left and right are dyel chubby fuckers with low income, and the fact they get laid a lot with nice women is because they have fucked hundreds of hogs beforehand

If you have pride based on your achievements i don't see why you need all the "confidence" from fucking hogs. Any sort of confidence based on fucking low self-esteem 4/10s is built on a house of cards imo. These dyel banging women, are they women with, a poor family life, low self-esteem, alcoholism, etc. A degenerate banging another degenerate shouldn't concern you . Note that every time these women are fucked and dumped by a dyel loser, they fall one level deeper into being psychologically unstable.

>got a gf
>alienated all my friends
you deserve to be alone, fuck you and people like you
yes im salty

I want to add too that you should reassess your goals, your mindset is, how do I fuck girls? When it should be, how can I become a chad? Becoming a confident person who gets girls naturally will be way more rewarding than someone who has to rely on pua tricks and the emotional baggage of fucking a million fatties

I can not emphasize enough how right this post is.

Yes. You can learn social habilities just as any hablility. Go to youtube and search for charisma on command, it is a good introduction to developping social skills. I'm taking acting lessons when i find a good class.

This is why I date men instead of women.
T-Thanks Veeky Forums.

Stupidity breeds a certain kind of confidence imo I think most women see past it when they hit their mid 20s, but by then it's too late. I think a lot of highschool pregnancies are from girls thinking, if he's really aggressive and seems sure of himself he'll be super successful in life, even though most of those traits are from being retarded.

But i can't become a chad, it's too late. I do not have an attractive face, i lost my virginity at 18 with a prostitute and i don't like being around people.

All i want is to workout, do martial arts, shoot guns and play videogames.

The problem with all those self help videos is that they are made by americans for americans.

I can't use these lines or whatever on girls here, they behave really different than americans(funny thing is that when i visited america girls loved me)

Being a beta in a third world country is fucking suffering

>don't like being around people
>one of your hobbies is literally wrestling on the ground with people

idk OP, if i could recommend a book to you, try and find a copy of "The Road to Emotional Maturity" by Abrahamsen. Also, check out the movie "The Pervert's guide to Idealogy"

The fact that your on this site, while also being an introvert probably means you have some emotional problems you need to work out, which may be holding you back.

I recently watched the Pervert's guide and it really lit a fire under me to change my life in the correct manner, it might do the same for you.

Also, I'm using the word chad in a weird way. I'm saying that you should be trying to change you personality in a more positive way and not solely for fucking women. The fact that you don't have many friends is the first thing you should address before even thinking about a girlfriend.

How many friends is enough friends? I can always go out on a friday night, i have people available.

8 FRIENDS CMON

How did that film help you specifically?

Ive watched clips of zizek, didn't really understand his points. I might be a pleb

You're a normie, reeeeeee
get off my board

>tfw zero friends
> never gone out on a Friday night
>tfw now too old to go out

Thing is you have to be literally 9/10 as a man to get women to approach you, yes even 5/10s won't approach you if you are any lower, and that's an impossible goal for like 99.5 % of the male population. Also if you are 9/10 you wouldn't be on Veeky Forums in the first place but that's obvious.

Thing is that it's 100% luck for most men. You can check lists off all you want but women are fucking moronic and don't pick mates according to their qualities but pick them based on whatever their cunt is itching for at the moment.

>the reason why taken men are more attractive is that females sense other females' pheromones that stuck to man's body during sex

Kek, I hope this is a joke. Kys if not

Download tinder bro, your self esteem will shoot through the roof

>OP had no gf until 25
>settled for a 5/10 unsupportive chubster
>spent "all the time" with her except for working out
>alienated all his friends for her
>now is on a dryspell and afraid to even TRY to pickup very attractive women even though he has height, muscles and money
>makes a long elaborate post on an anime imageboard asking for advice

Sorry OP, you sound like a total bitchboy right now. Its time you step up your game by any means necessary, chatting up not-so-attractive women sounds terrible but it will most likely increase your confidence and overall comfort with new women.

take zinc for boners

Go to support groups, they will forgive your spaghetti as long as you pretend to have cancer.

>t. Robert Paulson