Is the world inevitably progressing towards a one world government?
I mean, if you look throughout history empires have often been limited in the amount that they could control by the technology of their time, the Romans could not expand any further than they did because it was simply not feasible to govern such a vast region. But as technology and society advances, and as economic and cultural globalization grows, will there eventually come a point where one nation can feasibly rule the world (and thus by Murphy's law eventually a nation would succeed in ruling the world)? We've already made strong progress towards that goal, Russia and the USA rule over far vaster amounts of land and greater amounts of people than the Roman Empire ever could.
The trend has been AWAY from large empires and into smaller states. Economically linked smaller states, yes, but independent states nonetheless.
In 1914 there like a dozen countries that ruled the vast majority of the Earth.
Samuel Jackson
bump
Adrian Walker
This. We'll be divided yet linked due to globalization. if anything we'll see a more fragmented future with more micro-states.
Gavin Cooper
Eh. But that state of affairs only lasted for a few hundred years - less than that, really. It's more like there was a little blip, a historical anomaly, where the world was ruled by a handful of Great Powers, before returning mostly to normal.
That's not to say that we're headed towards a one-world government. I don't think there are really any trends at all.
Mason Jackson
I fucking hope not.
Imagine Merkel as one of the world leader(s). Holy fuck.
Nolan Reed
>Is the world inevitably progressing towards a one world government?
There are two options. 1. We stay on earth, don't leave our planet ---> one world government 2. We colonize other planets, maybe even travel to other solar systems. ---> anything can happen
Oliver Green
cant work, too many factions, too many conflicting interests, not enough Earth
Austin Fisher
No, and that would be a disaster. You think the USSR was authoritarian? Nazi Germany? Hell, the USA? A world-government would make all three of those look like libertarian paradises.
Chase Long
Unless there's an external threat, we will fragment and fight each other. It's always been like this and it's in humanity's nature. Why would people flood into recruiting stations and even lie about their age just to go to war for their nation? We need something to be hostile against to unite us.
And then there are numerous issues if a world government is established. Why must we be ruled by this government? We're not in danger, and I'll rather serve my region or culture because it's the world we see around us. Not the world we could see from space.
Kevin Hernandez
Anything having to do with colonization of other planets not in our solar system would break any united government.
There is just no point in centralization when your colony is even a light year ahead. 2 whole years to get a response whenever you ask about something.
If humanity will master the ability to reach near c velocities we could technically colonize the farthest reaches of the galaxy in the lifetime of a single colonist, but those missions would need to rely only on themselves because that single colonist will live through god knows how many generations on earth.
Carson Ward
cont.
Technology and globalism has helped us to create a possibility of a world government. However, we have no reason to do so. Our world has worked as fragmented nations united under trade and diplomacy and we have continued to prosper under the greatest peace our world has ever seen. Only extraordinary measures like the outbreak of a third world war, an incurable plague or scarce resources would break this status quo.
Of course, all of this is without taking into account a possible human expansion into the Solar System. Then, things can change. Maybe the UN could gain importance as everything outside of Earth is deemed the common heritage of all mankind. And who else represents all of mankind?
Or maybe not, and this could be repealed. Corporations and nations scramble for their piece of the Solar pie, and before you know it, conflict rears its ugly head in. Maybe these new territories secede and form their own nations, a new UN is created to encompass the entire Solar System, and the cycle continues.
Who knows really. A lot of shit can happen.
Blake Turner
>One huge globalist government melting pot from which you can't just run away from I'd rather this planet falls into mindless anarchism then make it one big Global Merkel State which cuts your dick off because of wrong think which government finds wrong, unless you personally support this global governments political stance...
Christopher Morgan
Fuck no
Cooper Adams
>Wanting entire earth to become the EU. God no...
Dominic Powell
I was thinking more like it would become the USA, but with each nation as a "state". Or fuck it, just centralize the whole damn thing under one benevolent AI dictator.
Daniel Cooper
Reagan mentioned an outside threat that unifies. That's generally the trend and why we live in bipolar/dualism/bipartisan world. So sects that unify. There's a few ATM. And they all have equivocal GDP. OIC, EU, five eyes, BRICS. I dunno how you unify and integrate them into cohesive frameworks, short of going through war.
As for tech, the deep government or whatever is far more advanced then you probably know in terms of influencing and monitoring things. At all places. At all times.
There is a lot of old stockpiles that will need to be used before there is adequate reason to build, and from such boom, anew (aks, aircraft carriers, sentiment etc).
Neither capitalism nor socialism can stop the progress of globalism.
John Sanchez
Oh, well that makes more sense.
Sebastian Morris
considering the general inability of NGOs (UN, NATO etc) and large countries (US, Russia, China etc) to enforce or do anything properly I hope not imagine what a bureacratic, corrupt hell hole a one world government would be, and how incapable of enforcing laws or administerting punishment it would be without going full Judge Dredd
Jason Barnes
that's what rampant genetic engineering is for
Lucas Smith
>Is the world inevitably progressing towards a one world government? you have struck bedrock. 1WG is the ending configuration. all politics is posturing to install your ruling clique. examine political developments within this framework, particularly the reaction to hillary's defeat. it all makes sense now, doesn't it?
Brandon Taylor
globalism is boomers committing suicide. Kill them, globalism dies.
Jason Baker
all that's needed is a common currency, unified military, single common market (stock and commodity) and UN control of petroleum at the wellhead. there will be a universal carbon tax payable to UN or rolled into energy prices.
Zachary Smith
>we produce faster than we can think
and today we generate and process information faster than we can think, so its either our thinking has become redundant or the rate of process has gone beyond anything humanely usable, or maybe both
Carson King
its one reason why countries like china that have forged a unified national identity, are going to be so powerful.
Charles Nelson
What if instead of unification, it goes the old-fashioned way and one society just straight up conquers everyone else?
I mean let's say something happens that suddenly makes nuclear weapons just not work, they might as well not exist. If the US decided to just start jacking every piece of territory it wanted and put down any resistance with Mongol-tier prejudice, could anyone really stop them?
Gavin Brooks
>without going full Judge Dredd >without Well where's the fun in that?
Carson James
This is the natural order of things, set back by man-made disasters, sooner or later it will re-emerge
Ryder Murphy
>If the US decided to just start jacking every piece of territory it wanted and put down any resistance with Mongol-tier prejudice, could anyone really stop them?
Leo Gomez
Nukes
Zachary Mitchell
Indeed
Jonathan Rogers
>I mean let's say something happens that suddenly makes nuclear weapons just not work
>We'll use nukes!
Angel Gonzalez
I'm pointing out that if one country tried to take over, the other countries with nukes would be able to stop them
Eli Myers
The further away a government is to its subjects, the more alienated and apathetic they will feel, and there needs to be some degree of willing participation for it to be sustainable. Nothing is ever too big to fail. That's why those big huge super-government blocs in mecha anime are unlikely to happen.
Also, most of Russia's land isn't even inhabited. It's like Canada where the vast majority cluster around the southern border.
The US is more spread out, but the US is flexible enough because of the state governments. Though, the federal government is already stretched enough as it is with the current size.
Brody Hughes
If the government is the world then what's the distance?
Cooper Miller
I'm ready
Oliver Torres
Distance in this case is metaphorical. If people are disconnected from the top-brass by class, social standind, culture and national identity they are sure to resent being told what to do by them, seeing as the ruling class will have no experience of what being like the average layman is like.
Jackson Jenkins
Yes, it's inevitable. No, it won't last long. Read Revelation.
Caleb Baker
I don't know about one world government but I like the unionizing idea of globalization. We should all live as one, or at least as individual parts of a whole. Nationalism is the worst plague from the past we still deal with. Fuck this country. That refers to all of them.
The world should be governed by council, backed electronically by the rest of civilization. It's 2017. You can have all people on earth weigh in on all major decisions through phone voting and public conferences in which the public should be able to comment live to their representatives in a form that would be visible to all members of the council at all times during discussions. Basically give everyone an active visible voice, and rule through local consensus
Henry Peterson
This is more complex than just some technological implementation. We need a theoretical backbone for this to be possible. Maybe we already have it but i dont know of any such. For example how do you divide what descisions are to be made at what circle of people? Obviously not all the world should decide if your street needs to have maintenance done to it right? So the question begins How do you divide these circles of involvement.
Dylan Adams
with the amount of dormant ODD schizophrenia etc in the american populice i wonder if you could ever truely have a majority genuinely loved president that breaks the 2 term rule and becomes a dictator/dynasty
would events would unite a populace behind one leader/soverign?
Adam Scott
Bump
Thomas Turner
>Is the world inevitably progressing towards a one world government? (Not true, by the way)
Chase Sanders
Nazi Germany tried this. Did not work because the rest of the world united to fight back.
Also half of the US would oppose war and stop it at some point. Like in Vietnam.
Easton Gomez
>Is the world inevitably progressing towards a one world government? The world is inevitably progressing towards collapse and mass die-offs of a scale unprecedented in human history.
global warming, depleting resources, super viruses and bacteria, AI, rise of nationalism
Austin Mitchell
yeah there really isn't a way to not have a global economy anymore, it's too late but most people can't see that
Dominic Edwards
Global warming will be bad, billions will die, but we'll adjust and keep on advancing. Most of the dead will be in the 3rd world anyways.
Resources are draining, true, but as previously mentioned many people are going to die soon, so that means that there will be more to go around for the rest of us, and additionally space mining may soon become viable, thus leading to vast mineral resources.
Super viruses and bacteria are a problem, no doubt, you've got a good point there.
AI shouldn't be a problem at all though. The most basic of regulations and testing should ensure that no AI goes rogue and it is only used for mankind's benefit.
I don't think nationalism is rising as much as people think it is, I mean sure you've got guys like Trump and things like Brexit, but those are blips on the radar compared to the global gradual progress of globalism.
Jason Parker
>mfw Conclude your own vital processes
Owen Williams
>Nazi Germany tried this. Did not work because the rest of the world united to fight back. Nazi Germany didn't have a military larger than the next 14 militaries combined, and also is the primary military force provider for most of the countries that would oppose it.
Noah Smith
I don't think that the USA alone could do it, but a United Anglosphere probably could.