Drags his country into a war with a neutral nation

They're a neutral country as long as they haven't done anything openly hostile towards the UK.

Face it, the UK was the aggressor here.

No, they attacked an ally of the UK. That is an openly hostile act towards the UK.

They couldn't have expected that the UK would retaliate though, they had let them off several times before, so it was perfectly reasonable to think that the UK would be fine with it.

Versailles literally crippled Germany, the Germans only did what they had to do to survive.

Is it wrong to try to survive, now?

Make up your fucking mind

>MUH VERSAILLES
Look up treaty of Brest-Litovsk faggot

If you're a germ yes

Oh no. It crippled them so badly, it only took few years to rebuild it.

Look what Prussia did to France at the end of Franco-Prussian war.

The Russians and French were literally the aggressors and instigators of the war in both cases though, you're literally comparing apples and oranges.

Russia's modern borders are worse than what they had after signing Brest-Litovsk treaty. No wonder they hate murica now much more than Germans back then.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>neutral

>Germans dindu nuthin day always duh gudd Bois
Germany declared war on Russia, France,Belgium and Luxembourg.
Either you're trolling or you're retarded

what's sad and funny is that there's equal probability of both

Trying to appease people that are dead set on something will never work.

Russia had mobilized troops on the German and Austrian borders and France refused to stay neutral, Germany actually attempted to avert the war.

Belgium and Luxembourg were not supposed to be caught in the crossfire, they should have simply let the Germans cross and no one would have been hurt.

>you're literally comparing apples and oranges.
LITERAL APPLES AND ORANGES

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>Russia had mobilized troops on the German and Austrian borders
Russia didn't even have a border with Germany let alone fucking Austria you goddamn imbecile.
The only border which had Germans and Russians stand on its sides was the one running through partitioned Poland - which were both fucking occupying therefore had fucking troops on it.
And the ones who crossed that border without any provocation were the Germans.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Got a source that isn't stormfront.org, faggot?

>>Drags his country into a war with a neutral nation
Neutral nations generally don't invade other neutral nations

>the Germans only did what they had to do to survive
I bet the starving german nation really needed austria and sudetenland, as well as an army large enough to take over the rest of the continent.
Nope, couldn't have survived without them.

>sure, we'll look the other way while you re-arm
>sure, we'll look the other way while you re-militarize the rhineland
>sure, we'll look the other way while you annex austria
>sure, we'll look the other way while you dismember our ally

Clearly, ((((((((((Chamberlain)))))))))) was hell-bent on war with Germany.

Without the Lebensraum, the population would have never been able to flourish back to pre-WWI levels.

It was either that, or remain in servitude to France and Britain for the rest of eternity. You wouldn't blame a slave for breaking his chains now would you? So why blame Germany when they do the same?

Talking about the Great War here, you absolute moron.

But they're all dead now be cause their ideas were dogshit

in what fucking context?
you do know Germany invaded all of
in 40's again, right?

Pls remove that german penis from your mouth

>Without the Lebensraum, the population would have never been able to flourish back to pre-WWI levels.
Somehow they managed to do it even without it, who would have fucking thought.

We were discussing Russia's responsibility for WWI and how it reflected in the harshness of Brest-Litovsk

Only by jeopardizing their economy in the long run with a war economy.

They needed more clay if they wanted to stabilize and bring peace and order back into Europe, clear and simple.

*and that's with another minus 10 million Germans lost in a shitty pointless war, still bounced back even without fucking lebensraum

Britain and France were both weakened too though, which allowed Germany to prosper in an environment lacking an oppressive economic opponent trying to sabotage their growth.

If they had stayed with interwar dynamics, Germany would have never bounced back, and would have had to pay unfair reparations until the new millennium.

>They needed more clay
>clay

Opinion discarded

>dismissing an entire argument simply because of a common lexical decision

[insert brainlesswojak.png]

>drags his country into a war
t. Goebbels

I lose it every fucking time user
every fucking time

Worryingly accurate.

>If they had stayed with interwar dynamics, Germany would have never bounced back, and would have had to pay unfair reparations until the new millennium.
>It was either that, or remain in servitude to France and Britain for the rest of eternity. You wouldn't blame a slave for breaking his chains now would you? So why blame Germany when they do the same?
But it was decided that the Germans wouldn't have to continue paying reparations at the Lausanne Conference in 1932.

He's right though. Chamberlain had no intention to help Poland, and didn't make any effort to actually fight Germany (even though he could've broken the German defences in a week), but he still felt the need to send Poland a guarantee and declare war on Germany, when the only reason to do so was to defend Poland, which he didn't do. There was o reason for Chamberlain to bet the UK involved in the invasion of Poland.

>There was o reason for Chamberlain to bet the UK involved in the invasion of Poland.
He clearly didn't want to take the hit to prestige and diplo rep.

>do a thing
>no one gets mad

>do the thing again
>yet again, no one is mad

>do the thing a third time
>everyone hates you now

???

you are literally countering your own points....
by saying that you are agreeing they are the aggressor

Yeah but the UK was okay with them being the aggressor, so it was fine

Angl0s literally didn't care until Poland for some reason and then they decided to sperg out.

Pretty inconsistent tbqh

More like
>Do a thing
>people get mad but let it slide, you promise not to do it again
>do it again
>people warn you not to do it again or they'll push your shit in, you again promise not to do it again
>do it again anyway
>they push your shit in

>See other European powers do a thing
>European powers even do the thing to you
>Do the thing to another power
>"UH WOW WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT"

???

>Only by jeopardizing their economy in the long run with a war economy.
Which they could have easily avoided by using a non-war economy to fix their country.

European countries are all equal, but some are more equal than others.

Classic socialist doublethink in action

>Germany declared war on Russia, France,Belgium and Luxembourg

You forgot the Netherlands, Denmark, and Norway

Why do people hate Chamberlain so much?
If it weren't for him the UK wouldn't have had enough time to prepare munitions for the upcoming war, had they gone in immediately the UK would have been crushed in a month.

He sacrificed his career to save his nation and is still treated like an asshole by his own people, it's sad.

People thinking that acting early would have been better (unfairly) and butthurt Czechs, mostly.

You having a laugh mate? Chamberlain sucked up the Nazis for years trying to avoid a war with them.

If they acted earlier they would have gotten annihilated by Germany (especially since they hadn't fucked up in Russia yet and were at their military's peak power).
I feel like people don't understand how badly WWI fucked up the UK without having the nationalist tide that grew in Germany after the Treaty of Versailles.

I was talking about WW1

>unironically defending lebensraum
We're reaching peak stormfag now, just wait for him to say the Holocaust didn't happen but it should have.

>survival requires invading poland

What's wrong with Lebensraum?

They unironically needed more land.

*survival requires retaking German land unfairly taken away from them

What's wrong with slaughtering Germans who invade your country, and then raping them into submission?
Soviets were only defending themselves.

>What's wrong with killing millions of people, Germany needed more land guys c'mon

And Germans were just defending themselves from the rest of the UK who would have kept them in chains forever.

Literally a situation where no one was in the wrong.

>Without the Lebensraum, the population would have never been able to flourish back to pre-WWI levels.
What on earth are you talking about? Living standards in Germany passed 1914 levels in the late 20s, they fell again during the Depression but were back up by mid 30s, and after WWII West Germany had massive economic boom with far less land and even higher density because of all the people from the East that got deported there.

this

>Germans were defending themselves
>by invading shitload of countries
Wow.

Artificial countries cut out of German territory.

>Germany
Artificial country cut out of Slavic, French, Danish and Dutch territory.

That's plain false, though.

>If they acted earlier they would have gotten annihilated by Germany (especially since they hadn't fucked up in Russia yet and were at their military's peak power).
That's wrong though. The delay benefited Germany more than it benefited Britain and France, plus Czechoslovakia is harder to invade than Poland. By giving up Czechoslovakia to the Germans, Chamberlain handed them a massive advantage because it was one of the largest arms-manufacturing areas in Europe. Something like one fifth or one quarter (I forget exactly) of the tanks the Germans used invading France in May 1940 were actually Czech. Without those resources Germany would have a much harder time conquering France so quickly

>one of the most powerful countries with the world with the largest economy in Europe and among the highest living standards
>in chains

>survive
>lose milions of people
>thousands get raped by soviets
>many cities firebombed to the ground

Wow you germans would suck dicks for pack of ciggartes for months after ruskie were done fucking your wifes

gj on that

no it is not

They couldn't expect the *entirety* of the world to team up against them.

Yes, you can't really fault a rabid animal for trying to survive.

>UK and France tell you if you invade Poland they'll declare war on you
>invade Poland anyway
>invade a fuck ton of other neutral countries
>invade the USSR
>declare war on the USA after your ally attacks them
Wow how did we end up at war with all these countries?

1. Poland was mistreating its German minorities
2. Russia was preparing to invade
3.The USA had already been conspiring against Germany, by that time, it didn't really matter

>Versailles literally crippled Germany
Germany is even SMALLER today than it was after Versailles, and it's the hegemon of europe you fucking brainlet. territory is meaningless in the modern world. And before you screech "muh reparations" the Western Powers had all but cancelled them in the early 1930s during the Depression.

>The Russians and French were literally the aggressors and instigators of the war

>Poland was mistreating its German minorities
Literal Nazi propaganda, and irrelevant anyway. If mistreating minorities is grounds for invasion, then everybody had the right to invade Germany given the way it was treating Jews, gypsies, Slavs, etc.
>Russia was preparing to invade
Fuck off Suvorov
>The USA had already been conspiring against Germany, by that time, it didn't really matter
Yeah it turns out if you repeatedly invade neutral countries, other neutral countries tend to not like you

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Implicit in Lebensraum, is the taking of land for the German "race" at the expense of other "races". As many nazi ideologues and planners made clear, this also entailed the subjugation of other races and making them slaves for the benefit of germans. Slaves would moreoever be worked and starved to death, doubling the slave labor as an exterminatory policy. And that's literally how it played out in WWII poland

Nothing bait about stating simple facts

>simple facts

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You mean like breaking the Anglo-German naval treaty in 1938?

Yes, he had terminal cancer, meaning he had no business being PM, but for the retarded bongs that's ok apparently.

>bongs
>armed

>all of this Germany hatred

Since when did Veeky Forums turn into fucking /leftypol/? I thought this place was for actual discussion of history.

get a load of this guy

Germans are objectively the most evil people in history.

Any true student of history will see beyond the equivocation meme and develop a true and hateful understanding of the kraut.

>as long as they haven't done anything openly hostile towards the UK.
Like attacking British allies?

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