Hunter gatherer era

>hunter gatherer era

People used to be tall.

>farming era

People used to be turbo manlets until very recently.

>modern era

People are tall again.

How does this make sense?

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Adequate nutrition.

living off of nothing but grains makes you malnourished and short.

Actually people were smallest during the 19th century, medieval farmers were taller than early industrial workers.

Nutritional diversity.

Hunter gatherers had higher caloric intakes and ate more protein (meat). Farmers worked more for less calories and less protein. Modern people have access to both increased calories and protein.
idk if early industrial people were short but early farmers were DEFINITELY short. 5'7 was considered tall in ancient Greece.

I thought HGs were relatively short (but not as short as sedentary farmers) and that it was nomadic pastoralists that were tall.

Ever thought about that human height is fluctuating according to availability of food in general and especially proteins. Like somebody during the height of the medieval climate optimum was likely to grow taller than somebody during the little ice age?
Or are you trying to "prove" some weird theory?

I don't know about heights in the medieval climate optimum/Roman warm period etc., all I know is that height is highly correlated with calories and protein, which modern humans and hunter gatherers both would have had plenty of in comparison to most farmers. Im guessing height didnt really increase that much because Medieval farmers still didn't have much protein but thats just a guess.
Its pretty well established why farmers were shorter and hunter gatherers and modern people are taller and it can be seen in developing countries in comparison to developed ones or even countries like Japan which are shorter because their cultural diets have less protein.

"Their working paper reveals that Englishmen became taller when Britain was under Roman occupation (200-410 AD), with average height rising from 167 cm to 170 cm (or 5 feet 5 inches). The researchers suggest this rise in average height coincided with the Romans’ improved water supply and sanitation systems and a more varied diet at this time. After the Romans left Britain in 410, heights did not deteriorate immediately but fell from 600 onwards."

oh wow read this
"Average heights of men started to go up again after the Norman Conquest of 1066, says the paper. By the end of the early medieval period, heights had increased to 172 cm, increasing to 173 cm in the 1100s, edging closer to heights achieved at the start of the 20th century. The paper suggests that a warmer climate may have contributed to good general health among the population, noting that records for 901 until 1100s show that England ‘saw the warmest weather of the millennium’. Over this period of 200 years, average heights increased by more than 5 cm, says the working paper."

"After 1200, heights started to decline, and archaeological evidence shows that at this time, the rural populations were decreasing, farmland had become degraded and there were shortages of crop seeds. It also notes that other research has suggested temperatures turned colder over the century, with weather becoming far more changeable until the early 1300s. The early 1300s started with the Great Famine (1315-1317) which may have exaggerated the decline in average heights, but the paper says men had started getting shorter several decades before. After the Black Death of 1348-1350, however, average heights grew, with the paper noting that this coincided with a boost in agricultural production. From 1400 to the early 1650, mean height reached 173-174 cm. The early years of the 1600s were ‘unusually healthy’, and the paper notes that the introduction of poor laws may have contributed to better health for poorer sections of society."

>which modern humans and hunter gatherers both would have had plenty of in comparison to most farmers.
Thats a very broad generalization, there were many malnourished HG's and for example early medieval farmers didn't plant corn but raised pigs and cattle instead, with a resulting meat/protein heavy diet. Also, Fish and legumes are great protein sources.

"Heights then fell after 1650, falling to around 169 cm in the late 1600s, a decline that continued until the early 1800s, says the study. It notes that previous research suggests mortality rates had declined with life expectancy for those born between 1650-1750 being 35 years as compared with 40 years in the late 1500s. The nature of work after 1650 had changed with manual labour putting more of a toll on the body. The authors note that during the Industrial Revolution, the demands on workers were much greater than in medieval times. The increasing number of working days coupled with poorer working conditions could be why average height went down even though wages grew after 1650. The decline in heights could also be associated with increasing inequalities in society, suggests the paper."

Its a broad generalization just the same as average height.
Pastoralism did yield protein but very few farmers were herders or cattlemen or had significant cattle. Most farmers planted barley, rye, or wheat...not legumes or tubers.
Hunter gathering *typically* was less labor intensive (4-6 hours of work a day) compared to farming (6-12 hours a day) and usually yielded more calories and protein.
And really, its not that broad of a generalization, it holds pat for most of history.

So, what does aniki have anything to do with the topic?

Lol, I just looked that guy up and it turns out he acted in faggot porn. No idea why OP used that guy's picture.

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I heard someone say once that Nordic bronze age people conquered territories by being bigger and strong from having a mixed agrarian and game diet. Of course it's doubtful since Bosnians/Herzegovinians are probably the tallest European ethnicity and they have a lot of paleolithic admixture and Germanics happen to follow them in it.

>Nordic bronze age people conquering things
like what?

Like populating central and northern Europe.

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>Bosnians/Herzegovinians have a lot of paleolithic admixture and Germanics happen to follow them in it
How do you figure that?

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