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>fail to hinge at all
>glutes and hams still somehow work the way they're supposed to
>no matter how you bench your pecs are always doing what they're supposed to

Could this be the quickest newtrip crash and burn yet?

Can I get a form check please? I'm working on pushing up and back into the bar to stop this forward drift:

>youtube.com/watch?v=zzc9TyZpdFg

Sorry for slow reps - I was focusing on cues.

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Please explain to me your reasoning on power output, and why you believe this to be true.

do you like my acrostic?

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you can make one for LIVIA if you want (:

>Cat-back brings your hips closer to the bar

It actually doesn't. It brings the shoulders closer, not the hips.

Just look at any videos of rounded-back deadlifts, and you'll see the hips do not change their position. For example youtube.com/watch?v=p7TbBY7jDEQ

Vertical jump. Some people just have more efficient neural-muscular systems.

Efficiency =/= Activation
Nice straw man though.

posting REAL grills

>Yawning
Between sets?

On trappys bench guide it showed u how to grip the bar. It was different to how I do it and I tried it and my wrists were very straight but it seemed to put a lot more strain on my triceps and elbows??

Good, good.

And he's a "nice strawman" reddit poster.

A bad hinge leads to bad hamstring and glute activation. Stop giving advice or stop tripping.

Do both

Why are you hinging on the bench press?

You've been misled.

Power generation is almost entirely based on muscle insertion points.

This means it IS genetic, but also that it can be trained to great extent because insertion points only vary so much.

>Power generation is almost entirely based on muscle insertion points

And composition of fast-twitch/slow-twitch fibers.

And efficiency of motor-unit recruitments by the nervous system.

And bad retraction or bar path lead to bad pec activation. You're arguing that a known phenomenon is not a thing.

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her discord friends said her yawn sounded like orgasmic moaning

also, maybe I should change the "A" in my acrostic to "Argumentative" (;

composition of fast-twitch vs slow-twitch fibers is so completely blown out of proportion that it shouldn't even be considered.

I'm gonna need a citation on your CNS efficiency claims - that seems like a basic function of the CNS that shouldn't vary widely between individuals.

Literally the only thing that gives a real physical advantage is insertion points.

Just grab the bar, there is no science to it.

This try hard grip exists where you rotate your wrist so the bar is basically aligned with the very bottom of your hand.
But it's shit and not needed at all.

>Trump rally today

Fun fact:

Working your way into volume rather than doing it all at once is important and easy to forget.

I had some mild tendinitis from bench and then figured "oh if I start doing 50 chins per day it will go away."

Nah the c hind made it worse, or caused their own form of tendinitis.

Once I stopped doing chins at all, tendinitis was gone.

>tfw need to remind myself to ease my way back into pull-up volume

It's a smirk.
But it's not.

>bad retraction

It changes efficiency and safety.
It doesn't change activation.

>bar path

It makes the movement less efficient, but it doesn't cause you to not be able to activate your chest.

Activation =/= Efficiency

>composition of fast-twitch vs slow-twitch fibers is so completely blown out of proportion that it shouldn't even be considered.

You might be correct on this one, but we just don't know for certain.

>I'm gonna need a citation on your CNS efficiency claims - that seems like a basic function of the CNS that shouldn't vary widely between individuals.

There are many examples.

Here's one
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21867446

>but it's not

Great argument.

More links
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15726413
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21923202

;_;

youtube.com/watch?v=hgfbqewNlt4

>.gov

Why aren't you stronger?

Is it because Theory doesn't always translate into practice and vice versa?

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21923202
"Muscle performance is heavily influenced by basal muscle mass and its dynamic response to training. "

still nothing about CNS in any of these.

Genetics, sure. But absolutely nothing about the base rates for the average humans CNS adaptation in regards to musculoskeletal strength.

>got a comfy cold
>wearing a comfy hoodie
>sitting on the sofa eating mac n' cheese
>cold outside
>I'm warm
>I'm so fucking comfy
>lower back is kill but still comfy

You seem to have the gist of it, just not enough practice with it.
You seem capable of looking up articles and presumably websites, why don't you look up (a) how round-back deadlifts changes the work of muscles during the deadlift (here you will find that, as opposed to a proper hinge, the hips get closer to the bar and glutes+hams are shorter and less involved in the lift), and (b) compensatory movement patterns in relation to muscle activation (here you will learn that faulty activation can cause compensations, which means you saying there's no such thing as "not activating the chest enough" is wrong).

>With the current state of knowledge, the field of genetic influences on sports performance remains in its infancy, despite over a decade of research.

The lack of obvious genetic contributions to performance suggests a lack of significant genetic features in performance differences.

I was too busy earlier to say this but,

Y A D I N G U S
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posting a COMFY image4u

Haino is Sean and Sean is trappy and frappe was Sean

how did you u get this pic of me?

I'll just stretch it out, do some mobility crap and complete my deadlift sets in a few days
Benching with a cold was really comfy tho

Thats Marina, a pop singer.

>Haino is Sean and Sean is trappy and frappe was Sean
I've said this before.

It checks out considering that all of those people clearly have deep-seated mental illness.

The only issue is proving it and I know how, but it will take time.

Last week of Gnuckols bench int x3 med vol.
I did d1 yesterday but I can't go tomorrow so I was planning on going today for d2.
It's the pyramidal day with 2 triples at 75% as top sets,should be doable right?

>when you try to fix the hyperextension and all u get it buttwink

Yes.

Yeah u fine

Doesn't look too godawful

There is no significant Butt wink there.

You're never going to get anywhere if you keep hyper analyzing your lifts like this Jesus Christ just move on.

Its annoying how her breasts keep changing size
Sometimes she looks flat, sometimes it's huge

O-ok.

This actually feels comfort and stronger than now I was squatting

Shit. posted in the old thread.

Fucking shit that was a shit workout.
Was hyped to squat today and even the warmup squats felt like shit. Did one set of squats with the workweight and called it a day. Holy fucking shitballs, Batman, that was a shitty fucking ass workout. Couldn't concentrate at all on keeping my core tight and lost tightness on the way down. Fucking shit I tell you. FUCKING. SHIT. Ruined my mood for today at least, if not for tomorrow as well.

watch videos by chris duffin and chad wesley smith (yes I know they're druggaroos and not IPF approved)

keep your ribcage down and learn how to properly breath in order to brace your core
this should fix most of your issues

I GET TO WORK OUT AGAIN TOMORROW FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OVER A MONTH HELL FUCKING YEAH!

Thanks senpai. I've seen those a couple times already but not for awhile so it's prob worth a rewatch.

I'm gonna stop shitting up Plg with my meme extension for a while now.

First set of VD actually looked pretty good. No buttwink, less hyperextensiln, from bracing harder than I usually do +looking down and being slow and tight

>HOchicken
hehe

On my way to the first day of Sheiko lalalalalaaaa

Will I still make gains with this diet?

How u holding up raspie

Fuck off trappy-chan.

The position of your lumbar spine DOES affect the use of the positioning of your pelvis which then DOES affect the use of the glutes and hamstrings.

Again, the shoulder is a complex joint and the positioning of your scalula affects nearly all the muscles in the shoulder area, including the chest.

Also realize that muscle activation means nothing of how the muscle is actually used. You can fire a muscle all day long, but you're not doing anything practical because it's not recieving any resistance or doing any work. This happens all the time, a muscle is put into a shittier line of pull and fires more to accomodate. It DOES NOT means the muscle is getting a better stimulus, it DEFINITELY DOES NOT mean it is contributing more to the movement.

So shut the fuck up, maybe provide some sort of biomechanical explanation with citations because the burden of proof is on you, little girl.

I know what bullshit you're up to, you fucking ugly trappy-cunt. Getting on of your white knight cucks to give you pictures and webms so you can seem NOT like trappy-cunt. Well fuck you, Livia.

I hate everything about you, and everybody else should too. Physically, you're fucking repulsive. Big feet, bad skin, smug look. Then your personality is even worse, you're purposely argumentative (just like me) but you never provide anything of actual substance to arguments and your goal is just to "win" by disregarding anything and everything people say. Not to add that your knowledge is MINIMAL and the knowledge you do have is totally IMPRACTICAL. Your advice is terrible and you're a stupid pseudo intellectual.

Just one final thing: Fuck you, Livia.

It's because I haven't been lifting for a year yet, even with a 2 month break.

"Muscle fibre type determination is complex. Whilst initial composition is likely to be strongly influenced by genetic factors, training has significant effects on fibre shifts. Polymorphisms of the peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor α (PPARα) gene and R577x polymorphism of the ACTN3 gene are both associated with specific fibre compositions."

"there are two versions of the ACTN3 gene (which we’ll discuss later) which plays a role in explosive performance. One version of the gene is beneficial for power performance, and the other version of the gene has a negative effect on power performance (and may have a positive effect on aerobic performance). "

"For example, the ACTN3 gene codes for a protein that’s crucial for rapid muscle contraction in fast-twitch muscle fibers; many of the other genes known to affect performance alter some specific signaling pathway slightly in some way or another, but the ACTN3 gene makes a protein that directly impacts how powerfully a muscle can contract. Obviously, it’s an important gene for power performance – probably the most important individual gene yet identified – and unsurprisingly, most elite power athletes have two working copies of this gene."

Use sci-hub.bz to access the articles.

I have, rounding the back doesn't affect the hips position, it affects the shoulders. It's a compensatory move for the lats, or a lack of strength/technique for the spine erectors.

>(b) compensatory movement patterns in relation to muscle activation

Citation needed.

>"not activating the chest enough" is wrong

Citation needed.

The buttwink is probably just your shorts being pulled.

Also, hyperextending isn't that big of a deal. Most of the injuries occur when flexing under a load, not when hyperextending. That's because of the shape of the vertebrae.

resputin? you should eat that bag of sour patch kids

Nice lady gave me her day rider for the bus so I saved 4 quid and I'm fuckin buzzing lalalallalalaaaa

>The position of your lumbar spine DOES affect the use of the positioning of your pelvis which then DOES affect the use of the glutes and hamstrings.

Citation needed.

>Again, the shoulder is a complex joint and the positioning of your scalula affects nearly all the muscles in the shoulder area, including the chest.

But I never said it didn't.

>Also realize that muscle activation means nothing of how the muscle is actually used. You can fire a muscle all day long, but you're not doing anything practical because it's not recieving any resistance or doing any work. This happens all the time, a muscle is put into a shittier line of pull and fires more to accomodate. It DOES NOT means the muscle is getting a better stimulus, it DEFINITELY DOES NOT mean it is contributing more to the movement.

Straw man much?

>maybe provide some sort of biomechanical explanation with citations because the burden of proof is on you

I've posted:
- video proof
- scientific articles
- biomechanics explanations

Keep in mind I'm the only person in this whole discussion who has done ANY of those things.

I'm still waiting on the other side to provide ANY backing-up to their arguments.

pretty good, Korea is agreeing with me.

I've eaten most of them, but don't want to finish them off as they flew in with me.

SHE'S NOW RUNNING SHEIKO
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>It's another "non /plg/ dyels trying to sound smart but getting btfo by Buda or Facebrah" thread edition

Wow fucking great. Power output is influenced by genetics. So is everything else. You made the claim that power output can be changed VERY LITTLE, prove it???

>power output can't be trained significantly
>shorts crumpling causing buttwink
Huh? How do I know it's you Livia???

I'm going to find you and I'm going to kill you, you useless piece of trash.

shit workout lads

felt proper wank during my squats at 115kg

couldn't get the bar comfy

my vision started going brown and then bright

my knee was tingly as fuck like

and then I failed on the second set (I normally do 125kg but I took a wee deload so it's extra shite)

decided to cut off the workout early incase I died

and my vision and wee floaters floating about on the way home

probably got a tumour now

What is that on the telly? Period drama? Gay maid role play porn?

So she has an excuse to quit.

Star Trek: TNG

I'm currently trying to stretched and lying on the floor and can't get up because either m abs hurt or lower back hurts and I need both to get up

Read me a story wnile I la here and die pls

Ah sci fi holodeck period drama. Nice.
Because I know how to calculate maxes correctly so I'm not gunna burn out in two months.

Star trek really should do paused bench instead. It's way better for consistency and has a lower risk of injury too.

>shorts crumpling causing butt-wink

It's a well known thing youtube.com/watch?v=DaA6vYPYDe8 skip to 2:35

>You made the claim that power output can be changed VERY LITTLE, prove it

I didn't say that. I said there are people who genetically have low power output, and I posted studies proving my point.

>power output can't be trained significantly

Define significantly.

Hey this song reminded me of u
youtu.be/LpXsvNmcxMU

It's Barkley trying to get over his anxiety issues by putting on a play for the crew

I switched to paused bench ages ago, best decision ever

>when stretching didn't fix the pain
I'm 5 minutes from killing myself. When I can get up I'm going to end my life.

There once was a powerlifting user called Disc Bulge who complained about his injury all the time. All his friends told him he should see a physio or an orthologist but user said he would rather ignore it until it went away.

As time went on Disc Bulge got used to pain and decided it was because it was healing, so he started lifting again. Under the advice of his friends he decided to strengthen his core, but was too good for planks and went straight to the ab wheel without warming up.

Because of this he strained his lower abs. Oh oooohhh. You would think that having cold and strained abs would have stopped him from deadlifting the next day. But not Disc Bulge.

The other anons pleaded with him. But he was like, fuck you guys it feels like Christmas.

And so it was he deadlifted and heard a grinding and a pop. He dropped to the ground blinded by pain.

Santa Gains appeared and said

'Its not Christmas for over 4 months you naughty stupid faggot'.

The End

It's okay, dude. Don't let a small injury get you down. Just eat around or slightly below maintenance for a bit, take some time off from lifting heavy for a week or more to see how it feels.

Taking 2 weeks off over the course of a 10+ year training career is negligible.

Trying to hang myself with a resistance band rn

I've had this injury for 8 months or something

Good story, glad this will be the last I read

Significantly - Not a lot.

Why don't you define it. You're the ONE THAT SAID IT.

And it may be a "known thing" (it's known that some people are stupid and mistake crumpling clothing as rounding of the lumbar spine), but you say this EVERY TIME butt wink is brought up. Rounding of the lumbar spine on squats is a VERY REAL thing, and you deny that it's real, or can cause injury, which is extremely ignorant and as far from the truth as you can get.

Forgot my trip.

Shhhh no tears. Only dreams now

>citation
YOU make the claim, the burden of proof is on YOU.

I did make the claim that the lumbar spine affects the pelvis, and my fucking proof is CUT YOUR WORTHLESS BODY OPEN AND LOOK AT WHERE YOUR LUMBAR SPINE ATTACHES.

>But I never said I didn't.
You DID. You said retractng the scalps on bench press DOESNT AFFECT THE WAY THE CHEST IS USED.

>Straw man much?
No, not a straw man at all, Miss Reddit. Because you keep making claims of "activation". Muscle activation is irrelevant. I care about the position of resistance relative to the muscle, the LINE OF PULL. That's what matters, and EMG isn't helpful here, because it's all BASIC MECHANICS.

>I've posted some shit, bla bla.
Nothing worthwhile, nothing that supports your points. You have a real nasty habit of doing that, Livia. You type a word into pubmed and link the first article that comes up, and it often has no relevance (and you don't know if it does or not because you didn't read it).

>video proof.
Huh, a video of some ugly bearded cuck who's helping you troll /plg/?

Good job posting a video of your fucking fiend by the way, everyone believes that's you! ;)

Forgot my trip.

Hanging is a really easy way to go, or at least with a resistance band.
Once I find somewhere where it will stop falling down I should be dead within a few minutes

Weirdest fucking episodes. But also great

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You have no chill. Why are you here arguing with people? Since I'm weak I know to keep my mouth shut and can admit I don't know much, but you're far weaker/fatter than me and can't do that.

>You're the ONE THAT SAID IT

Where?

>and you deny that it's real, or can cause injury

Where?

Citation needed

You were never strong if a cut reduced you to novice lifts.

Barkley's social anxiety mystifies them because mental illnesses were basically wiped out through genetic manipulation during the eugenics wars. Same reason why there are no gays in star trek.

I like you man.

I really do.

>YOU make the claim

What claim?
I've posted sources for every single one of my claims (unlike you.)

>You DID. You said retractng the scalps on bench press DOESNT AFFECT THE WAY THE CHEST IS USED.

It doesn't. The chest is still used for flexion and horizontal flexion.

I can't respond to the rest of your post for lack of context on your claims.