A FUCKING TABLE LEG

just get 2 sacrificial guys. shank hitler and himmiler and crunch the cyanide capsule.

>he doesn't know
keep up

What terms would the allies even accept post 1943 anyway

>the nazis destroyed germany
You seem to fundamentally misunderstand Nazism and its relationship with Germany. It was not an unfortunate side effect of the times, but rather the inevitable conclusion to centuries of German barbarity. There is no quality of Nazism that isn't present in every era of German history. The only difference is that they took it the farthest. You should read some AJP Taylor. He is very interesting.

Unconditional Surrender

How is not hating your own race edgy, you leftypol shill?

nice edge.

Nazism was the worst thing to ever happen to white nationalism.

It's beyond edgy on Veeky Forums. It's mandatory.

He managed to remove millions of undesirables from the gene pools of Europe before he met his fate. His life's work didn't crumble because it can't be undone.

meanwhile tainting any kind of nationalism for the next 70+ years with his image

So when was that plane ride of Hitler's that had malfunctioning bombs on? I think their fuses failed or something.

They tried using suicide bombers twice.

The first time it was a time bomb, but Hitler didn't stay as long as he was planned and left before the fuse would've activated.

The second time a landmine was used, and the plan was to kill Hitler, Himmler, and Göring in one go during a uniform display, but the meeting got cancelled.

1943.

Supposedly the percussion cap got so cold in the cargo bay that it failed to ignite or something.

Proofs?

>FBI files
>some guy saw another guy with a mustache

Wow, that's it everyone, mystery solved.

No, whitenats being fucking retarded Amerimutts is the worst thing to happen to European and their descended populations

Nice edge

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Is Nazi a race now?

How would history have unfolded if he died in this blast or the if the plane explosive was successful?

Nazism is not white nationalism

It's not. Actively attempting to destroy other races is.

White nationalism makes perfect sense for America. In Europe it would be retarded, but there still should be some sort of pan-European solidarity.

The conspirators in the government had supporters lined up to assume all the important positions after Hitler's death.

After killing Hitler, they would've used Wehrmacht and reserve army officers and generals sympathetic to the conspiracy to take over SS positions and arrest/execute SS officials.

Assuming Himmler was still alive, he most likely would've assumed leadership of the Reich and would've resisted the coup. Wether he would have been successful or not, no one really knows.

Had the conspirators successfully taken over the government, they planned to immediately initiate peace talks with the allies and probably would've tried to negotiate keeping some of the conquered territories (which the allies almost certainly would reject).

Though it's uncertain whether the coup would've been successful at all, as there were many high ranking conspirators who were supposed to take over government positions in conquered territories that were shown to be indecisive in their allegiances.

cont.

After learning of Hitler's survival of the July 20th plot, many conspirators lined up to take government positions quickly dropped all plans and tried to cover for themselves, some by even fighting against other conspirators.

Even if Hitler had been killed, it's unclear if everyone involved would have wanted to continue withe coup, as Himmler, the head of the major obstacle to the coup, the SS, would have assumed leadership and many feared his brutality and the concept of the SS leader being the new top enemy.

Though even if Himmler had suppressed the coup, he likely would've tried initiating peace talks himself, though probably later and differently than how the conspirators would've gone about it.

Too complicated.

All you need is a patriot, opportunity, and a shiv

What angers me is that one of the plans on the table was to have someone just shoot him, but no one felt comfortable shooting an unarmed man.

But their main concern was Himmler taking over. Göring they could take or leave, but if Himmler had taken over after the assassination, they knew the retribution and resistance would have been ruthless.

was Himmler even that strong or influential inside the government? wasn't he just like Beria, a rabid dog, that can be killed easily when his owner dies?

/pol/s leakin alot this morning..

Hell no.

At that point, Himmler was one of Hitler's most trusted officials.

Him being the head of the SS was also very bad, because Himmler was very articulate in making sure that all SS officials would be loyal.

Basically, if Hitler dies, Himmler takes over, and whatever Himmler wants, the SS does.

Himmler only tried initiate peace agreements after it was clear that there was no possible way for Germany to survive further fighting.

Bump

How would the July 20 plot have turned out if Hitler had not been killed, but severely injured and unable to reassert control of the government for several days?

Let's say Hitler gets thrown into the wall by the bomb and spends three days in a coma before awaking with his cognitive functions still intact (i.e. not braindead). What would happen in that 72 hour period? Would the plotter have been able to maintain control of Berlin for that long? Would open fighting have broken out between the SS, Wehrmacht regulars, and the Reserve Army? How long could the Reserve Army have held out? If they had not learned Hitler was still alive for 72 hours, would they have immediately reverted their back to his authority or having already sealed their own fates, stuck by Staffenberg and the other plotters?

Were they really so stupid as to think the war was against Hitler rather than Germany itself?
Traitors and fools.

Bingo. Argentina in the 1960's or early 70's.

Its not like the U.S. and the U.K. would've turned down peace talks just to bomb Germany a little more.

The Soviets may have sought total conquest no matter what, but Germany's best bet was to negotiate some sort of surrender to the western allies and hope they would act against further Soviet advances to Germany.

This would've been in the best interests of the western allies anyway, as they weren't to keen on the idea of the Soviets taking any more land.

>remove millions of undesirables
>also remove millions of desirables
>ratio is the exact same
wow what a fucking genius

>"I'm going to preserve the German race, even if I have to sacrifice every German to do it!"

Now this is strawmanning!

Hint: not every German national is racially German
This isn't a neo-nazi talking, this is someone interested in objective discourse.

What's more it was in the 60s so before USA could even trust Israel enough to believe with their nazi hunt. Now we know basically all about it. But watching /pol/ being so happy because Hitler "escaped Jews and died peacefully" was hilarious.

The creation of the Volkssturm goes to show just how much Hitler cared about any sort of German citizens.

You're not even attempting to be objective.

Pretty much. Wanting the nation to die with you because it failed you shows him to be a fair weather fuhrer.

>The new Volkssturm drew inspiration from the old Prussian Landsturm of 1813–1815 that fought in the liberation wars against Napoleon, mainly as guerrilla forces.
>Plans to form a Landsturm national militia in Eastern Germany as a last resort to boost fighting strength were first proposed in 1944 by General Heinz Guderian, chief of the General Staff.
>The Army did not have enough men to resist the Soviet onslaught. So additional categories of men were called into service, including those in non-essential jobs, those previously deemed unfit, over-age, or under-age, and those recovering from wounds.

What part of this sounds like a cartoon egomaniac twirling his mustache and inventing ways to kill his own people to save face?

>there's no possible way we can win this war
>let's conscript the old, the young, and the weak to be slaughtered to draw this agony out even longer

That part

>on-essential jobs, those previously deemed unfit, over-age, or under-age, and those recovering from wounds.

You wouldn't apply that pseudo-righteous reasoning to any other ruler.
Every war that lasts long enough sees those demographics put out into the field.

You know old men and teenagers fought with the Union in the Civil War?

see
How do you feel about the Battle at Thermopylae?
The non-american sides in the Vietnam War?

In Hitler's case, it's because it was hypocritical.

His main goal was the preservation of German peoples through the destruction of lesser races. When destroying the lesser races became unachievable, he decided to put as many Germans at risk through fighting to the end instead of surrendering. Basically, he made everyone he claimed to support cover for his fuck up while he killed himself.

Had he surrendered when it became clear that the war was lost, he himself would have been tried but he would have spared millions of Germans from dying needlessly.

But no, his mindset was that either Germans would rule all of Europe or Germans would cease to exist at all.

What if Hitler posted on Veeky Forums with a timestamp
How hard would the world quake

most people consider Hitler to be a good man, you know

he only stopped in Argentina before going on to the underground Antarctic submarine base and later the hollow earth

Not since our Lord and Saviour, Donald Trump discredited that agency.

I don't know, ask the Nazis when they invaded Slavic countries and planned to genocide Slavs, which are white.

Thermopylae bought time for Athenians to evacuate to Salamis.
Vietnam War wasn't a fight to the last man despite the high death count.
You're analogies are really stupid

Bumping for this question

I don't think that's true user, I think you're lying to me

>Staufenberg will never redeem Germans and save their honour.

This ex post facto arguing is really 89 IQ. Yes, there were ideas that were more pronounced in Germany than in other countries. No, those ideas where not a necessary, nor a necessitating precondition for genocidal totalitarianism. If you remove the person of Hitler, the NSDAP stays irrelevant, the Germans never go to war again after WW I, and they never genocide anyone, which would make Germany one of the most amiable countries in Europe.

>AJP Taylor
It is 2017.

>But no, his mindset was that either Germans would rule all of Europe or Germans would cease to exist at all.
Wish he pick the latter

>Nazis
>Race
>Imblying I'm descended from G*rms

Not really. I don't argue that nazis were the most barbaric kind in modern European history, but all of their qualities, brutal racism, blaming other ethnicity, megalomania, ethnic cleansing, believing that they are the "chosen race" etc. is in literally every nation, if we really want to blame someone, its Mussolini in the 20's proving how easy it is to take over and rule with a little fascism. Nazis are just copies of this, just like every other similar group like the Iron Guard, Hungarists, Chetniks, Ustasa etc. Thinking that "literally everything in German history before the 1910's built up for Nazism to develop can be said about any nation. As soon as nationalism became the obsession for not only the ruling class, but the common man, and the Empires and Kingdoms started to fail, an event like this was almost doomed to happen in modern history.

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Sad

>betrayed his country
>betrayed his oath
>attempted murder
>naively thought the allies were at war with Hitler would make peace if he died

Staufenberg was a deranged and foolish moron. Its a tough pill to swallow but Hitler was correct in assuming that after Kursk Russia and the UK would not make peace with Germany.

Churchill nor Stalin did not care in the slightest about 'THE NAZIS'. They cared about global communism and Free market capitalism and which would dominate Europe.

Churchill saw it as correcting the mistake of allowing Germany to exist and Stalin saw it as forcing the revolution to spread in europe when it failed in 1918-19.

Staufenberg was an idiot and a pussy who did nothing prdouctive and even trying to kill HItler was not patriotic.

If they wanted to try to remove Hitler from power the best move was a Napoleon and his Marshall style 'make him acknowledge its over'.

>betrayed his country
>by trying to save his country from complete annihilation

>betrayed his oath
>Hitler went about betraying Germany's Constitution from literally the moment he was sworn in as Chancellor

>attempted murder
>implying Hitler didn't murder millions

>naively thought the allies were at war with Hitler would make peace if he died
>Hitler naively he could piss off literally everyone and somehow get away with it

>sonderweg retardation
Get lost brainlet

>table leg meme
>not the woeful retardation of not having kept the explosives and tools in the bag so when it exploded the other charge would detonate as well; and avoiding getting snitched by a fucking driver.

Kys

>Wish he pick the latter
He did. That was why he ordered the scorched earth strategy when retreating through Germany and tried to waste as many german lives as possible through volksturm and feldgendarmerie.

The plot would have failed, but Staffenberg and the others could've gone down fighting at the very least, given the Allies some breathing room and allowing them to seize more German territory those 72 hours.

This nigga knows.

Still happening. That's what is going on in Palestina right now with the self-appointed chosen ones.

>Thinking Hitler would live past the 50's with his Meth addiction and advanced Parkinson's

Stauffenberg was a racist piece of shit, that wanted to enslave Europeans.His reason for trying to kill Hitler was that he feared Germany would lose conquered territories.He bloated about torturing slaves, laughed at the sight of people fleeing executions and more than likely was at a execution of Allied POWs.His main demands to Allies included protection of Nazi war criminals and annexation of Western Poland.

>If you remove the person of Hitler, the NSDAP stays irrelevant, the Germans never go to war again after WW I, and they never genocide anyone,

Weimar Republic wanted to go to war already in 20s and planned to do so in the future against Poland.
Genociding Slavs was a very old German idea going back centuries ago, and Bismarck long before Hitler stated that Poles are animals that Germans must exterminate.

>Weimar Republic wanted to go to war already in 20s and planned to do so in the future against Poland.

Who? The Conservatives? The Monarchists? The Catholics? The Social Democrats?

The Weimar Republic had a more fractious political system than the United States and that's saying something.

Thats a broad generalization there m8

hahahahah

>Weimar Republic wanted to go to war already in 20s and planned to do so in the future against Poland.
That's the most bullshit thing I read this week. Weimar foreign policy was rapprochement with the France and Britain, and lifting the restrictions of Versailles through diplomatic efforts alone. For much of the 20s the Germans actually cuddled up to the USA and the two were closely aligned until the economic crisis. Without Hitler there could have been a German-American axis, alongside a French-British one.

WW I didn't ruin the world as bad as people claim, most of the terrible stuff had more to do with WW II. The SU was a failing shitheap before half of Europe was handed to them, and China would never have fallen to the communists either.

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>Who? The Conservatives? The Monarchists? The Catholics? The Social Democrats?The Weimar Republic had a more fractious political system than the United States

And the funny answer is...All of them.
Not even joking. All parties in Weimar Republic wanted eventual confrontation with Poland, so deep was German hatred towards Poles.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany–Soviet_Union_relations_before_1941

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_von_Seeckt

>Weimar foreign policy was rapprochement with the France and Britain, and lifting the restrictions of Versailles through diplomatic efforts alone

Buahahaha

feldgrau.com/WW2-German-Military-Soviet-Union

For 11 years (1922 to 1933), the whole world was almost entirely shielded from Germany's clandestine military build-up and military development efforts in the Soviet Union. A political flap did occur in 1926 when the Social-Democrats of Germany publicly announced some aspects of the German-Soviet military co-operation efforts (the Manchester Guardian in England also helped by publishing a number of articles on the subject)

The following guiding principles were key German goals:

Development of advanced military technologies, theoretical study efforts and training programs free from third-party interference.
Development of tactical applications for weapons systems prohibited by the Versailles treaty.
Development and education of an experienced cadre of specialists in all military fields. This cadre group can then be used to establish more formal military capabilities in Germany at a later time.
Development of weapons systems prohibited by Versailles; development of weapons systems available in Germany.
Development of new strategies and tactics based on the lessons learned in the above categories.
Each training class should not last more than one year.

>With Poland we come now to the core of the Eastern problem. The existence of Poland is intolerable and incompatible with Germany's vital interests. She must disappear and will do so through her own inner weakness and through Russia — with our help. Poland is more intolerable for Russia than for ourselves; Russia can never tolerate Poland. With Poland collapses one of the strongest pillars of the Peace of Versailles, France's advance post of power [is lost]. The attainment of this objective must be one of the firmest guiding principles of German policy, as it is capable of achievement — but only through Russia or with her help.
Hans von Seeckt Chief of German Army(Weimar Republic)

Alright, wikipedia warrior, your inability to understand the working of a government and walls of copy paste have defeated me. I will not reply to you further.

>managed to remove millions of undesirables from the gene pools of Europe
>Europe gets flooded with immigrants anyway

Source?

this isn't true. what actually prompted him to turn against the regime, the last straw in his book, were reports of SS and wermacht atrocities in Poland. this smearing of stauffenberg is a clever /pol/ hitjob

nazism was the best thing to ever happen to socialism

Pretty much

I refuse to let this thread die until I get my question answered

t. Pol