Now that the dust has settled, can we agree the lesser evil won the Spanish Civil War?

Yeah
>Their ideology inherently reinforces the societal structures that oppress women, the LGBTIQA+ community and people of color
God damn that sounds great

Fuck off faggot
I really hope this is b8

The bigotry is only beginning.

Stop being a Nigger

The demographics here still consist of immature trolls, the more you oppose them the more they are encouraged. If we are to eliminate the fundamentally negative aspects of fascism we can't be distracted with satire or edginess.

>LGBTIQA+
What does that even stand for? I know the first 4, but what does I, Q, A, and + mean?

While we're on the topic what's 2S+?

No we can't.

Kill yourself

>I know it's a joke but could we lay off the homophobia and bigotry?

It takes two to tango and the Rightwingers are mostly reacting to the efforts of the Leftist SJWs.

Should people simply accept policies that are directly opposed to them, simply for the sake of politeness?

Q means 'queer', which means 'everything but entirely straight'. So maybe that's the only useful definition, or maybe it's completely useless.

Straight is just straight, queer could be in any direction. You need a word for 'not straight' and you need a word for the kind of not straight as well.

You do understand fascism is a means by which to obtain goals related to group interest, it never specifies out-groups, or in-groups, only what is contextually relevant.

this. kek

lmao

>user understands fascism
wat

>Now that the dust has settled, can we agree the lesser evil won the Spanish Civil War?

Yes, because as we can see from later history, Communism was worse, the Republicans (the preferred option) were too weak and disorganized to take control and the Anarchists were flat-out bat-shit crazy.

This isn't a place we live in, unless you're so pathetic you do, also, this is a place of "discourse" at least in principle, you, or anybody else, don't decide what is acceptable on this board, if you want to narrow your field of discussion, there's probably a reddit page for you.

This. Jewish fascism was a thing even in the 1920s.

>eliminate the fundamentally negative aspects of fascism
you really don't get it do you...

>Anarchists were flat-out bat-shit crazy.

just because they were so effective in combat?

>Now that the dust have settle can we agree that...
Cry me a Ebro river

Stop replying to the obvious bait by /leftypol/

>If we are to eliminate the fundamentally negative aspects of fascism we can't be distracted with satire or edginess

You should read Starship Troopers, user.

It's the best case for fascism I've ever seen.

Please explain this post.

This is a subject not worth discussing?

Greater evil than the pre-war social democratic government, but lesser evil than the PCE or CNT-FAI

(You)

Why are rightards so obsessed with having safespaces?

Can´t you deal with your shitty reality?

fun fact: NSDAP had higher support from women than men

>>Anarchists were flat-out bat-shit crazy.
>just because they were so effective in combat?

The Republicans wanted to make Spain better, the Communists wanted to make Spain communist, the Fascist wanted to maintain the status quo, but the Anarchists wanted to destroy Spanish society and culture.

I am talking about the user who is derailing the discussion about the civil war with his faggotry

He had plans to annex Portugal, and was edging to enter WWII. Salazar stayed his hand.

their 'ideology' reinforces mass organised armed violence against any and all that arent part of the group, lgbtqxyzabcd hardly even comes into it, its any and all

also, fascists didnt care much about 'people of color' one way or the other

in that case youre not helping

The Nazis were really the only ones that hated gays. Homosexuality was never illegal in Fascist Italy or militarist Japan, and the BUF was fine with it.

>He had plans to annex Portugal, and was edging to enter WWII. Salazar stayed his hand.

The lack of an economy stayed Franco’s hand, if he ever even seriously considered invading Portugal anyway, beyond shooting the shit about it over a drink.

The republicans were nothing but a select group of masons called "hijos Caballeros Comuneros y Vengadores de Padilla" that kept chimping out to destroy the monarchy and Spain for 1 century and a half. They made a coup in 1931,they approved their own constitution,they made a failed coup d'etat in 1934 and when they were about to lose the second election in a row to conservatives Azaña stopped the recounting,named the popular front as winners and create a goverment that no one elected and refuse to finish the recount and make it public.
The republicans were nothing but self-loathing masons,they didn't give a single fuck about Spain. They fucked the economy and the country with Riego ,later on they almost destroyed Spain in the first republic and they almost destroy Spain in the second republic. There is a reason why they used Riego's anthem and used the purple color for the flag of Spain. They had been plotting on destroying Spain for a century and they were not even hiding it Thank god they were stopped.

Also he was good friends with Salazar and thankful for his support in the civil war

Of course
If anarchists won then they would be emboldened across the world like commies
Republicans were too inept to lead and eventually a military coup would appear
Commies would mean WW2 lost and ETERNAL SPAIN broken
Fascists kept out the war and just didn’t do much

CHECKED

Also Primo de Rivera dying was the greatest tragedy of that war.

>plans to
Everyone has plans
America has plans of where to nuke if England goes commie

>Commies would mean WW2 lost and ETERNAL SPAIN broken

Commie Spain would also be neutral. There is no way they support Moscow after Moscow stole from the revolution.

Communist Spain would actually HELP the anti-commies in the Cold War. There is a model of socialism that was installed violently and is not Stalinist. This is if it is as stable as the fascist Spain, which it would be.

Once the Franco era ended, why did Spain go back to a useless monarchy?

Germany would have invaded Spain after the Fall of France

not him, but I'd rather talk about the thread's actual topic

Top tier bait, have another (You)

The story is so confusing and it's so hard to find a good book or documentary about it. Most always include a sentence like "well sure the republican side was doing some bad stuff but it was nothing compared to nationalists" I don't know who to trust.
To me it looks like not everyone on the nationalist side was a fascist and not everyone on the republican side was a communist. At least I found nothing to suggest that Aguirre or Gimenez were communists.

The king was an absolute monarch and heir of Franco that decided to go the cuck way due CIA pressures and create a lame democracy. So many current problems would have been solved if Spain remained what it was under Franco...

It is only confusing with the retarded pro-democracy bias that most "historians" have. The information is pretty clear,but the narrative had to be twisted to justify all the fuckery that the republicans did

Yeah, you would be dead for once...
But that´s not our timeline and we have to deal with you...

I don't believe it. It is more likely that Spain joins after Italy falls. Or that invading Spain ruins the invasion of Russia and the whole thing goes completely differently.

>pro-democracy

basic whiggery

Have you ever?
Seriously, have you?
Well, I know.

>we
fuck off

Homosexuality was classified as either a mental illness or a crime in most of the civilized world all the way into the second half of the 20th century, mate.

...

CIA wanted and the USA forced democracy as their tool of control during the cold war. That and the creation of the European union to create a tame vassal where the two moves that interested the CIA the most in Spain. The CIA most likely killed Carrero Blanco and threatened Juan Carlos to do the same, and Juan Carlos just let the Americans fuck him in the ass. After that Spain was forced to join NATO bia a soft coup d'etat and to sell all the public industries to join the EU as soon as possible. That and forcing the country to take wages of human garbage from South America and Africa to please the lobbists from the EU is going to destroy the country,if it is not destroyed alredy. Unemployment after Felipe Gonzalez sold the country was on average a 17%. With Franco it was on average a 3%. If you are happy about the destruction of our country so be it. You are just one of the multiple spineless faggots that I have to share the country with that are eager to sell the country to the EU for good dog points.

they werent just 'fine with it', just look at dannunzio and all the shit he got up to

who will tell a fascist he is not allowed to fuck boipussy?
the pope?
is there such a thing as a hole youre not allowed to rape?
is that something like property you are ''not allowed'' to steal or a law youre ''not allowed'' to break? well thats kind of the point isnt it?

fascism is a bit more complicated than some anons think, because its way way simpler than they care to admit

theres a reason why fascism has no doctrine, theres a reason why its all about power and violence, its not about submitting to power, its precisely about ussurping it, the great leader allows for domination by proxy, the hierarchy is a hunting/fighting group, organisation and discipline merely facilitate the game, make it more efficient, a enemy is just a excuse, a mental target, violence is the goal, its a need, the means is the end

fascism has a whole lot in common with anarchism, fundamentaly its about freedom, its just the direction thats different

its not a coincidence most footbal fanclubs are basicaly fascist, its a game, a ritual enactment of power

>lesser evil
How were they an evil?

> If we are to eliminate the fundamentally negative aspects of fascism we can't be distracted with satire or edginess.

Nobody here is or should be on some sort of a crusade to "eliminate" anything, if we were, we wouldn't be shitposting on Veeky Forums. We're just trying to have a pleasant discussion. The edgy /pol/ posters are bad for this board simply because they're unfunny and derail the conversation, not because they're the target of our cleansing wrath.

I know pretty well the story of the republic. It started with a coup d'etat in 1931 and it turn into chaos as the republican leaders were inept enough that the Spanish population supported their ideas, and because of these they started agression. First in the 1934 coup and later on when they stopped the recount in 1936. The army upset decided to put an end to the chaotic mess. Mola and Sanjurgo wanted to implement a different republic and pull out Azaña and his cronnies of the goverment while Franco wanted to put the monarchy back in charge. Depicting the coup of 1936 as a fascist and reactionary movement is just the dumb fuckery that historians are forced to do to fit their narratives.

>theres a reason why fascism has no doctrine

What is 'The Doctrine of Fascism' by Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile?

In an ideal world Spain would be anarchist right now. Realistically though they never had a chance

>ideal world
>anarchist

>In an ideal world Spain would be anarchist right now

Anarchism is like the polar opposite of (what most people think of when they say) communism
Catalonya was an utopia

>Catalonya was an utopia

His only mistake was crowning the wrong branch.

Hey that's cool. What other images do you have? They'll come in handy when I have nothing to say too

>Say something totally retarded
>Believes he deserves a serious answer

Q is queer
I is intersex
A is asexual

>mutants and incels are now sexual orientations

Homage to Catalonia portrays the place as a complete shit hole. And that's written by someone on their side.

Only commietards disagree, and who really cares what they think?

2 spirit.
Basically, some spear chuckers in bumfuck nowhere made up a third gender to explain away homos.

>effective in combat
Pfft
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia_Offensive
I guess they started fighting each other when they realised they were about to be raped, like crabs in a bucket.

>basically some spear chucker
So an Australian

Oh, I guess executing a +MILLION people is something a good guy does. The "red terror" going on at the same time was a drop in the bucket compared to that of the nationalists. If historians have a bias against Franco, it's because they're not a bunch of edgy rightist LARPers.

Source on the anarchists fighting each other? I had never heard of that.

>executing a +MILLION people
[citation needed]

He stopped the Red Terror before it got worse.

That number just keeps getting bigger and bigger, huh?

I think he meant this.
>Only Madrid and a few other strongholds remained for the Republican forces. On 5 March 1939 the Republican army, led by the Colonel Segismundo Casado and the politician Julián Besteiro, rose against the prime minister Juan Negrín and formed the National Defence Council (Consejo Nacional de Defensa or CND) to negotiate a peace deal. Negrín fled to France on 6 March, but the Communist troops around Madrid rose against the junta, starting a brief civil war within the civil war. Casado defeated them, and began peace negotiations with the Nationalists, but Franco refused to accept anything less than unconditional surrender.
But that was after Catalonia fell.

I know it's a work of fiction, but Hemingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls does a good job depicting how atrocities were in the Spanish Civil War. Pretty much everyone fucking sucked, and if you were unlucky enough to be caught on the wrong side of the border when the war flared up in your area you were fucked.

The atrocities of the Republican side tend to be somewhat whitewashed because the movement was far more disorganized, making it easier to detach the Republicans as a whole from the incidents and blame the atrocities on independent local actors (usually commies or anarchists). However, it's likely the same kind of independent atrocities were the norm on the Nationalist side.

There are less than 50k official execution decrees.I don't know where the fuck you people are getting those retarded numbers.

Carlism is massively underrated desu.

>1/2 the fascists are peaceful

>Their ideology inherently reinforces the societal structures that oppress women, the LGBTIQA+ community and people of color

Gas yourself.

>Source on the anarchists fighting each other? I had never heard of that.

I guess you have never talked to an anarchist then.

In an ideal world there'd be no Spain, just a bunch of Iberian nations like Castille, Basque Country, Galicia, Catalonia, etc.

Yeah, probably. And for the rest of the world too.

that's fucking retarded

micro-nationalism when?