How did the Kim dynasty become a thing? Weren’t communists opposed to hereditary rulership?

Communist China has immediately adopted a 10 year rotation cycle for political leadership.

>Hitler was a commie i guess.
No, but Mussolini was.

It might have started as Communism but Juche is something different.

communist theory != communist reality
we know that for some time now.

I am as Communist as at gets, but it's idiotic to deny that DPRK is a product of a Communist ideology. And a pretty mediocre one at that.

>the means of production under control of the proletariat
>not communist

Pick one.

Which is exactly true if you omit the world "communist" entirely

It always starts as communism, until the big guy takes over, executes the commies and then you end up with personality cult and something like Stalinism or whatever.
And it happened again and again because it is a system immanent flaw.

Could it have something to do with east asian culture?

Kim Jong Il's succession was presented as a selfless act that was opposed by his father. The same for Un's. They present it as something the people genuinely want.

Haven't seen much personality cult in liberal democracies lately. Also, no dictators for life or dynasties.

>And it happened again and again because it is a system immanent flaw.
If a system had an immanent flow, Communism would be dead, pretty much like Nazism, and not a major global ideology it is now.

Now you're just being a retard calling everything Hitler.

But Communism is dead, it collapsed 1990 and now nobody wants them, nowhere.

> Does not follow a set of policy that could be described as socialistic
Except everything being public property, no private property, a planned economy, and generally anti-fascist/ anti-capitalist views.

To answer OP's question: North Korea isn't technically a hereditary state. In fact, if Kim gets out of line he can be voted out of office by the "parliament". The only reason it has functioned as such is because everyone finds it really convenient to exploit the cult of personality surrounding the Kim dynasty. He isn't as powerful as he seems.

>But Communism is dead, it collapsed 1990 and now nobody wants them, nowhere.
Collapsed in a single state and its' satellites, still retaining overwhelming support in metropolitan regions. Maintains a massive political control in this day and age, gained a few more countries and territories since 1990.
A sister ideology of Socialism is likewise powerful.

>North Korea isn't technically a hereditary state.
Yes, but de facto it is a hereditary state.

Reality check is, communism is dead. there is no relevant communist party in the entire western world and communists are farther away from taking over power than they've ever been before.

>still retaining overwhelming support in metropolitan regions
u wut m8?

>North Korea
>right wing

>Reality check is, communism is dead. there is no relevant communist party in the entire western world
But plenty of Socialist parties. Secretary General of the UN is a socialist.
>in the entire western world and communists are farther away from taking over power than they've ever been before.
How about the entire world, though?
>u wut m8?
Russians, in particular and former Soviet citizens in general approve of it.

Social democrats != communists
And if commie leftovers in the former USSR are all you can come up with then we kinda agree on communisms current power level.
Like communism is relevant for Cuba, Nepal and North Korea, and that's about it. And it doesn't look like anyone is planing a revival anytime soon.

>Russians, in particular and former Soviet citizens in general approve of it.
Last parliamentary elections, 13.3%. And that is in Communisms promised land itself. Doesn't get much deaded.

My point being, Kim is a puppet god emperor. If he decides to do something radical he will be deposed immediately. The real power lies in the system.

>I am ad communist as it gets

What's it like being 16 years old in 2017?

I'm smart enough to disregard stupid little insults.

List of current Communist states: China, Vietnam, Cuba, Lao, Korea.
List of states with communist parties in (fluctuating) power: Nepal, Guyana, Cyprus, Moldova, India (Several states).
Less than liberal republics, but more than anything else.
>Social democrats != communists
There is no necessary ideological difference between the two, only the tactical one. You couldn't even call Salvador Aliende one or the other, and Communists were social democrats to begin with.

Communism is a driving force in the third and second world.

Yes, hard to imagine it can get much more sad, a bunch of 3rd world shitholes and hypercapitalistic China.
Guess the proletarian world revolution is called off then.

that is not practically or officially the case in the revised constitution

>Yes, hard to imagine it can get much more sad
No, it's not that hard. Everything else except Neoliberalism is much more sad. And neoliberalism's dominance is pretty unstable currently.

Even in 2nd and 3rd world it is a niche ideology and that tells a lot, given that less developed countries are much more gullible and much more prone to authoritarian ideologies.
What's worse, there is literally zero (0) first world countries where Marxism is the leading ideology in stark contrast to Marxist theory.

Sorry, but I can't hear you over all the economical development and social welfare I got. You got to cry louder!

You do know that the first ideologically Marxist government was formed in Germany, and one in Britain was more or less simultaneous with October Revolution?

Marx&Engels have also predicted that there is room for legal reform in countries like Britain or America, but not in ones like Germany itself or Russia. Which is, indeed, a stark coincidence.

Yes, and reality is that the UK is still a liberal democracy and not a communist people's republic and that the GDR ended on the dust heap of history with the Commies being a niche party for nostalgia fans in eastern Germany.

>Marx&Engels have also predicted
the total downfall of Capitalism during their lifetime. Apparently that never happened, we even reached post industrial age now and their predictions didn't come true. On the contrary, Communism is so btfo that it only matters in some of the least developed countries on earth.

Hereditary monarchy is the natural government of man. All government types eventually fall back in line.

>socialism is when government does stuff

Nope. It's oligarchic republic, a tribal council.

The planed economy / no private property thing is a give away dear brainlet.

This is your brain on burger king

>Kimiljungilist-kimilsongilist Marxism-Leninism
>close to anything resembling communism even in theory
It's closer to a mafia state with a cult of personality and a weird racialist doctrine.

>implying the righ left divide is about economic freedoms

Oh sorry, ofc you are right, North Korea totally has a free market economy and is totally a capitalist country.
Why can't you be a smart Commie like this guy

... are you braindead?
What you're saying is that even if communism looks good in theory it fails in practice. The problem here is that the NK system isn't communist in the first place.

You might want to read Marx on his preferred economical system ;-)

Basically, they drift their founder and logically assume that those related to him will be Just as good.
Basically North Korea is what happens to a country if you apply Stalin's original thesis and continue to do it well after ww2. Like all the way into 2018 apparently.

If having a command/palace econony makes you commie then a majority of states in history would be considered communist/socialist.
Btw i'm neither commie nor leftist and i'm not denying DPRK had a communistic origin

They all come around eventually

>a devout catholic that has on numerous times insisted on the importance of dialogue between "entrepreneurs" and workers and has fully embraced blairite neoliberalism is socialist
???

So it is just another classic episode of Communist state turns into personality cult shithole? In what way does that redeem communism? And at what point in time did they Switch from true blue communism to whatever it is now?

Marx didn't invent leftism.
The right-left meme has it's origin in the french revolution in wich the capitalist liberals where the left while the aristocracy where the right.
It's only in Burgerland that right wing/conservarism equals free market capitalism.
Unfortunatly the burgers have to spread their autism to the rest of the west

>Marx didn't invent leftism.
No, he did invent Marxism, one of the main subjects of this discussion dear IQ200 user.

Yes and what is your point?

When you're desperate you'll grasp at every straw.
>No no no, Communism isn't dead!!!

That the DPRK is communist in nature.

How?

By being a product of Communist ideology, founded by Marxists on Marxist theory and slowly evolved into the abomination it is today.

>a major global ideology

The Korean War kinda fucked any ideal of communism to the ground for most North Korean officials of the time. The soldiers who later returned to rule the ruble that was post war North Korea are embittered brainwashed idiots. These people wholeheartedly believed in the divinity of the Kim dynasty and find seek to drill this thought into everyone in their country.
North Korea is what happened when an entire country suffered from PTSDs. Juche is communism on PTSDs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche

Clearly you weren't paying attention to Trump's election campaign then.

Truth to be told, I really didn't pay much attention, courtesy of not being a fatty. Guess I must have missed all those 100 foot statues of Trump erected all over the country and all those school classes from Kentucky, doing a pilgrimage to the dear leader.

>another Not Real Communism thread

Why do the Not Real Communists never shut the fuck up about how their retarded ideology has never been tried?

Orwellian brainwashing is a hell of a drug.

>fucked any ideal of communism to the ground
fun thing, this happened in every single communist country ever. And Marxists still don't understand why that happens.

>Koreans have a chinese concept ingrained in them
>Chinese themselves don't

Brainlets get out.

A military dictatorship ruled over by a hereditary family is the... proletariat now?