Empire is completely fucked and collapsing

now that the dust has settled, did he really do anything wrong?

He has [spoiler]bigger dick than me[/spoiler]

just how many times did this happen in Roman history? you'd figure they'd realize they had a chronic problem with absolute cunts murdering their saviors

>between 4 emperors
What are you talking about? Within living memory of Aurelian's reign there had been like 20 emperors.

It's always an issue of internals within the society looking for their short term interest, rather than the long term interest of the society. So the rich will screw everyone over so they get richer, but that makes society weaker and leads to civil war. Or some jerk will kill the emperor so they become ruler, but that kills a great leader and harms the empire.

Humans are just selfish dicks basically.

How much do you care if YOU are going to get caught embezzling and have your severed head displayed on a milestone somewhere?
Anyway, the empire would have been better off properly split into 3. It was too fucking big to defend properly.

No, Aurelian should have given clemency and acquittal to some minor offences so everybody would believe to be the one that will be spared by him for their honesty.

the romans involved in the murder of ceaser understood that he was the savior of Rome and perhaps the greatest military mind of the era but if he were to assume absolute power then the institution of emperor would be created and would not die with ceaser but would remain and as we know from hindsight the intuition isn't the best at filtering out the Machiavellian genocidal psychopath's. *cough nero cough that the republic system was created to stop.

Dude, finish your sentence.

>Ricimer
just googled the dude and this is the fucking picture they have of him. Was he retarded?

Julius Caesar should have been killed because he was not fit to be the sole ruler of the Roman Empire. Because he was a demagouge who murdered scores of Romans out of self-preservation and then betrayed his own base by becoming King despite everyone being told that he did not want to be king. At that point he just bribed everyone he could which ended up being hungry peasants and looted the treasury, so there was no hope for the Romans if he was not dead. Because this psychopath was cannibalizing Rome.

sorry mate twas a fit of rage at the autistic tunnel vision of the post.

portraying the civil war as ceasers jaunt through the empire killing as he seen fit is such a mischaracterisation to suit a narrative. he was Romes greatest asset who had accomplished so much in Spain France Germany and Britain. He quite ritghtly took issue with the term limits so decided to keep his legions it was cicero and pompey who started the war.

Your enemies starting a war doesn't mean you get to become a tyrant and turn the country into your personal playhouse.

That's a generated portrait from Crusader Kings II.

If it wasn’t Julius Caesar, it would have been some other astronomically wealthy individual monopolizing economic, military, religious, and political power, the conservatives assassinating him was pretty much the most devastating thing they could have done for the Republic because it sparked a nationalist uprising lead by the military who seized total control and installed one of their own as the de facto richest rich guy in Rome.

>Start illegal wars
>slaughter untold number of Gauls
>all for his personal finances
>kill thousands
>get called out for it
>respond by invading them and taking over

The Republic did not only survive the civil war that ensured, it involved and improved by becoming an Empire. Who was fit to be the sole ruler of Rome because the remaning senators who had become and were aristocrats were of the proper platonic form to create a king worthy of being emperor.
>could've been anyone
no, an aristocracy can only make a king by vote, letting someone murder his way into tyranny would've turn Rome into another flash-in-the-pan Empire that crumbles into nothing. Read Ozymandias.

the contradictions of the empire became too large. it could no longer sustain its ratitos and fell to peices. like some times it has good people show up but it failed to live up to the fight provided by barbarians of more direct immediate impact.

aurelian is literally just heraclius if heraclius had died right after the byzantine-sasanian war of 602-628

I guarantee you that if he hadn't been killed then he would have been shown to be an idealistic draconian tyrant.

AH yes. Like being a christian not being a cocksucking loser that can fight for five minutes so they sold themselves into slavery.

Fuck off

t. Diocletian

WHO LET YOU OUT OF MY DUNGEON

Except Heraclius was solidly BTFO for a whole decade and Egypt, Palestine and most of the Balkans were lost under his watch before he started to get his shit together.

Whereas Aurelian was kicking the living shit out of everyone who came up against his right out of the gate

>what is human nature

The Palmyrene "Empire" was the most pathetic thing to happen since Carthage

>>Lose Dacia and Agri Decumati
>>Decide to attack the Persian Empire instead

Best Emperah!

>Lose Dacia

He deliberately abandoned that backwards indefensible shithole for a reason. Blame that overrated faggot Trajan for leaving the conquest of Dacia unfinished in the first place.

Palmyra and Aurelian's Rome are for plebs

The Gallic Empire was the true successor to Republican Rome

lol

>p-please mister LVCIVS DOMITIVS AVRELIANVS AVGVSTVS don't hurt me, i'll surrender if you promise to let me live

Tragic

The true successor was the usurper Constantine III.

>>Lose Dacia and Agri Decumati
What said. It was abandoned because the Empire could not protect it and it opened a way for a potential invasion from beyond the Danube
>>Agri Decumati
Bitch he regained it and it was lost AFTER his death

>>Decide to attack the Persian Empire instead
Rome needed money. Where else to get it than the rich empire bordering India and near China?

>Dacia

Province richest in gold and silver mines with a large latin speaking population.

>Mesopotamia

Desert shithole open to easy attacks from Persia

Choose it user.

>Desert shithole

>Province richest in gold and silver mines

why would you want more gold ands silver in the middle of a crisis caused by heavy inflation? the earnings you'd get from coining money wouldn't amount for the costs of extracting it, moving it and minting it. More money makes money worth less.

>with a large latin speaking population.

no way.

>Sneaks out of army to surrender
>Still lets the armies duke it out
>Romano-Gallic army absolutely BTFO
>Lives a comfy life back in Italy for surrendering

read GIBBON

>Create system of government where absolute power is vested in one man
>Have that man be effectively appointed by the military.
>Have the military be the only powerbase able to actually do anything in the Empire

The military ruled Rome, and it was not uncommon that the desires of those in the military went against that Rome. And when you're in line to be executed, it doesn't matter how great the Emperor seems to be, he's still the guy that's going to execute you, and you're going to do everything in your power to live. And since courts of law don't exist when it comes to the decree of the Emperor, the only recourse you have left is to kill him. Continuous assassination was inevitable once Augustus chose to reform Rome into a secret military dictatorship.

Found the romanian

WE WERE KHANZ!