2016

***only if you've never

Kek this is so accurate

This

Nice.

Yeah I really don't see the appeal of permanently fucking up your hormones and having everyone accuse you of cheating.. Why not just enjoy going to the gym and putting in the time and effort like everyone else does, you can still get big & strong as fuck natty, most of the cunts jabbing are insecure manlets with no work ethic or drive (not including legit cunts competing)

>you can still get big & strong as fuck natty

Examples?

Lmfao

You'd rather waste years in the gym and money on shit supplements rather than doing an hour of research online?

I dont understand people who can't handle taking drugs or roids its like they can't do any research on their own.

>money on shit supplements

Stop this meme already.

You dont permanently fuck up your hormones, its not supported by any study. Your body always recovers.

That's like saying working a high paying job for less hours means you have less of a work ethic than someone working 12 hour days at min wage.

STFU, u shillin bitch.
> hour of research
Fuck off, even if you can become knowledgeable on the topic in an hour (you fucking can not) this is a decision that can utterly ruin your body, and that's if you're lucky.
The risks are undeniably huge.
Please tell me how it is less complicated than I made it out to be.
I'm waiting.
Shower me in the simplicity.

i'm going to compete in the olympics so its not time for me to cash in my natty card yet

I have bad news for you son

>Your body always recovers.

How naive are you?

> your body always recovers
Somebody please make this a bumper sticker.

both of you please elaborate.
I want to start first cycle but the only thing im afraid is that I will fuck something up and give perm damage like perm lower test or infertility

It's so hilarious to read this shit, kek. How fucking sad, people actually think you can cruise on test for years and be totally fine afterwards.

Meanwhile I hear stories from actual docs all day every day that deal with retarded /fraud/ people in their 50s with non existing livers that are in a horrible condition, kek.

I guarantee they were blasting tren, or test at a high dose.

I roided when I was 19 and when I stopped my sex drive was back completely normal after a month, never had any weird side effects, and I didn't even need an AI on cycle. I had bloods taken a few months after cycle in order to get prescribed adderall and everything was normal. I even maintained fucking my gf on pct. Maybe I'm lucky but it works for me.

Just dont cycle for longer than 16weeks and you'll recover in a month with a good pct.

Whats up with all the roid shilling these days?

>tfw making natty gains
Feels good, I don't want to look like OPs pic, I'm aiming for swimmer mode anyways. Good luck to the roiders anyways

> actual docs all day every day that deal with retarded /fraud/ people in their 50s with non existing livers that are in a horrible condition,
>livers
>pinning
>implying peoples livers aren't fucked from alcohol anyway

Research MOAR desu

>me
>been on various forms of TRT for 9 years
>been lifting 5 years
>made decentish gains at 100mg test per week in that time.
>never bothered upping the dose as it would mean buying extra illegally.
>accidentally leave vial of test on the sink in work bathroom
>everyone suspects me straight away.
>panic and deny everything because I don't want to explain that my nuts never worked properly

Fucking hell.

oh and to make it even worse, people at work now think my mediocre physique is purely down to high doses of steroids.

Are you fertile or not?

>roiding for OP's pic

Pretty much 99% not.

Doc said it would be extremely lucky to get someone pregnant naturally.

Seems with my luck I probably would knock up the first woman I risk it with.

>this is a decision that can utterly ruin your body, and that's if you're lucky.

that's a bit of an overstatement.

Ruining how? Why is that the outcome if one's lucky?

The real issue with gear is that a lot of the "horror" stories is gear-heads running iteratively complex (read high dose, multi-compound cycles). Mostly its an outlet for some deep routed insecurity and the desire to "get as big as possible" manifests. There's also a strong correlation between this group and recreational drug taking and depression.

However, moderate dose test of 500mg is fine. Take bloods once per month (can do this online these days) to monitor estrogen and figure out appropriate dosing of asin or similar to counter.

This I think you'll find is a reasonably safe protocol that a doctor might advise if a patient insisted he was going to take exogenous test.

source me: endocrinologist specialising in doping in sports.

which it is.... mediocre that is.

Well, it isn't down to HIGH doses of roids, was my point.

I know without the test I'd still look like a woman with no tits, if I hadn't killed myself already.

How long can you supply your own testosterone before your body decides to never produce it again?

>Your natty way won't lead you anywhere
and where will roiding lead me, exactly?

To having a physique and strength levels that are only achievable with steroids
Duh!

...

>How long can you supply your own testosterone before your body decides to never produce it again?

Indefinitely because your body will always recover.

Mark Henry. You said big and strong. Not aesthetic.

The really sad thing is, most of you will read what I wrote and think of something like this.

No one save for a few people will understand WHY telling people to do steroids to get bodies that are only achievable with steroids and have been paraded around as natural and a result of hardwork to them since before they could understand the concepts of exercise is fucked up.

Lmao. There have been very few long term studies, if any. How are you supposed to know if data is essentially non existant?

Good question.

There are studies in the literature of exogenous test application for 12 months (large scale, I believe it was China from memory) as contraceptive measure, with natural reoccurrence of endogenous test taking up to 6 months in some edge-cases. NB This was WITHOUT any PCT.

Most sane athletes cycle circa 12 weeks at a time, maybe once or twice per year.

When you hear someone say "blast and cruise" they're making a decision to stay on for life... I can't vouch for the ability for the body to recover naturally (within reasonable time frames) its natural test production after months if not years of prolonged exposure to supra-normal levels of a cocktail of testosterone and its synthetic analogues.

With drugs its likely test production can be re-started in almost every case. I mean by a specialist, not the dealer at the gym.

No the fuck it won't.
If you fuck up on gear or certain pro-hormones your body will NEVER fucking recover.
That's a fucking fact.

Not supported by any research its just a thing people say on forums. Someone on fraud got in a car accident and stopped a 2 year long cruise no pct and recovered after a few months. You won't fuck up unless you take roids for 6+ months and then its still unlikely.

It's a fact huh? Why don't you link a citiation for this fact

This has never, ever been proven.

It might take a very longtime, it might suck. But it will EVENTUALLY recover. There is,no such thing as permanent suppression

what kind of a moron could fuck up on a test enanthate 250 mg cycle ?

Seeing transformations like this makes me want to roid.

can confirm this is really what it's like and how it sounds like when ive given advice to friends who are interested in roiding
>blast and cruise for 10 months now
>done test, tren, dbol and winny
had slight gyno from taking and dropping AI when I thought I had high estrogen, I should have tapered it down but for some reason forgot about estrogen rebound, b4 that had no estrogen problems without AI even at 750mg test a week
fixed it with a month of suffering with letro almost completely and now I take nolva ED just in case and to get rid of the rest of my gyno

i regret taking arimidex erry month, now i wont dare to try run over 200mg test without nolva

By recover you mean producing test on your own? Yeah.
But by recover you mean producing normal tesosterone?
No, you're pretty much stuck on it, and have to cruise for the rest of your life.

Steroids are part of our permissive consumer culture.

Working hard and delaying gratification leads to joy. Steroids, other recreational drugs, casual sex are pleasures.

Learn the difference between pleasure and joy.

>
>It's a fact huh? Why don't you link a citiation for this fact

ok, here's one to get you started on YOUR research. let me know in a few years when you've got your MD, have run clinical trials and we'll compare notes.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12574181

i'm poster from these two

Fuck this im staying natty

Would it be fair to say that the gains that make test supplementation "worth it" are in that region you cannot vouch for?
Is using extra test just once for 12 weeks of ones life time to ensure good health worth it?

Kek enjoy getting cancer from the nolva

no. quite the opposite.

sheep believe jeff seid is natty

there is no hope for them

That's false

So basically the burden of proof is on ME???

You're the one making the fucking claim idiot

just stick the needle in your ass you dumb sock who cares if its natural? you wanna be a skelly your whole life? wow

Your source specifically says it was reversible
>no significant changes in serum chemistry occurred during the study. The results showed that monthly TU injection at a dose of 500 mg after an initial loading dose of 1000 mg can effectively, safely, and reversibly suppress spermatogenesis in healthy Chinese men without serious adverse effects

honestly, what's the point of gearing for that? I could just go on a bitch diet and maybe not be as defined but still have visible abs and look way better

And hit that user with the car.

I want to cycle on 250mg test enanthate and go off
wat do ?

Cheaters BTFO

fuck you bitch i don't have bitch tits

okay i do but half of them came from puberty

isn't that study saying like 95% of men were infertile after the treatment?

can you break the study down for the common person please

This is what it sounds like every single time someone tries to convince me to start juicing

Are you low test?

no
I weight 147 tho
5'8
%11 bodfat
>haha manlet kys,no amount of gains can save you
I don't care

>t. internet doctor

everytime i check the cheater threads its basically this.

>Not knowing what arimidex or aromasin is and what it does

Seriously kill yourself m8

It'll lead me to being natty, which is all I really want. What is pinning supposed to lead me too?

But you see how dumbass gymcels could easily fall for shit like OP's bait and end up blasting and cruising or overdosing or creating dumbass stacks thus ruining their bodies like the other user posted, right? It's not something you can just fuck about with.

A friend of mine casually told his friend about SARMs and the stupid fuck ended up running ungodly amounts of osta for like a year. I'm not sure of the details but he fucked up his test production and other aspects of his endocrine system but not irreparably.

Depends how you define it Mr. Dysmorphia

towards improving your life a lot?

>no work ethic or drive
This. If you hate it so much that you're willing to take a risk like that, assuming you aren't a pro competitor/athlete, why lift at all?

Why do you hate the gym so much, guy?

How?

better confidence, better body, better mindset, younger, stronger, manlier?

test is literally the fountain of youth

So your opinion is worth more than his?

I don't know how to get a hold of steroids.

He didn't write nor read the post. He's a fuckboy. Ignore him.

online

reddit sst

It would just make me bald. I'm losing hair very slowly but im making decent gains natty, it's even working on the laydeez. Roiding and balding just isn't for me

literally can't be that hard without tren

This, well done

subtle

just look up long term side effects of steroid use on google

put me in the screencap