Why aren't more people on testosterone?

>Having to cruise the rest of your miserable life in hopes of not losing your gains after you quit injecting

No thanks.

You can definitely do a couple of cycles without being in danger of losing the gains you made. Some of the benefits of being on steroids are permanent.

We specifically were talking test but AAS in general I guess

Either way roids aren't useful in most sports. They mostly make you big but not strong, at least pound for pound. Which is generally pretty bad for most non strength sports since it'd likely mske you a worse athlete

Only if you're predisposed to it

>without being in danger of losing the gains you made.

But you are full of shit.

If you're in the U.S you can fake having low testosterone and then go to the doctor to get a prescription.

Boardshorts did two 250mg/ week cycles and kept his strength gains

How do you fake a blood test? are Americans that fucking retarded? you waltz in and blow wind out of your mouth and suddenly get prohibited substances?

No wonder your country is a shit hole, m8.

>Anecdotal evidence

Yeah you're right, injecting yourself once a week sounds like too much work. Besides, when you're older it's better to look like a weak piece of shit

Most roid related shit is anecdotal because the research simply isn't there.

You're as useless as an ashtray on a motorcycle.

Well what do you want?

Im saying it isn't empirical evidence because there is none. Cruising forever isn't that awful btw. I don't see you'd be so opposed to it?

Consider it like any other illness you need to take medication for. Except you're not ill and you feel great

>It, it's not trust me it's not anecdotal evidence!
>Hahaha so what??? like so what if you have to cruise forever it feels good bro

You Americans truly are thicker than a cinder block, no wonder you cant into intellect or politics.

They don't blood test people you complete idiot, it's a urine test, which you do at home. Eat like shit, don't sleep and your levels will be low, and secondly the FDA has never defined what hormone deficiency is, the doctor can interpret the results how he wants. And thirdly if you think that you will lose the gains you made after a cycle of 250mg a week for a couple of weeks you should just leave this thread.

You're just throwing ad hominems and trying to make anyone who replies to you look dumb.

You don't really have much to say. What is wrong with cruising forever?

no it's a blood test but the rest still applies

>it's not a blood test

Found the dyel

>another steroid shilling thread

Someone must have started a business selling them kek

>no it'a blood test
Yeah, it must be because you say so. You also believe that you can't get your test levels low by purpose, that you will lose all of your gains after a 250mg cycle and you have no idea about anything affecting anti-aging or steroids.

what about canada?

I've gotten my testosterone(and other shit checked) over 5 times so far

It is a blood test.

I didnt say anything else you said was wrong

You do lose your gains when your cycle is over by the way. Anyone who denies this is a trolling moron. Your body doesn't ''need'' that extra 15 pounds of lean muscle you gained from your cycle. As soon as your natural test production is back to a normal human level, it will simply say ''well fuck all this useless shit''.

How do you fake having low testosterone? Tell your doctor you started taking an interest in tranny porn?

>In america they collect your urine to check your testosterone

They probably do check testosterone levels, they use sewage treatment plants to see how many drugs are being consumed in different communities so I don't see why they wouldn't be using the same method to check other things.

You keep some, provided you eat and train well

Also cell nuclei makes it easier to build muscle after, permanently

It's just what OP believes - he is a huge troll and just shit posted with another
>MUH steroids
>MUH no side effects
thread.

>roids make you bigger but not stronger
>roids are a bad idea for athletes

Geez yeah, I guess that explains why so many star athletes get caught roiding

Yea it's performance enhancing drugs for sports.

To a certain extent and only in a few sports that benefit from it

Most of the benefit from steroids is mass. Naturally lifting you can get quite strong, but there is evidence to show that natties of the same weight as roiders are stronger.

Suggesting that something makes natural strength athletes muscle somehow more capable

1 gram? 5 grams?! You're retarded.

Those are actually pretty common amounts for bodybuilding. I've heard of higher but those guys are serious outliers.

Somewhere along the line the dosages got ridiculous and the broscience about how potent gear is got equally insane.

Generaly what's the scope of risk to your heart at those low doses, especially if you commit to cycling steadily for years or even cruising?

It's hard to extrapolate exactly, but you're probably looking at three or four times the risk of heart issues compared to a normal person. Which isn't as big as you'd think because the initial risk isn't that high but it is enough to be noticeable even in people using 'true' TRT doses which are a mile below what most people consider low doses.

There's literally about a 10% increase in pound for pound strength.

Along with denser neuron signalling, higher coordination (especially at high speeds), and more explosiveness.

You dont know shit.

10% increase in wilks, not pound for pound.

Been heeding the warnings not to plunge into gear without research, but unsure at what point I can consider myself knowledgeable enough.

Is there anything you missed when you started cycling that you regretted not knowing beforehand?

Fucking hell are you retarded? The wilks coefficient is literally based on strength and bodyweight on a (mostly irrelevant now) curve.

Wilks measures pound for pound strength. If someone benches 140kg at 75kg and another benches 150 at 75, he'll have the higher wilks

You're trying to suggest that having a higher amount of skeletal muscle relative to total mass could make you weaker. I could see how it could potentially make someone slower if they were top of the line genetically, as there is a lot of structural and tendon weirdness involved in sprinting, but STRENGTH?

Wilks isn't a straight pound for pound comparison. Adding 10% to your wilks is nowhere near the same thing as adding 10% straight relative strength.

>You're trying to suggest that having a higher amount of skeletal muscle relative to total mass could make you weaker

I've never said that. I'm just saying that the data on strength gains from steroids came back suggesting a ~10% gain in wilks. Which is not the same thing as being 10% stronger in either relative or absolute terms.

Are you not the user claiming sterioids make you weaker pound for pound?

No, I'm not.

They theoretically could (via blowing up your bodyweight significantly faster than your strength), but you'd need to royally fuck things up for that to happen and it'd only be a short term thing while your strength catches up to the weight gain. And you'd need to be in a sport where relative strength matters significantly more than absolute strength for it to be a problem.

Neuromotor gains happen at the same rate so strength would keep up.

There is no way having a higher amount of skeletal muscle relative to total bodyweight is going to make anyone weaker pound for pound.

One week lads.
First pin on Thursday!

Being as I already look better then 70% of Veeky Forums natty, I fully intend to leave humanity behind.

That said, OP is a cunt.
You can't perpetually cruise without consequences, and you need other compounds on hand if you're susceptible to estro sides and probably need HCG if you prefer not to have nuts the size of raisins.

YouTube "Rich Piana my craziest cycle".

You don't need 100s of case studies to work out how steroids effect the body.

Are you fucking retarded my man?

Theres also relatively little research on glioblastoma, you got any doubt it'll kill your ass fast or is that purely anecdotal?

>I already look better then 70% of Veeky Forums natty
You definitely don't, 50% at best.

not that user but you're fucking retarded if you think even 10% of Veeky Forums looks as good as that.

the average /fitizen/ is fat or skinnyfat.

less than 20% of the entire worlds population would look like that

jesus how delusional are you

Because either figure could be objectively proven.

Twat.

>i look like shit therefore every one looks like shit

no ive just browsed the cbt threads here for a few years.

and thats laughable because cbt threads preselect for the best physiques because only the best would be confident enough to submit their body.

again, tiny minority on Veeky Forums looks like that hands down

if you disagree you're just wrong its that basic.

Thanks bb grl.
So now imagine me on gear.

niga i dont give a fuck bout your ambitions im just callin out a retard who thinks ripped and muscular is the Veeky Forums average.

I doubt he thinks that.
I think he just wanted to put me down for daring to assume I'm in the top 30% without being Zyzzmode.

>natties of the same weight as roiders are stronger
Lol K

thats just cause most roids promote muscle growth more than strength and most of the time your average roider is more into building muscle than strength
in short: its easier gaining muscle than strength on roids

>side effects are basically non-existent
do you mean the possibility that you will irreversibly fuck up you hormones and be FORCED to pin your ass for the rest of your life? I literally run out of space to pin my butt after a week because my whole fucking ass was sore.

Steroids are great when you are ON but you can't pin forever without consequences and getting off is something you never want to experiance. I almost killed myself after going off gear. I feel urge to hop on juice again but i don't know if it's wort it knowing what will happen afterwards.

>big words
>doesn't back it up
Post pic

I'm on 150mg a week permanently and it's mostly because my levels were fucked from constant heroin use . I'm still struggling me with my addiction but I stay on test because it makes the lethargy and depression in withdrawal so much less. I used 350mg a week and I'm just not in a place in my life where that's very beneficial for me. I'd like to get clean or on suboxone and start blasting like 50mg of trest acetate a day and maybe some anavar. Or just 350mg test and 40mg var. maybe some EQ too. Juicing is awesome

Are you fucking retarded my lifts went up 40% on a tren cycle in three months im doing 230kg dls for reps

Test boosters are worthless

Oral steroids are effective but have more health side effects due to your liver doing a lot of work metabolising them

Injectable steroids can still be liver toxic but test injections are fairly benign. Your liver does cleave the ester and process the test but for a healthy person it's nothing. Orals, even mild ones like anavar can trash your lipids much easier than test Alone

You can take oral Tesosterone, it's just expensive and weak, look up test Undec capsules, it's Long ester test also known as nebido but it's mostly used in Europe.

Make sure you know what the diff between oral steroid and test boosters are. Test boosters , usually herbal stuff, do work to give you a slight raise in natural production, but dollar for dollar it will never come close to steroids, and you could get the same boost by sleeping better, modifying your diet, watching action movies, really.

Test boosters are herbal crap. You're talking about oral steroids. Test boosters are like ummm tribullis long jack xma etc. they won't hurt a healthy liver.

Oral steroids are inherently liver toxic due to methylation, and there's some other factors. They will slightly increase your risk of liver cancer , as will many things, and if you abuse them for long period of time and don't take TUDCA or Sam-E or milk thistle or any number of liver Support drugs, you'll suffer from minor choleostasis (impaired bile flow) and this can lead to serious consequences. Hepatitis, jaundice, etc the first signs are fatigue, lack of appetite, yellows eyes and skin (jaindice) very light pale stool and lots of fat undies red, abdominal pain, gallstones, pancreatitis

If you take oral steroids really do your research and learn how to use TUDCA

You're so full of it. Testostrone gives increased motivation, sense of well being, higher RBC count, horniness, strength, mass, better sleep, etc. Steroids help everyone from table tennis players to football quarterbacks to extreme sports stuntmen

It's insane because 250mg test a week of any ester is many times peak natural production. Can't imagine how guys like Boston Lloyd and rich piana live. 350mg test cyp a week had my BP so high even on 1mg of arimidex a day. And I gained fuckin 40lb in two months

You're retarded because steroids help in EVERYTHING physical activity related. How can faster recovery increased strength and muscle mass and note agressiin not help any competitive sport ?

You don't know what you are talking about. Steroids won't make you bigger if you don't eat to get bigger, you'll just gain strength and bloat if it's wet and estro gets high,
You can even take dry dht based steroids to keep weight gain minimal while increasing strength

Everything you've said is wrong

You obv don't use juice or are totally new to it

Do us and urself a favour and educate yourself with proper sources instead of repeating what you think your bros know

I actually look forward to my injections. Twice a week with test cyp but I plan to switch to Nebido and do once a week or once every 10 days once I hit the road.

Fwiw you can shoot test subq like insulin, some ppl do it everyday to keep levels stable and reduce AI usage. It works, you just get annoying oil lumps. I prefer IM and if it weren't for scar tissue buildup id shoot everyday. Even then, I use 29g insulin pins, can't imagine much scar tissue from that tiny pin. I'm taking 25mg Aromasin twice a week and I'm thinking I could drop it entirely if I shoot everyday.

He's right though. You do lose a bit of gains once you drop the cycle but some are permanent, especially if you combined with GH. I'm speaking from experience, not what some scientist said whose never lifted a weight in his life. The more I juice the more I realize sometimes you just have to do something to learn about it. I realize your concept and understanding of how juice
Works will lead you to say I'm wrong. But I actually use steroids and I feel some of the gains stay with you.

Dude these guys don't actually juice they just judge you and comment on you for it and tell you some reference from a scientific study. They forget the real world doesn't follow classroom rules

Man you are an annoying twat. Fuck Europeans You are

You obviously haven't run a couple cycles. I quit lifting from an injury after a 350mg a week test cyp cycle and have stayed noticeably bigger than my natural self after a year

i've got a question regarding testosterone prescribed by a doctor. Let's say you got your bloodwork done and you got low test. Doctor presribes you test so you can pin your ass on your own. How much you can get from a doctor? He will tell you for sure to pin some shitty amounts that wont give you any advantage over healhy peoples hormonal range. You can finish one vial in 2 weeks or less depends on how much you pin but what happens next? You have to go again to get another prescription? Or this shit is calculeted individually and you can talk doctor into prescribing amounts that will get you ready for mr O?

I agree with you. This subreddit is full of people who comment on steroids and their effects clearly without having any real experience. I know the general consensus is steroids are a temporary thing but I feel they've permanently changed my body. Maybe because I combined with GH. I'm just bigger. More blood, more bone, more muscle. I am like 15lb heavier than my set point, my joints are noticeably thicker and I feel like I actually grew in the rib cage and shoulders .

This is the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time

How can a natty lifter be stronger lb for lb than the same person but juicing? This is just completely backwards. Some of the stuff I've read today makes me question what kind of bro science babble you poor minds are exposed to

1mg of arimidex is way too high. Unless you're some freak of nature you wouldn't need that much AI for 250mg of test a week. My best guess is you had low estrogen, not high. Too much arimidex will also wreck your lipid profile.

Shit genetics

You are likely going to have left ventricle hyper trophy at such huge doses, lifters get it anyways but combined with juice it's a guarantee. You can take micardis and it will help but a gram of juice is a lot. Lee priest says he never used doses anywhere near that range. What rich piana does is basically drug abuse. Sure you can do it and live to be 90 but you can also smoke and shoot heroin and live to be 110 doesn't mean it's good for you

No amount of clean eating or pharma drugs will protect your lipids at those doses and your liver and kidneys get really taxed. Again, you can do all sorts of things to help but at a point it's just inevitable . Rich piana's heart is probably enlarged significantly. He's a steroid addict

Every steroid user should be on telmisaratan to protect their heart and keep BP in range. It's An amazing drug and super cheap too. A very potent cardio support drug

I don't know how to get it and I'm probably too anti social to form connections who can

Blood pressure and AI. Don't let estrogen creep up, learn the warning signs if you don't have access to regular bloodwork.

Keep a few different AI meds on hand because you might prefer one over the other. I stared with Aromasin and switched to arimidex and now back on aromasin. Keep a SERM like Evista around for emergencies for gyno prevention and if you have to come off. Keep blood pressure meds on hand or better yet just take 80mg telmisaratan everyday and never come off it

Umm... Other than that the best way to learn is to start. 250mg test a week, expect to take Aromasin once or twice a week or a small dose of arimidex everyday. you'll learn how to dial in your dosages. Also put money aside for good bloodwork or else it's all Just a guessing game with you reacting instead of being proactive. Not the end of the world. But it's def safer getting proper bloods

I've been on test for a year straight with no HCG and my balls are maybe 75% of their original size. You're also kind of arrogant and you don't look that good

Wow another dude just laying the bar low . You like to set limits for yourself hey?

Wut? Permanent shutdown has never been proven. I've juiced for a year straight and never pinned my ass. I use insulin needles. Still don't get why roiders love huge cattle size injections. And why the duck do people pin their glutes? Quads are so much easier to hit and you don't gotta sit on it if you got bad PIP

You don't know shit. Everyone is different. I react better to Aromasin than I do arimidex. Dex is weak as shit in my body or my source was crap. I'm also on fin so my estro conversion is higher. I'm tired of guys like you being repeaters of non information. Where in yet steroid rule book does it say what doses are set in stone for what AI you take? Here's a tip: actually go from experience combined with science and not just solely on what you've read

Considering how good I looked before I even touched juice I'm pretty sure my genetics are better than yours fuckboy. This thread just reminded me why I quit Veeky Forums. Have a nice life Autist

And your best guess is wrong retard, I had oily skin, painful nips etc. And want to see the bloodwork? How bout you keep your medical opinion to yourself dr house

are you still on gear? you have problems

>can't handle a stranger on the internet trolling him

Wew lad you're insecure

I think they have you come into the office and get a nurse to do it.

just an announcement that I fully regret coming here. Bunch of fcking repeaters. I use LOGIC and EXPERIENCE. Just cuz my experience doesn't echo what you read in some online forum doesn't mean I'm wrong. I'm on TRT now and the doc gives me 25mg Aromasin twice a week and my bloodwork comes back in range. I also look better and perform at a professional level that you'll never achieve, and I put on muscle by just stretching and doing yoga so if my genetics are shit yours must be fuckig ultimate pleb tier. Keep being you Veeky Forums, I forgot how shitty it was here