Tfw reading about anons with slipped discs, torn rotator cuffs, hernias

Poor analogy my friend. Car accidents are the fourth leading cause of death in the USA. Also, I seriously doubt your graph is counting the countless novice and intermediate lifters training at the gym with little guidance. Injuries in any sport are inevitable regardless, just that they aren't as severe because you aren't going directly against someone else's physical force.

Notice those tats on the left?

>preferences
why not both doe?

Minimum Effective Dose.
If you aren't injuring yourself with ego lifts and desperately trying to up your lifts by another 2 pounds, you're setting yourself up with overuse and repetitive use injuries.

If you lift heavy and are passed the noob gains stage then cut back to lifting heavily only twice a week.
Every 2 months or so you would spend a month doing maintenance workout.
It will consist of 1 set of 3-6 reps of your max of Squat, deadlift, overhead press, bench and chins to max and that's it.
Leave the gym or your weight set and do nothing else.
This is all you need to maintain your strength and mass for the month or two you are cutting back.

If you wan to put on mass or have that old man strength that comes with high repetition of moderately heavy weight, then you can easily do three workouts a week with little fear of injuring yourself.
The 6-15 rep range strength mass and strength endurance.
A split workout with this 3 times a week will give let you leave the gym fresh and not completely fucked.

There is however circuit training and that is awesome ass stuff. But it's probably not doable unless you are in an empty gym or your own workout area.

>all you need
Do you mean to tell me, that in all the decades of heavy lifting, among the millions and millions of heavy lifters, not ONE who warmed up before routine, ate right, rested well and kept correct form, injured himself lifting?

OP, the longer you lift, the higher your chance is of injuring yourself; it might not happen tomorrow, might not happen next year, it could be next decade, but eventually lifting heavy will injure you. Avoid meme exercises like deadlift, bench press and squats, they're fucking atrociously dangerous and are highly unnatural movements.

>squat and deadlift
>highly unnatural movements
lol at this meme post

Picking up shit from the floor, pushing stuff around and getting up ARE natural movements.

If performed with correct form and the appropriate weight there is legit 0,1% chance of you injuring yourself.

If you're well rested, well fed, and respect form and adequate weight, nothing can go wrong.

The only times I got injured were my own fault because I was either too tired or my form was wrong.

tbqh bench is unnatural, there's no nromal situation that will require that kind of motion

but squats are just carrying weight on your back and deadlifts pulling weight from the floor

Well I said that because there ain't no way in hell that he's gonna avoid injuring himself. But those are the ones that are really helping avoid injury. Others are bullshit.

So OP, don't lift if you don't want to get injured.

I prefer both.

wrong, no one does this shit and still make gains.

The real problems are:
>low rep sets
>maxes
>pushing yourself past fatigue for that "cmon bro you got one more rep do it bro wew"
>bad form

> tfw so socially autistic can't even say anything besides
> lol meme

None of those things affect your gains, faggot. Especially warming up, are you retarded? Every single person in the world that makes any decent gains warms up before they lift.

>Avoid meme exercises like deadlift bench press and squats
functional patterns pls go

>they're fucking atrociously dangerous and are highly unnatural movements
[citation needed]

...

Whenever I see women with big asses and thighs I just want to fuck them in the ass, it's like the pussy is not enough.

However with low test qts I have no interest in the asshole, it's all about the cooch.

Why?
Am I alone in this?

>slipped discs, torn rotator cuffs and hernias

I think I actually know more people with these problems that don't lift rather than the other way around. My father has literally had all 3 and has never been to a gym in his life. If done correctly, lifting actually helps prevent these things.

Unnatural as in the exercise themselves.
A weight across your back like that is not a natural movement. It's just an accepted movement that doesn't automatically kill us.

Same for the deadlift.

I hear ya bro, you're not alone.
Although I'm not actually that interested in low test qts, I'm too much of an assman
Would smash, but bigger ass is required for proper anal.
I'm too much of an assman

This, I do a warmup set for every workout. If a warmup set fucks up your workout, you're just a weak fuck.

Not him, just dropping by to let you know that you should kys

Know of any professional lifters who don't have any of those things?
I'll wait.

>Do you mean to tell me, that in all the decades of heavy lifting, among the millions and millions of heavy lifters, not ONE who warmed up before routine, ate right, rested well and kept correct form, injured himself lifting?
No.

Reading on Veeky Forums about a lot of injuries comes from a very risky combination:

Having no real clue what you do in the gym cominbed with everyones' goal for big lifts as in being a "powerbuilder".

Sadly you can reach weights to injure yourself pretty fast. On the other hand it takes time to educate yourself on everything that goes into it.

Never tried anal sex before but seeing high test qts makes me want to try it.

Any experience you may share with us?

Plenty. Inguinal hernias are largely hereditary, and a complete tear of the rotator cuff either requires an unfortunately located osteophyte or a lot of benching with shitty form.

Professional lifters as in anybody on an international stage? Yeah I'm sure there's more than a few. Of the more famous ones there's Mike Tuchscherer, Jonnie Candito. Better question, why don't you name some professional lifters with these things.

Plenty?
Okay let me look those guys up.
Mike, admits he's been injured in lifting.
Candiot actually broke his fucking foot.

Two lifters I can name right off the bat?
Rippletoe.
Wendler.
The guy who's eroneously, no, fraudulently used as a way to claim that powerlifting will make you into a bodybuilder if you only cut.
But they continue to forget to say that he severely injured himself while strength training and decided to lift, cut and gear up like a bodybuilder FOR YEARS before he looked like that.

So yeah.

It's almost my fetish, I fap exclusively to it and do it with my gf every chance I get (she's not into it as much as I am)
Anal as seen in porn is bullshit.
Use lube, lots of it, go slow and gentle.
It's different from oral and vaginal, naturally, all three differ from each other, as in feeling during the sex, they also differ in feeling during orgasm.
For me at least.
There's also a psychological component to it for me, not the humiliation bullshit, it's just that I see it as the ultimate sex so it feels more satisfying to me.
Do it.

Oh so now the goalposts have been moved to 'any injury'. Neither of those are any of the things previously mentioned. Also, dropping a barbell on your foot like a tard is hardly proof that omg lifting weights is hard on the body!11

Rippetoe was never a professional weightlifter. Wendler was a multiply equipped lifter. So if OP wants to avoid injury, sure, don't get into multiply powerlifting.

Lifting is very safe compared to other sports. Even on a local level, soccer injuries are super common. Broken ankles, torn ACL's, flesh ripped open by cleated boots. Yet entire powerlifting meets are run without a single injury.

But my gf won't let me and I'm not the rapist kind.

I guess I'll never know.

Get a new gf then

There's no goal post being moved here.
I said post lifters who've NEVER BEEN INJURED and you did the exact opposite.

Lifting like a pro or even an ego lifting weekend warrior will lead to injuries. Period.

Rippetoe was never a pro lifter? The fuck? What was he then?
And wendler is a pro who wears all of the equipment and knows all of the tricks and he still got injured.

Those studies? What were they based on. What was the experience level of the "lifters" and what were they lifting and how were they lifting?

Fuck out of here with this bullshit. The only people who say the shit you're saying are shills and inexperienced lifters.

actually my girlfriend brought it up lately and I wasn't sure if it was worth the effort.
>people don't change opinions
>people don't change girlfriends
it's probably because when you're attracted to an ass, you want to fuck the ass itself. not go around it for some pussy.
similarly, you'd be more inclined to tittyfuck a busty girl than a flat one.

Agreed

> circuit training
> awesome ass stuff
You need to go home

>never did circuit training
>still dicking around with babbys first power lifting routine

Come back when you get more then twoish years of lifting under your belt.

circuit training is basically useless for strength/hypertrophy, it may have some place for a person doing sports to build endurance, but it's basically trying to mix two things together and you end up getting mediocre results from both.

Anal wreaks the recipients asshole. She may well be in diapers in 10 years time. Dont do anal.

Pornstar Phoenix Marie is addicted to anal and she has to have permanent diapers since she cant control when she shits.

So..you know nothing about circuit training nor have you actually done circuit training.

Just admit you know fuck all outside of simple powerlifting routines and whatever bodybuilding routine is in vogue right now.

Okay, point out how circuit training is beneficial at all. You're the fucking amature who probably goes around doing three difference exercises and sweats a lot, but uses shit for weight and thinks he's getting a good workout.

If you want conditioning work, do things like farmers walks, sled push/pulling, any form of weighted carries. Circuit training is going to make it so you can't use any decent amount of weight to create a proper stimulus for hypertrophy or strength, you'll do half the weight you normally could and just sweat a lot. You're probably one of those idiots that thinks just because you sweat or get a pump you're working real hard.

No you didn't, you said "Know of any professional lifters who don't have any of those things?". I only referred to 3 things in my post.

>Lifting like a pro or even an ego lifting weekend warrior will lead to injuries. Period.

Nobody is disagreeing with this. I was literally talking about the 3 things OP mentioned. There are still plenty of injury free lifters, especially in the lower weight classes where the totals aren't as big. You've obviously never been to a meet.

Rippetoe never got beyond national level. He's just a good coach. Wendler says his hips are fucked up from the wide stance multiply squatting.

I actually personally know a top place competitor in the USAPL with a 700+lbs deadlift in the 198 class who has never had an injury.

Bottom line is, you can get hurt doing anything, but look at the fucking studies that compare injury rates. Almost every other sport is more dangerous. Also, the injuries from lifting are almost always chronic and not acute injuries. i.e. injuries that aren't as serious. I'd rather get some tendonitis in my knee from squatting than get a complete ACL tear because I played soccer.

Please ignore the fat girl who typed this.

Oh, you are fucking stupid. Saying the same shit that everyone else says and even adding in stuff like fucking farmer walks.

Circuit training is done with moderately heavy amounts of weight. 70-80% and done with a lifting range of 8-15 you move between stations to hit various parts of your body so that you won't hit the same muscle two times in a row with the only rest being the time it takes to get to the next station.

And you never lift till you get a full pump, just a slight one. Some would do it till they get a full burn others do not.
I like to go for a full burn sometimes because I like how it feels and I feel that it releases more growth hormone and burns more calories.
But going NOT till you get a burn or full pump allows for higher total lifts.
Which has been proven time and time again to be the major deciding factor on if you will put on a lot of mass or not.

Actually fucking try the exercise for a week two weeks before you shit on it. Goddamn.

The studies are trash and you have not named a single solitary injury free lifter.

do rotator cuff exercises if you dont want to injur your cuff, lmao.

good form solves most other problems. no ego lifting. progressive overload. play the long game.

wait once you see that men have bigger asses than women

>70-80% and done with a lifting range of 8-15
Thanks for explaining you clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about. If you had any decent 1rm there's no fucking way you could do 8 reps at 80% in anything else than a fucking hard as shit AMRAP with multiple minutes of rest.

>I like to go for a full burn sometimes because I like how it feels and I feel that it releases more growth hormone and burns more calories.
okay so that's more proof you're a complete fucking retard.

>Which has been proven time and time again to be the major deciding factor on if you will put on a lot of mass or not.
nope, only thing that really matters is volume at a high enough stimulus to give a response, rest times mean next to nothing, there's been studies showing resting short periods doesn't do anything to help verse long periods.

You must literally be some fucking dyel who thinks his 185lbs squat workouts are the shit and make you hardcore.

I had spinal fusion surgery before because some slipped discs. I am fat but dieting and losing weight i want to start lifting also and been thinking of doing either SS or SL but iam afraid of deads power cleans and heavy squats dont wamt to fuck up and be crippled.
Can i replace those for some other excercises?
Wat do?

What if they broke their aim when they were 8 years old? Does that count as an injury?

Can you name an injury free sportsperson? Can you name an injury free PERSON?

I don't get what your point is.

>Thanks for explaining you clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about. If you had any decent 1rm there's no fucking way you could do 8 reps at 80% in anything else than a fucking hard as shit AMRAP with multiple minutes of rest.
You either have bitch tier endurance or you're talking completely out of your ass and have no idea what you're talking about.
Just fucking admit it.

>okay so that's more proof you're a complete fucking retard.
Explain. I'd love to hear it.

>nope, only thing that really matters is volume at a high enough stimulus to give a response, rest times mean next to nothing, there's been studies showing resting short periods doesn't do anything to help verse long periods.
So. Volume doesn't matter because volume matters. Is that what you're saying?
And the short periods of rest are to increase the burn and it's been shown that high intensity increases growth hormone and testosterone.

>You must literally be some fucking dyel who thinks his 185lbs squat workouts are the shit and make you hardcore.
You've outed yourself as a fucking retard who's entire fucking understanding of lifting comes from what you've picked up from Veeky Forums. Not experience, not reading about lifters who have experience. Just the ramblings of retards HERE.

Go sit in the fucking stupid corner.

Probably talk to a sports doctor to see if it's okay over some random idiot online. Regular doctor may just tell you not to even if you can, just so they aren't liable.

I don't get what you're talking about here. Are you doing the thing where you try to misdirect things so you don't have to answer in a direct way or what.

Anyway, this is about the amount of injuries you can accrue from lifting weights. And yeah, no one will ever tell you that lifting is 100% injury free. And the level of injury and injury potential raises exponentially with how much you lift and the length of your lifting career.
This isn't up for debate. This is a fact.

Rather have those

Lets back up a bit. My original post said that lifting helps to prevent slipped discs (greater spinal stability and a stronger back), torn rotator cuffs (greater shoulder stability and shoulder strength) and hernias (stronger abdominal wall).

Then you jumped straight to the injury rates of professional weightlifters, who dedicate their life to the sport, who are likely to be taking PEDs, who have intense programming and who aren't afraid to sacrifice form for PRs. You're comparing apples and oranges.

And again, it was about THOSE 3 INJURIES SPECIFICALLY, because that's what the OP asked about. There are plenty of elite lifters without those specific injuries. It's not like he has to worry about blowing out his knee because he'll never squat the amount required for that to happen. And if he does get to that point, he won't need to ask Veeky Forums about injury chance because he'll know all about it.

>You either have bitch tier endurance or you're talking completely out of your ass and have no idea what you're talking about.
>Just fucking admit it.
Your 1rm is clearly a joke since you can do this, look up most rep calculators and 80% is pretty close to an 8rep max for the majority of the people, unless you're new in which case you can usually do many more reps at higher percentages since it's usually neural shit holding you back. If you can really do an 8rep max back to back and with minimal rest and between other exercises, you're either not using anything close to 80% or your 1rm is a joke, and you're weak as shit and should stop posting.

>And the short periods of rest are to increase the burn and it's been shown that high intensity increases growth hormone and testosterone.
Again you're showing you're really the new one, short peroids of rest causing you to "feel the burn" is not fucking high intensity, jesus christ you're dumb. Plus what you're citing is just saying heavy loads increase HGH and testosterone release.

The difference in volume between what we're saying is I'm saying do your volume at a proper intensity level so it actually will provide a stimulus for growth and strength, you're saying you do so much shit that you couldn't possibly use a high enough intensity to cause that stimulus.

there are certain injuries that keep repeating with certain exercises

for example weighted pull ups are injury free, i never have seen someone getting injuried with pull ups unless they had a genetic condition (weak elbows or something), so they may be a better choice than rows so you save all your lower back for deadlifts.

bench press will injury you if you push in your middle line of your chest, some people can do it but most of the people has to push much lower, like in your upper stomach or something, that position gives you much better shoulder position, also search for different types of grips, there are some grips that really help the shoulder

weighted dips will injury you if you go too low, i have done weighted dips for two years with "half reps" and have got really good tricep and anterior delt mass and 0 injuries, meanwhile the retard who insisted on going low already wrecked his shoulder because of muh full form

if deadlifts wreck your lower back and you feel the injury coming, stop doing them and do rack pulls until you get really strong and then go back to deadlifts, don't be a fucking moron, your gains will not disappear if you change an exercise

listen to your body, you can even stop doing bench press if you feel your rotator cuff getting bad and do weighted push ups for a while until it feels better

You're stuck harping on 80% while ignoring that I said 70-80% because you honestly have no fucking idea of how to defend against this other then attacking something that seems improbable.
Something that you personally have no fucking experience with. Apparently.
Everything you're saying in that first paragraph actually says how full of shit you ar.

>Again you're showing you're really the new one, short peroids of rest causing you to "feel the burn" is not fucking high intensity, jesus christ you're dumb. Plus what you're citing is just saying heavy loads increase HGH and testosterone release.

Every single thing in this part is absolutely fucking stupid.

I have been arguing with a fucking moron this entire fucking time. I am ashamed of myself.

If you prefer something without a dick you need to get off Veeky Forums

You said 70-80% with 8-15 reps, so if you want then do 15 reps at 70%, good fucking luck, that's even harder relatively speaking, 70% is usually ~12 rep max. I'm harping on it because you're throwing around numbers that basically show you have zero fucking clue what you're talking about.

Have you tried it?

Oh my god I forgot. You guys go by hard numbers here.
I've been using percentages interchangably with perceived effort.
LOL
But seriously you've honestly never ever done circuit training or any lifting outside of babby's first powerlifting routine and have in fact been talking completely out of your ass this entire time.

Still haven't pointed out once how circuit training is beneficial in any way over standard conditioning training.

Keep on being dyel.

> pic related, circuit training

Don't stall when you plateau, just deload and use fractional weight plates

I fucking did a few posts ago.
You simply retarded on with half understood science that you're parroted from someone else and went on to reveal that your entire body of knowledge more then likely comes from a simple strength training routine that you've not been doing for very long.

You'll gain some strength, mass, you'll gain much needed strength endurance, you'll get amazing cardiovascular gains. You'll lose weight.
You'll get ridiculous hgh and test boosts.

Circuit training is an all around fantastic workout.

Want to know how I know you're stupid? You haven't once brought up the fact that what crosstraining cultists have been doing is essentially horribly designed circuit training interspersed with cardio as a way to discredit me. Not once.

You've just been pulling everything you know from partially read artcles you picked up from google and google pics.

I think I herniated a disc (doctor keeps brushing me off so I don't know for sure). It was a combination of a one time acute lifting injury when I was on my last DL rep and in a hurry to get somewhere after the gym, and repetitive bending at my job (grocery store). I've had mild sciatica ever since but it doesn't stop me from lifting. It's only bad when I've worked too hard or pushed way too hard on my lifts (gone up more than programmed, etc). My dad, who is also a doctor but a more knowledgable one than my shitty pcp, said "if you can still move, piss, shit and get an erection then never let anyone cut into your back if you can avoid it."

Injuries happen but it's not the end of the world. Avoid unhealthy working habits and don't rush your workouts.

Don't push yourself to hard and use good form.

I did both and still fucked up my shoulder and when I got back in fucked up my elbow.

I then quit lifting and now train gymnastic style body weight. Have been for 4 years and my joints from all the straight arm strength feel fucking amazing. Like I was 16 again.