Been reading a lot about the late Roman Empire(s) lately and had the thought; would Roman/Latin culture had a better...

Been reading a lot about the late Roman Empire(s) lately and had the thought; would Roman/Latin culture had a better chance at surviving longer if the Empire had either been split more than just east and west?

And for the sake of this thought experiment let's say no one launches any great unification wars right away. Things are left to sit and after a few generations a status-quo is reached.

>Roman/Latin culture
roman culture can't exist without an imperial system. latin is just germanic mutts

A lot of people misunderstand the East/West split. They weren't two separate Empires, it was regarded as the same political body, just governed by two administrations. Splitting it up further would've done nothing other than reduce the tax base and clutter up the bureaucracy even further.

>latin is just germanic mutts
Did memes gone to far?

Roman culture is dependent on Roman authority enforcing it. So the answer would be yes, so long as they managed to hold on.

Whatever the memes tell you, the Byzantines were a continuation of Roman culture in everything but language.

But my thinking is if the empire was split to help with managing it in the first place, and the west still couldn't handle all the shit flying at it at once, would possibly 2 or 3 states have a better time of it since they could each better focus on whatever they were dealing with?

I don't deny it is but I'm wondering if somehow it's possible to have a western Europe in late antiquity that isn't dominated by German tribes

It's possible, but like I said I requires Roman authority to enforce it. Forming Roman states separate from Italy (Like the kingdom of Soissons and British Romans) could have kept the culture alive, but only for as long as they themselves lasted.

Alright, so how can we see a Soissons state surviving at least until 1000 A.D.?

No empire that is split ever survives, the original split was a terrible mistake, the later ones were a symptom of weakness and decline.

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Murder Klovis before he becomes king of the Franks

>No empire that is split ever survives
>East half survives for 1000 years

All things considered they did pretty well

Fuck is Syria doing on that map?

First of all, deleting "what" is more than enough, deleting "the" and saying "fuck" instead of "what the fuck" is just stupid.

Secondly, blue is clearly French on that map and Syria was a French mandate.

>No empire that is split ever survives
Everything stops existing eventually you dingus.

The Tetrarchy only worked because of a crucial piece of the machine: Diocletian himself, keeping a lid on everything. When he stepped down, all that partitioning of power just turned into a political bracket for people climbing the ladder to absolute power.

Making that bracket larger wouldn't have stopped people from slaughtering their own family members and purging their political allies in order to consolidate power, that's just the nature of autocracy. The collapse of the Roman Empire probably had more to do with the economic, monetary, and military policies of Diocletian and Constantine, rather than their administrative policies. Their well meaning but utterly misguided economic policy resulted in the urban poor fleeing the cities for the countryside in search of rich landowners to sell themselves too, while their monetary policy utterly fucked the poor and middle class because it only stabilized gold but continued to let bad silver and copper circulate. And their military policy was to buttfuck a bunch of Germanic super tribes into providing them federates to fight for the Romans, which were a cheaper alternative to raising new legionaries with their bloated salaries and proneness for mutiny.

Now couple that with a world where plunging temperatures and lower crop yields have not only decimated Rome, leaving the entire empire both sorely in need of manpower, yet swarming with uppity, slum-dwelling NEETs, it was also causing entire populations of steppe peoples to come swarming out of the badlands in search of a decent home, and they were often lead by some of the most ruthless strongmen of their time.

So no hope?

>Canada
>romance

That's like saying Australia's dutch not anglo, and even then, dutch is closer to Anglo then romance.

Ricimer doesn't kill Majorian

No, it was an apocalypse for the time.

Fuck what people say, it should be called the dark ages, even the chinks and their eternal empire were having a bad time.