The reason we think farms are shitty is because we empathize with them, we forget the standard they live in naturally. Constantly being hunted, looking for food, water, mates.
While in a farm, they are just about guaranteed to live to over half their life expectancy and food, water and mates are all supplied to them.
Standard life for in a farm vs standard in the wild the farm life is far better.
Compact farms are shitty for the animals but require far less deforestation, still better than wild life.
If you decide your just going to stay out of it, then your letting unethical meat producing farms win over free range ethical farms.
>only arguments are to cherry pick worst case scenarios
Yeah, they emphasize completely the wrong things, death isn't that bad as long as they live well, and outside American and Chinese industrialized farming, farm animals generally do live good lives.
The more compelling argument, is of course the environmental one. That is however really only a small subset of husbandry (namely cattle) and the approach to veganism, i.e. turning everyone vegan is in turn terrible from a conservationism standpoint.
Adam Sanchez
Also industrial farming are only failed due to the need for cutting corners for money.
If money wasn't involved with our indoor farms we could build many levels of a building upwards, instead of outwards and cause mote deforestation. Just one gigantic building, that you continue to build up when you need more production of the goods. Strategically place like 10 of these buildings around the country and world and we can be able to withstand any environmental disaster that could impact our outdoor grows. I.e. ice age, volcanic winter, etc.etc.
Jonathan Nguyen
That is largely because local production and economy fails due to hygiene regulations and the fact that most work useless, non-production meme jobs.
Society must be scaled back and population must be reduced via. high degree of social control.
Jaxson Hall
If you had to choose between living free, getting fuck hot bitches, battle for pussy with other males, walk around in the wild, but having to find your own food and water, vs staying in a 10 by 10 cage the rest of your life, but having your food and water supplied tot you what would you choose?
And no, I'm not a vegetarian, your argument is just dumb as fuck. Just say you like meat and you're done.
Wyatt Wright
>Just one gigantic building, that you continue to build up when you need more production of the goods
what is this fucking trollscience? you would build 10 of those around the world? how high would they be, a few thousand miles?
Austin Martinez
I dont think population has much to do with it. If anything it makes it easier. Its more we need to be aware that we are going to run out of food before anything else on this planet. Especially since our food is reliant on so many uncontrolled factors to provide its growth. We cannot guarantee that we will keep up production for everyone. But if we can get these indoor farms running with no money involved for the industry to grow with demand, this would then allow it to be in operation without risk of neglect or cutting corners to save money.
Charles Scott
I suggest that you volunteer yourself right now and blow your brains out then. But no, of course you shouldn't be purged, right, just the undesireables?
You can't put the genie of industrialization back into the bottle, and for the same reason you cannot reverse human population.
Given that the both of us have already chosen the second option, your metaphor falls apart. Your cage is just a little more gilded. Human planning and structure takes the threat out of life as long as you out in the barest minimum of effort. For humans and animals both. I'm fine with this.
Our food is going to run out when we run out of sunlight. Not any time soon.
Luke Nguyen
Not to mention that animals like cows and chickens would probably go extinct if people were to stop farming them. So really vegetarianism is really just animal genocide.
Caleb Walker
You have a larger building roughly the size of a medium sports arena. Then you build upwards. How hard is that to believe? You do know they are planning to make a building that are supposed to make mountains look small, right?
Jaxon Cook
But muh freedom
Gavin Miller
>vegetarianism is animal genocide because I don't eat the cows or chicken >I eat eggs and dairy
I'm actually fucking triggered you moron
[spoiler]is english ur second language
Jack Myers
Yeah, explain your logic of not running low on food, when we have a 3 year winter. What happens if the depictions of the mini ice ages we are about to experience in the next 15 years? We will lose all our crops which would inter make our livestock die off and ultimately we starve. We would barely survive the first year in the the system we have now.
Liam Robinson
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Nathan Thompson
You are aware that that is essentially impossible, yes? Square cube law buddy. The higher the building, the more weight the bottom floor needs to carry. Same for the girders and structural pillars. From a certain point onwards the concrete itself is barely capable of standing up to the extreme vertical force pressing down on it. You design a building from the ground up to exact specifications, build it, then don't fuck with it, because otherwise you either a) wasted building materials on making the pillars too strong for the weight they're supposed to carry or b) the thing will collapse because you didn't make the bottom pillars strong enough.
Learn2architecture. Or more like civic engineering. This is fucking elementary stuff.
Adrian Ward
You are aware that the season cycle is caused by the axial tilt of the planet leaning towards the sun to a depending on the time of year (aka the location of the earth in its spin around the sun) yes? If it's winter here in the northern hemisphere, it's summer in the southern one. 3 year winter is GoT-tier retardation, unless there's something going on that will make the planet shift its tilt.
Sebastian Perry
If you believe the ice is melting. It'll cool our oceans till it becomes all the same temp, which would cause our ocean currents to stop pushing warm water around the globe. This would then cause an immediate response in our weather. This is how ice ages start. Just look up mini ice age 2030
Henry Turner
You must have never heard of the xseed 4000 or even the ultima tower? The only thing stopping them is money. Not resources or lack of workers. Just money.
Daniel Lopez
>Animals rape other animals, thus rape is normal.
Nathan Morris
That's a cliff notes misunderstood version of the proposed gulf stream debacle. If the ice melts, it will (supposedly) interrupt the gulf stream, which will cause Europe to cool down since it is a stream that pushes warm water and climates towards Europe.
However, this only affects Europe. More over, the ice caps melting would cause something else: the ice caps not being there anymore. This is an issue, because shining white ice caps reflect most of the light rays that falls on them, while liquid water instead absorbs most of them. This would lead to a massive heat-up of the planet in very short order.
I have heard of all of those idiotic proposals and laughed heartily. Only money is holding you back? Yes, correct. Only money is stopping me from being a millionaire and having a statue of my scrotum made, consisting entirely of frozen champagne.
"Money" nowadays translates to "efficiency". These ideas are garbage because they waste effort on something that can be achieved much cheaper and easier, without the need for horrendously stupidly designed megastructures. Why do you think seasteading never took off? Because it is much cheaper to buy land. Even though living on a boat is pretty cool.
And just to reinforce the point I made in the last post, yes, it is essentially impossible to build such a building "infinitely" into the sky, or even for a few hundred to thousand storeys. Ask any civic engineering student from the second semester onwards, he'll tell you the same thing.
Chase Price
Funny how meat eaters always go on about how vegans/vegetarians think they're superior and will always talk about their diet etc. yet I see threads everyday on Veeky Forums from butthurt meat eaters who try to convince people that somehow they're better for eating other living beings.
If you're really that concerned about what other people eat and cannot accept that some people don't feel comfortable eating animals you need to grow the fuck up, really.
You people are sad and fucked in the head.
Jaxson Fisher
With current technology, the maximum height of a building is 1,000m with usable office space topping out at like 750m.
Now look at those buildings. Every single one has a footprint that must be 100x100m or less.
If you build a cube that is 600^3 meters, that will weigh an absolute fuck ton and will apply monumental pressure on the foundations and structural members. You can't start adding when you feel like or this happens. 500 dead.
Clearly you haven't read a thing in the last 10 years or so.
The ice age proposal isn't new, its been debated over many years. A very large amount of environmental scientists have agreed that this is very likely to occur. So you clearly dissagree with environmental science. Thats your choice. But say we do have any kind of environmental disaster like volcanic winter which can also last many years. What do you propose to do about that?
I never said it needs to be an infinite amout of floors you goon. I said you can add more as you need more production of the goods. If we started with 10 well placed ones we could always add more individual buildings. It'll still take much less space than if we continue as we are now.
Als you prove my point that the reason things fail in this industrial farming idea, is cuz we do infact rely on money. Money is not efficiency i dont see how you can come to such an ridiculous conclusion. Please explain, how money is synonyms or equal to efficiency?
Dominic Taylor
>every cow not growing up in a farm grows up in the wilderness
I'd go see a doctor if I were you, you might be retarded
Kevin Rogers
Your right, farms give life where normally wouldn't be sustainable in the wilderness, good point.
Jeremiah Long
>While in a farm, they are just about guaranteed to live to over half their life expectancy
It's typically not even a quarter of their natural lifespan
Isaiah Allen
>Money is not efficiency You think this because you are a dumb-dumb.
There are oil sands in Canada. That is basically sand that is soaked in oil. This oil can be extracted and used to fuel cars. It is not. Why? Because buying oil from the Saudis is simply cheaper then extracting it from the sand could ever make it.
Money is efficiency. Your idea is not being done because it is an inefficient waste of resources. Know this.
Juan Green
Not true. You are clearly ignorant of reality. Money is not synonymous to efficiency. Its a tool of production.
We can build very tall structures. And if we started now with at least a smaller version of one we would be at least that much closer to full survival. The only reason we "can't" build that high "YET" is cuz we haven't came up with a new building material for the purpose. Its still entirely possible.
This is a few years old. But still shows how wrong you are.
Self-sustainance for your own country is very valuable, so in relation to independency it is very valuable for Canada to extract their own oil rather than bying from other countries.
