I never knew Prussia was actually permabanned IRL. Will it ever return...

look at isreal. A modern Prussian state could easily retuen in Kallingrad if people had the will.

But people don’t have the will. Germany has adopted deeply into it’s culture the kind of democratic liberalism that the Prussians tried to stave off. Imperialism in the liberal west is dead. Preusseboos pls go

They live on, genetically scattered and seeking ideological reformation. Most assimilated, Anglo, German, dead.

The only thing that makes a Pole a Pole is being able to speak Polish.

>The region known as Prussia is now Poles squatting in abandoned commieblock apartment complexes.

Luxury was never what made Prussia great. It's absence is what made them glorious.

No chance, unless Polish goverment will act like total retards and will bring German immigrants to settle these lands, just like it did in middle ages.

Assimilation or reversion. The Poles weren't racially Polish. Look at the history of it, Poland never owned most of the lands it had now and when it moved into some of them, they just called the locals Polish. They could learn German right now and call themselves Prussian and that would be it.

>the Poles weren't racially Polish.
? what does that even mean?
>Look at the history of it, Poland never owned most of the lands
wrong, Poland owned majority of those lands for longer than Prussia existed.
>They could learn German right now and call themselves Prussian and that would be it.
Sure, because bulk of Prussian people were actually germanised Slavs and Balts to begin with. Surnames ending with -ski, -witz were fairly common among Prussian nobility.

I don't know why people like you bother to speak about subjects you clearly have no idea about. Maybe pick up a book before you open your mouth?

Neger, first Germans to settle in east Prussia were Teutonic knights who came there literally on request of Polish duke of Mazovia. They were supposed to be Polish subjects and fight Baltic paganism but they rebelled and stolen more lands from Poland. Prussian state was born from lies and broken promises.

>? what does that even mean?
Haplogroup. General features. General character. None of it is too displaced from the people around. Actually, less so in many ways.

>wrong, Poland owned majority of those lands for longer than Prussia existed.

You think this because they're slightly older? If we extended Germany out to it's largest extent, and Lithuania out to it's largest extent, Poland would just be Warsaw and some areas around it a few counties large. What makes Poles different from those two groups? They fought each other, allied, but really it's just language and language alone. On that basis Pole as an identifier is no greater in age than German or Lithuanian. Lithuanian would have more legitimacy based on age in fact. Germans existed as a language group far older than they had a nation. They were colonizing other countries to their language before they even had a national manifestation.

Sure, because bulk of Prussian people were actually germanised Slavs and Balts to begin with. Surnames ending with -ski, -witz were fairly common among Prussian nobility.

So you admit it's linguistics alone that identifies a Pole? Your graphic insinuates that those lands were held by Poles the entire time since the first dynasty. Obviously not true since they had been squelched repeatedly. I'm on Clausewitz' side when he said Poland is a joke state fit only to be consumed by neighbors actually capable of achieving something.

Prussia was born on the basis of the greatest thing of all: polish saltiness

In 1991 there was a movement to make the German federal state Brandenberg 'Prussia' Now that the territory was kind of back under hte same government.

Of course there was outcry from women and pussys that 'Prussia was dangeorus Germany doesnt need military or remidners of it'.

Russia was also interested in selling Kaliningrad back to Germany but at the time Germany was already dealing with fixing east Germanys economy and didnt want to add more trouble or slavs or echos of its militant past.

Prussia itself wasn't dissolved in the NS Germany. Its government still functioned and Goerring was the Interior ministor giving him control of the Police force, which was a big deal (think about how the police in Istanbul stopped the coup last summer).

ALL the states in Germany were however subordinated in the NS government to the Reich. Bavaria Prussia Saxony etc lost the autonomy it had under the Imperial regime and it was less of a confederacy and more like the USA (which Hitler admired in Mein kampf where the state governments worked but the Feds had real control.

the poles deserved nothing less

So you're not only illterate but you also are proud of it.

checked, Poles confirmed untermensch worthy of annexing

elaborate why

Prussia will come back in World War 3 where Germany and Poland form a union due to everything being conviluted and nobody thinking straight cause in 5 min somebody will throw a nuke

false, all the land that all of you are referring used to be predominately Polish before the Partitions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_deportations
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation_of_Poles_during_the_Partitions
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Partition_of_Poland

Also, the partition coalition forced King Stanislaw to abdicate and he retired to St. Petersburg as Catherine II's trophy prisoner, where he died in 1798. Austria, Russia, and Prussia sought to permanently erase the existence of Poland, even down to the country's name, as proven by a secret and separate article signed by the partition coalition:

"In view of the necessity to abolish everything which could revive the memory of the existence of the Kingdom of Poland, now that the annulment of this body politic has been effected the high contracting parties are agreed and undertake never to include in their titles ... the name or designation of the Kingdom of Poland, which shall remain suppressed as from the present and forever".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Border_Strip

The term "Polish Border Strip" (German: Polnischer Grenzstreifen; Polish: polski pas graniczny) or "Polish Frontier Strip" refers to those territories which the German Empire wanted to annex from Congress Poland after World War I. It appeared in plans proposed by German officials as a territory to be ceded by the Kingdom of Poland to the German Empire after an expected German and Central Powers victory. German planners also envisioned forced expulsion and resettlement of the Polish and Jewish population which would be replaced by German colonists.[1][2][3] The proposed area of the Border Strip comprised up to 30,000 km2 (approximately the size of Belgium), and up to 3 million people were to be removed by the German Empire to make room for Germans.[3] The strip was also intended to separate the Polish inhabitants of Prussian-held Greater Poland from those in Congress Poland.

In July 1917 the German supreme command under General Ludendorff, as part of the debate and planning regarding the cession of the "border strip" to Germany, specified its own designs in a memorandum.[1] It proposed annexing a greatly enlarged "border strip" of 20,000 square kilometres, and removing the pre-existing Polish and Jewish population (numbering between 2,000,000 and 3,000,000[3]) from a territory of 8,000 square kilometres and settling it with ethnic Germans.[1][2][5] Poles living in Prussia, especially in the province of Posen, were to be "encouraged" by unspecified means to move into the German-ruled Kingdom of Poland.[3]

The German minority living in Congress Poland, which had earlier suggested the annexation of all territory up to Łódź in a letter to the German government, also supported such proposals.[6] The German government developed and agreed to these plans in March 1918, and in April gained support in the Prussian House of Lords; the plans for this were debated and developed across a wide spectrum of political parties and interested groups such as political scientists, industrialists, and nationalist organisations like the Pan-German League.[3] Parts of the plans were adopted by Nazis after the war, and implemented in the genocidal Generalplan Ost.[3]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_uprising_(1848)

While the Kingdom of Prussia already possessed a large Polish population in Upper Silesia, it gained additional Polish citizens during the partitions of Poland. From the beginnings of Prussian rule, Poles were subject to a series of measures aimed against them and their culture; the Polish language was replaced by German as the official language,[5] and most administration was made German as well; the Prussian ruler Frederick the Great despised Poles and hoped to replace them with Germans. Poles were portrayed as 'backward Slavs' by Prussian officials who wanted to spread German language and culture.[5] The land of Polish nobility was confiscated and given to German nobles.[5] Frederick the Great settled around 300,000 colonists in the Eastern provinces of Prussia and aimed at a removal of the Polish nobility by increasing the German population and trying to reduce Polish owned land.[6] [7] Another colonization attempt aimed at Germanization was pursued by Prussia after 1832,[8] and while Poles constituted 73% of population in 1815, they were reduced to 60% in 1848, at the same time the German presence grew from 25% to 30%.[9] The Poles were freed from Prussians with the arrival of Napoleon, and started a successful uprising against the Prussian forces in 1806.

In 1819 the gradual elimination of Polish language in schools began, with German being introduced in its place.[1] This procedure was briefly stopped in 1822 but restarted in 1824.

In 1825 August Jacob, a politician hostile to Poles, gained power over newly created Provincial Educational Collegium in Poznan.[1] Across the Polish territories Polish teachers were being removed from work, German educational programs were being introduced, and primary schooling was being replaced by German one that aimed at creation of loyal Prussian citizens.[1] Already in 1816 the Polish gymnasium in Bydgoszcz was turned into a German school and Polish language removed from classes.

In 1825 the Teacher’s Seminary in Bydgoszcz was Germanized as well[1] While in 1824 a Provincial Parliament was invoked in Greater Poland, the representation was based on wealth census, meaning that the end result gave most of the power to German minority in the area.[1] Even when Poles managed to issue calls asking for enforcing of the guarantees formulated in treaties of Congress of Vienna and proclamations of Prussian King in 1815 they were rejected by Prussia.[1] Thus neither the attempt to create Polish University in Poznań or Polish Society of Friends of Agriculture, Industry and Education were accepted by authorities.[1] Nevertheless, Poles continued to ask for Polish representation in administration of the area, representing the separate character of the Duchy, keeping the Polish character of schools.[1]

The administrator of the region became Eduard Heinrich Flotwell, a self-declared enemy of Poles, who openly called for Germanization and superiority of German culture over Polish people. Supported by Karl Grolman, a Prussian general, a program was presented that envisioned removing Poles from all offices, courts, judiciary system, and local administration, controlling the clergy, and making peasants loyal through enforced military service. Schools were to be Germanized as well.[1] Those plans were supported by such prominent public figures such as Clauswitz, Gneisenau, Theodor von Schon, and Wilhelm von Humbold.[1] By 1830 the right to use Polish in courts and institutions was no longer respected.[5] While the Poles constituted the majority of population in the area, they held only 4 out of 21 official posts of higher level.[5] From 1832 they could no longer hold higher posts at the local administrative level(Landrat).[5] At the same time the Prussian government and Prussian King pursued Germanization of administration and judicial system, while local officials enforced Germanization of educational system and tried to eradicate the economic position of Polish nobility.[5] In Bydgoszcz the mayors were all Germans. In Poznań, out of 700 officials, only 30 were Poles. Flotwell also initiated programs of German colonization and tried to reduce Polish landownership in favor of Germans.[1] In the time period of 1832-1842 the number of Polish holdings was reduced from 1020 to 950 and the German ones increased from 280 to 400.[1

and now as for creation of the tumor you know as Prussia

Prussian betrayal of Poland in 1655. A duchy created by Poland out of mercy to Teutons' last grand master. Rulers were Polish senators and were given a free rein how to rule their duchy. Later on, Poland propped it up several times, even refusing to kick the Hohenzolern dukes out when their other dominions are occupied by Sweden in the Thirty Years' War.

When Poland got invaded by Sweden, the duke switches sides and joins Sweden laying foundation to the Prussia that so many autists love that much.

German settlers coming to Silesia since the second half of the 13th century, called the native Slavic population of this land "Wasserpolen", and in further centuries this name was also extended into slavic speech of inhabitants of Silesia: "Wasserpolnisch Michsprache". A German geographical description of Silesia from year 1689 notes - for example - that between Oława and Kąty Wrocławskie "sehr polnisch redet". In Kąty Wrocławskie (Kanth) in year 1641 almost half of all artisans / craftsmen belonged to a separate, "Polish artisan guild". One of first decrees of Frederick the Great from year 1764 was directed against the Polish language - by this decree German language was introduced as official language and by the same decree from 1764 it was forbidden to employ in schools teachers who did not use German language. Restrictions for Polish language in schools and offices were introduced.

Initially, Germanization affected the area of Lower Silesia - especially all large cities located in that area. The city of Wroclaw (Breslau) thanks to German settlement became a bilingual city. Gradually Polish language was being replaced by German language in Wroclaw, but nevertheless for a very long time the right bank side of Wroclaw, located on the eastern side of the Oder River, was being called by Germans "Polnische seite". Even a document from as late as 1789 says that population living in the suburbs of Wroclaw was still using Polish language.

In the 19th century Jerzy Samuel Bandtkie wrote:

>"The capital city of Silesia has many Polish-speaking inhabitants, because already 1,5 miles from Wroclaw there are entire Polish-speaking villages, and just 2 or 3 miles from Wroclaw there are entire parishes with majority of Polish-speaking populations, located at the Oder River."

In a brochure from 1791, an ethnic German pastor from Breslau - J. W. Pohleg - wrote:

(Source: J. W. Pohleg, "Der Oberschlesier verteidigt gegen seine Widersacher", published in 1791):

>"(...) What is the native language here in Silesia? Because rather not German? Basing on the names of cities and villages in a particular land, we can establish without any doubts, what was the most common language in this land when those cities and villages were built. What do words such as Glogau, Bunzlau, Wohlau, Jauer, Breslau, Brieg mean in German language? Nothing. On the other hand, in Polish language all these words have their meaning! Isn't the conclusion, that when those cities were built, Polish was the regional language in Silesia, true? Isn't this thus true, that accusing a Lower Silesian of speaking German language is more justified than accusing an Upper Silesian of speaking Polish language?* There is so much ignorance shown by your agitators**, who complain so loudly. The thing which they criticize,*** is rather worth praising. Honestly, how pitiful is a nation, which is jeering at people due to their mother tongue - people who are not at fault for using it - and the ones who are mocking, have not enough virtues to judge others genuinely and earnestly. (...)"

* He wrote this after Frederick the Great started oppressing Polish language in Silesia.

** He is writing about agitators of the Prussian king - Frederick William II.

*** And this thing is the fact that Upper Silesians spoke Polish language.

Józef Ignacy Kraszewski during his trip to Breslau from 1869 wrote:

>"(...) Germanization even until this day was not able to fully obliterate traces of old, Slavic extraction. Wroclaw is, we can already say this today, a half-polish city, because its part behind the Oder River, near Tum, even nowadays is called polish* and we can hear Polish language being spoken by inhabitants already in the suburbs of this city. (...)"

* This district of Breslau was called by Germans "Polnische seite".

And an ethnic German scholar - dr Partsch - in his book "Schlesien" from 1896 wrote:

>"(...) It is hard to believe, how could such a thing happen, that on the western side of the Oder River, in the Ohlau District as well as in the vincinity of parts of the Breslau District and the Strehlen District, there could survive completely compact territories of Polish-speaking inhabitants, which includes within its boundaries many important roads and which extends in all directions from the large center of transport that the city of Breslau is. (...)"

Hope that helps and prevents further autism and wishful thinking of prussiaboos.

Dissolving Prussia was like removing a tumour from Germany

That doesn't mean a thing though. Polabians are German too, hardly anyone has an idea what the names of their towns and villages mean. Usually just something that was present before them, names of trees and whatnot.
Just admit it, Germans expanded eastward, Slavs expanded westward. There's a natural mixture between Elbe and Russia. There's simply nothing but language setting Poles apart. If you don't count their epic butthurt that is.

So according to you: French, Italians, Spaniards, Portugese, Danish, Swedish, Finnish and whatever the fuck else aren't a real thing because they're a mix of their neighbours, right? Poles are more of an actual genetic thing than Germans.

And no, calling someone "butthurt" is not an argument. Especially since I actually provided sources and actual data, it was you who provided butthurt to enforce anti-polish agenda.

Look how much of a mongrel Germans are.

It's hilariously easy to trigger you guys. Did you know that Po is butt in German thus Poland translates to Butt-country?

See? That's a great way to prove my point.

Funny how everything in life revolves around shit for ze Germans. Scat4life.

True, our swearing revolves around faeces. I find it equally astounding that other peoples's swearing mainly uses sexual expressions. Guess that has to do with sexual repression.

>Prussia, or the northern coast of what is today Poland, was mostly given to the Polish after World War One
This old geographical definition is somewhat meaningless in the context of later German Prussia. Prussia absolutely dominated the German state and contained the wealthiest parts of the country (ruhr) until it was gradually dissolved by the nazis and ultimately the allies, along with the Prussian junkers as a meaningful social class.
>Kingdom of Prussia
To be perfectly correct the Kingdom of Prussia was already dissolved at the end of WW1, but it remained as a federal state (pic related).

>German humor

>this is German humor
An African asylum seeker walks through Nuremberg. Greets the first person he meets, shakes his hand and says "Thanks dear German for letting me into your country, providing help, health insurance and shelter!" The one spoken to looks irritated and says "I'm no German, I'm Albanian."
The African walks on and proceeds to talk to the next person "Thank you dear German that I may be in your beautiful country!" The other person says "Sorry, I'm Egyptian".
On he goes talking to the next person: "Thank you for your beautiful Germany!" - "What? I'm Romanian."
Then the African sees a nice old lady and asks "Are you German?" She says, "No, I'm Turkish".
Scratching his head the African asks "This is strange, where are all the Germans?" Old lady looks at her watch and says "Probably at work."

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>Will it ever return? What was the reaction at the time and do people still yearn for it?
i don't even know what type of brainlet do you have to be to ask questions like these
check how many germans live on ex-prussian lands, this should answer your retarded question

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>muh revisionist history

>check how many germans live on ex-prussian lands
Literally all of them?

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that actually quite wrong though, prussia had nothing to do with the second world war coming into being, apart from that austrian, if you want to point fingers at a country's nationalist attitudes laying the groundwork for that war then look no further than france

There's also some old manors and estate houses in the mix. All in all, it's pretty depressing

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you reap what you sow, france sowed nothing but resentment and anger

They should go with the plan and partition Germany.
But as always ETERNAL ANGLO and his dirty tricks plung Europe into war. And of course mad dog Krauts always thirsty for Aryan(Slavic) blood.
Anyway II WW German plans were build on I WW Prussian plans.
Mittle Europa and other stuff.

they may as well have portioned france in turn

They should listen to Bismarck and do not steal Alsace Lorraine in first place.
But what you expect from eternal Kraut. Rape, murder, robbery. But not sensible diplomacy.

is that a Mass Effect reference?

it was improper for Elsaß to be in french hands in the first place

I'm okay with partitioning Germany as long as none of it goes to Poles or other dirty Slavs. You'd just waste the land anyway.

I hope you like insurgency!

Prussians in Poland are named Prusaki, which also means cockroaches.

>thread about Germany
>Poles derail the thread and turn it into a Polish history lesson with a dash of genetics autism
Ah yes

>prussia occupies all of northern france
>takes one province that is rightful german clay and takes same % of gdp as indemnities that Napoleon I took from them
>France gets carried through the war
>doesn't occupy any german territory and wants to balkanize the nation

>Germans
>insurgency
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Are you sure from the same universe?

you don't know what it was like for the french in the zone they invaded during the interwar?

Do you honestly expect people to sit still and watch lies about their country been told? You're one stupid motherfucker.

>Of course there was outcry from women and pussys that 'Prussia was dangeorus Germany doesnt need military or remidners of it'.
that's exactly why they wanted a new prussia for glorious reminder even if this country only existed because a french bitch who sucked the french king cocks liked their kings

Wow had no idea how much of a fucking joke was germany untill some posts of this thread, thank you Veeky Forums

based

HUMAN MISERY AT ITS FINEST EXPRESION.........THE AUTHOR OF THIS POST.........A HATEFUL, FRUSTRATED, ENVIOUS prussiANUS WITH INFERIORITY COMPLEX LIKE MANY, WHO CAN'T FIND ANOTHER WAY TO EXTERIORIZE AND VENT HIS OWN MISERIES LIKE A NOBODY POOR DEVIL REDUCED TO WASTE!!!!!!!!!!! YOU PITY !!! As said by Wilhelm II, the former prussiANUS king:

Wilhelm: THE prussiANUS WANTS TO BE RACIALLY BALTIC AND CULTURALLY NORDIC. With what valid argument this poor and sad prussiANUS can revoke me? THE ONE WHO MAKES LAUGH IS YOU AND YOUR POOR HATEFUL LIFE. PRUSHITIA, as stated by many famous people, Is A SHIT REJECTED BY EVERY RACE OF THE WORLD, FROM INDIGINEOUS , WHITE , ASIATIC, JEW ETC AND BECAUSE OF THAT THERE IS NOTHING OF WORTH OR IMPORTANCE IN PRUSSIA, THE ONLY EXPORT THAT PRUSSIA GIVES TO THE WORLD IS THE prussiANUS: A CLUMSY, SMELLY AND UGLY BEING. THE PRUSSIAN WOMEN? JUST A BUNCH OF SLUTS WH0 FUCK POLACKS!!! A DAMNED , POOR AND DISGUSTING PRUSSIA, ENVY OF NO COUNTRY!!!

Nope, you (and the other Poles itt) simply have a superiority complex and use any opportunity available to talk about how glorious Poland's history is. For example, the two posts here and made no mention of the ethnic composition of Prussia prior to the Partitions. They were simply comments on the current ethnic composition of the modern day region of Prussia. However, you (or another Polack) took it upon yourself to begin an unrelated several post long history lesson regarding the Polish Partitions.

Romanian, can confirm.

but ze germans were never majority in those regions, not in corridor, not in greater poland.

That's still irrelevant to those two guys complaining about Prussia currently being inhabited by Poles.

>people
You use that word in a very broad sense my friendski

how so? what they're saying is simply claiming that prior to dissolution of Prussia, Poles weren't there.

They're not saying Poles weren't there. They're saying that Germans once were there, which they were, regardless of not being the majority in all of Prussia. And obviously nowadays there's a negligible amount of Germans in Prussia (excluding brandenburg of course).

>They're saying that Germans once were there
germans are like cockroaches, just because they breed like them and spread aorund like them doesn't make them the rightfull owners.

prusak = cockroach

what an ironic point of view

Again, they never said that Germans were the "rightful owners" of Prussia, they were simply lamenting the fact that Prussian Germans no longer live in Prussia and that Poles are essentially the sole occupants.

again, i don't give a shit about your apologism. germans are fucking rats and they were thrown out like rats.

there are no people more cruel and depraved than germaniggers.

well now you're just being insane

Whatever dude

serves german subhumans right for being genocidal pricks

Wow mateski, you may find a better place here

kara boga, you wh*Te subhuman

Glad you're agreeing with me.

Why would the Nazis take a shit on Prussia so bad? I thought they were about preserving German traditions and shit, did Hitler and his government have some kind of vendetta against Prussia?

Huh, they centralized the country. How is that taking a shit on traditions?

>insurgency
No such thing would happen.
Based hero of Europe Kaufman got it covered.

As a Pole I have to laugh, Prussia was such an abomination of a state, its eradication was a benefit to all humanity.
In my hometown we have a field on outskirts of the park with some rubbish, including debris from some Prussian monuments and Bismarck statue in grass. I like taking my dog there so that he can relieve himself on these remains, quite a funny sight.Prussian glory reduced to dog shitter.

really speaks to polish contributions as well

Aw man, and we love you so much :´(
youtube.com/watch?v=mUnJrsbbSgI

no thanks, i don't want to catch sheeple disease

you know, platonically, for our history and culture and if we wanna visit our cars. Dziekueje for watching over all that. After all we might be cousins.

>think about how the police in Istanbul stopped the coup last summer
>unironically thinking that was a real coup attempt