Was Robespierre a hero?

Was Robespierre a hero?

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He killed millions..

yes
>inb4 muh gorrillion nobles

Was Oliver Cromwell hero?

only 50k died

Yes

No. He was completly autistic obsessed with "muh virtue" and the destruction of any past tradition in France. With that being said he wasn't the blood-crazed maniac that many people claim : He wasn't the only member of the Comity of Public Safety and held a stance against slavery and death penalty.

>"...and death penalty."

kek

"The death penalty is necessary, say the partisans of ancient and barbarous routine. Without it there is no brake strong enough for crime. Who told you this? Have you calculated all the gears by which penal laws can act on human sensibility? Alas, before death how much physical and moral pain can man endure?
[...]
It has been observed that in free countries crime was more rare and penal laws more gentle. All ideas hold together. Free countries are those where the rights of man are respected and where, consequently, the laws are just. Where they offend humanity by an excess of rigor this is a proof that the dignity of man is not known there, that that of the citizen doesn’t exist. It is a proof that the legislator is nothing but a master who commands slaves and who pitilessly punishes them according to his whim. I thus conclude that the death penalty should be abrogated."
- Speech of Robespierre before the National Assembly.

I don't like Robespierre but still thinking he was a crazed maniacs obsessed with the guillotine is wrong. In fact, many of the people who commited atrocities during the Revolution and the Terror managed to switch ship and shift all the blame on Robespierre ; Like minister Fouché, who proceeded to the unjust murder of royalists from Lyon before doing mass burying : He ended up surviving from the fall of the Terror and became a minister of Napoléon.

Kick-started the decline of Europe so hardly a ''hero''

There were less than 3,000 executions in Paris during the entire Reign of Terror and most of them came before Robespierre was even on the Committee of Public Safety.

This

I dislike Robespierre for various reasons, but a lot of what we "know" about him are from his political enemies who saw the opportunity during his downfall and painted him as an obsessive egomaniac who desired the blood of countless Frenchmen. The Festival of the Supreme Being wasn't even his idea! He put it forth to the committee as a favor to a friend. He also brought Carrier to justice after he found out about Carrier's butchery in the Vendee, although Carrier managed to escape execution because of his other friends on the Committee of Public Safety... for a time, at least.

That was written in 1791. By the time of the terror, he was writing stuff like:

"If the spring of popular government in time of peace is virtue, the springs of popular government in revolution are at once virtue and terror: virtue, without which terror is fatal; terror, without which virtue is powerless. Terror is nothing other than justice, prompt, severe, inflexible; it is therefore an emanation of virtue; it is not so much a special principle as it is a consequence of the general principle of democracy applied to our country's most urgent needs.

It has been said that terror is the principle of despotic government. Does your government therefore resemble despotism? Yes, as the sword that gleams in the hands of the heroes of liberty resembles that with which the henchmen of tyranny are armed. Let the despot govern by terror his brutalized subjects; he is right, as a despot. Subdue by terror the enemies of liberty, and you will be right, as founders of the Republic. The government of the revolution is liberty's despotism against tyranny. Is force made only to protect crime? And is the thunderbolt not destined to strike the heads of the proud? "

Essentially, he believed that the death penalty should be abolished in peacetime, but in revolution it can and should be used against enemies of the state as self-defense.

Source: sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/robespierre-terror.asp

He also tried to save some people from the guillotine, and in some cases was successful. In others, not so much. He actually filed a motion in protest against Marie Antoinette's trial since it was a show-trial leading to execution (he advocated for her, her sister in law, and the 2 children to be exiled to Austria in exchange for French POWs) but withdrew it after his enemies filed responses asking for him to be investigated as a counter-revolutionary traitor aka assuring his own death.

>Used Stalin-tier methods against supposed ''enemies of the Revolution'' and was a literal political Puritan
No. His death by guillotine was pure karmic justice.

Absolutely.

A tragic hero, but a hero nonetheless.

>supposed
>literally all of europe was at war with France

>literally all of europe was at war with France
He guilootined Frenchies not Prussian soldiers sweetie.

Yes. He did what was necessary to preserve the revolution when France was going through a civil war while simultaneously being invaded by multiple coalition armies. Anyone who criticizes him is simply taking modern European democracy for granted. Besides, most of the people he killed deserved it anyway. Jefferson put it best: "We are not expected to be translated from despotism to liberty on a feather bed."

>european monarchs didnt make use of domestic agents
Ok honey

Hell no. He was just another failed delusional utopian ideologue. Didn't even succeed in turning France into a democracy. France went back into being a monarchy under Napoleon and today it's a Neo-Liberal Oligarchy who's president is a former Rothschild banker. The aristocracy simply went from the nobility to the ultra rich.

>Jefferson talking about liberty
Those slaves he raped sure loved his ''liberty''

This. And his tragic flaw was his paranoia.

>Historian William Doyle writes, "It is not violent fulminations that characterise Robespierre's speeches on the Terror. It is the language of unmasking, unveiling, revealing, discovering, exposing the enemy within, the enemy hidden behind patriotic posturings, the language of suspicion."[59]Doyle argues that Robespierre was never a dictator nor meant to become one, but that his own paranoia, in the face of plots and assassination attempts, drove him into mortal conflict with his political opponents in the Revolution

>Robespierre appeared at the Convention on 26 July (8Thermidor, according to the French Republican Calendar), and delivered a two-hour-long speech. He defended himself against charges of dictatorship and tyranny, and then proceeded to warn of aconspiracyagainst the Republic. Specifically, he railed against the bloody excesses he had observed during the Terror. He also implied that members of the Convention were a part of this conspiracy, though when pressed, he refused to provide any names. The speech alarmed members, particularly given Fouché's warnings. The members who felt that Robespierre was alluding to them tried to prevent the speech from being printed, and a bitter debate ensued until Barère forced an end to it.

He also publicly defended Danton and tried to prevent his arrest until he was threatened with being charged as a counter revolutionary. Only to have Danton's death pinned on him

>When one deputy witnessed Robespierre's inability to respond, the man shouted, "The blood of Danton chokes him!"[80]Robespierre then finally regained his voice to reply with his one recorded statement of the morning, a demand to know why he was now being blamed for the other man's death: "Is it Danton you regret? ... Cowards! Why didn't you defend him?"

Lol he probably wasn't forcibly raping anyone. He took a half black wife after his first wife died. Sally Hemmings was actually Martha's half negro sister. They were probably close and she was probably willing.

That's a lot of "probably" user

Unironically yes.

checked he says that in every thread it's getting funnier each time to me to be honest and your post only made it funnier

>In June 1793 sixty of the eighty departments of France were in revolt against Paris; the armies of the German princes were invading France from the north and east; the British attacked from the south and west; the country was helpless and bankrupt. Fourteen months later all France was under firm control, the invaders had been expelled, the French armies in turn occupied Belgium and were about to enter on twenty years of almost unbroken and effortless military triumph.

I'm of the opinion that something happened to Robespierre regarding Danton.

>Defend Danton, despite his moderation pissing off the convention and the committee of public safety
>Pull back from public life citing illness from February to March
>Come out and accuse Danton and Hebert of being complicate with foreign powers, they're arrested at the end of March and guillotined in April.

Robespierre then goes on to accuse the convention of being too bloodthirsty and excessive and during his own defense calls them all cowards for not standing up for Danton.

I mean obviously it's impossible to know for sure but when you make a claim that he "raped all those slaves" when in reality he's only known to have had sex with one slave who he fathered several children with and was basically his secret/not so secret wife it kind of makes you look like an exaggerating retard desu senpai

No french revolutionary is a hero... their madness costed millions of lives well into the 100 days

He died like a bitch

Can someone give me a quick rundown?

I would become a modern Robespierre so fast if I could. To behead all of congress and the president and vice president themselves would make me orgasm uncontrollably. I don't care if I suffered the same fate as him, it would be worth it...

Not after what charles louis of france went through because of him

Yes. He was a villain too.

yes

haha get fucked aristocucks

yes.

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