The fall of the Russian Empire was the greatest tragedy of the 20th century

The fall of the Russian Empire was the greatest tragedy of the 20th century.

It contributed literally nothing of value except acting as a hotbed for the rise of Marxism. Germany is responsible the Eternal Slav is to blame.

It was a tragedy for the russians but was also the liberation of the Finns, and isnt that what really counts?

europeans vs spear chuckers

literally most overrated empire

I would rather have Finns. They contribute more to our daily lives then what would have resulted from the continued Russian Empire. If you think the Soviets were ramshackle and poor holy shit can you imagine

it was one of greatest things to happen to 20 century
rise of soviet union was worst though

*British

The USSR basically occupied all the land of the empire anyway

much like the Ottomans, a self-styled successor to the Byzantine Empire that cared way more about looking on par with legit European empires than being a functioning state
oh, and Nick 2 was a terrible ruler

Occupying the same land doesn't make it the same thing. The Russian Empire was a center of culture, literature, religion, architecture, science, and civilization. The USSR was a twisted abomination in comparison.

>ITT: people who think the Russian Empire was overthrown by the Bolsheviks

The February Revolution was good and necessary.

>Tsar quits because he doesnt feel like running the country anymore

its funny, but not all that surprising, that the other sick man of Europe needed communism to industrialize

How do the accomplishments of the Russian Empire actually stack up to the Soviet Unions or other European countries

>The February Revolution was good

Considering that it triggered the chain of events that brought Stalin to power, no, it certainly wasn't good. Not good at all. Some of the people involved might have had good intentions, but results are more important than intentions, and the results of the February Revolution were nothing to be proud of.

Wrong, that was the fall of the German Empire

Stalin was a better leader than Nicholas II or anything he could have shat out.

G*rmany doesn't deserve to exist as a nation state.

>G*rmany doesn't deserve to exist as a nation state
Which is why the true tragedy was the fall of the HRE

Napoleon's only wrongdoing.

Stalin set Russia back decades with his purges. Russia has never truly recovered from what he did, and it probably never will.

u-huh sure buddy

Well, to be fair, it wasn't entirely Stalin's fault. Lenin also deserves a portion of the blame.

I can only imagine what kind of utopian powerhouse a tsarist Russia would have been in the 1940's

>Stalin was a better leader than Nicholas II or anything he could have shat out.
>Kill 20 million of your own people
>soyboys will defend this
back to plebbit you go

>pulling figures out of your ass
>muh reddit
>soyboy

We can go back further and say that Nicholas deciding to get involved in a war with Germany and Austria set off that chain of events. And it was hardly a guarantee that the Russian Republic would be overthrown by the Bolsheviks, it only seems that way in hindsight. Kerensky should have sued for peace with the Central Powers and the October Revolution never would have happened.

The German Empire had every opportunity to thrive in the 20th century, if only they'd accepted Russia as a friend instead of stabbing her in the back.

>pulling figures out of your ass
gotta love gommie historical revisionism

>Nicholas deciding to get involved in a war with Germany and Austria set off that chain of events

Stopping you right there. Nicky didn't decide to get involved in a war. Germany and Austria forced it upon him. He never wanted anything other than peace with Germany; he was practically German himself.

How many Russians died in the First World War, which was a direct cause of Nicholas II planning for war with A-H?

>The Russian Empire was a center of culture, literature, religion, architecture, science, and civilization.
The Russian Empire spent time trying hard to be Western European, lfuckingmao. The only thing it was center of was the Center of Orthodoxy.

Ironically the Soviet Union did make Russia into a center of culture, science, and civilization, one organized along Communist lines. For a short while, Russian was the Lingua Franca of the Communist World even.

Russia was under no obligation to go to war over Serbia.

Serbia was in Russia's sphere of influence. Allowing Austria-Hungary to take it without a fight wasn't an option. It's like saying that America should have ignored the Pearl Harbor attacks just because Hawaii wasn't officially a state yet. Nicky did everything in his power to avoid a war, but the Germans insisted upon it.

Hawaii was a U.S. territory/colony. Serbia was an independent state, albeit one that was aligned with Russia.

>How many Russians died in the First World War, which was a direct cause of Nicholas II planning for war
>blaming the Russians for WW1
are you seriously retarded or is this the new meme?

>How many Russians died in the First World War

About 3 million, which is less than the 8 million killed in the Russian Civil War. Staying in WW1 until the end would have produced fewer deaths than what actually occurred, especially considering the Central Powers were in a very unenviable position by the time of 1917. It should also be noted that if Russia hadn't collapsed, Germany would have been forced to surrender at a sooner date than they did in real-life.

>albeit one that was aligned with Russia.

This is the important part. Serbia was under Russian protection.

>Russian mobilization that caused the Germans to join in and everything to spiral out of control has no responsibility for the conflict
Admit that Russia had its lion share of responsibility instead of launching pejoratives, my anonymous friend.

>Defending an ally from Austrian aggression is the same thing as starting a war
wew

Which country activated the Schlieffen plan, again? It certainly wasn't Russia.

they defied the anglo

wtf even is this map

нeт.