I am not a Veeky Forumstorian so I'm prepared to be corrected wherever I'm wrong, but there was a surge of liberalism in the arts after WWII like slam poetry, abstract art, whatever. Why was conservatism valued in the 50s in America not a decade after we just defeated the most conservative facist empire in modern history? I know people were basically more gullible and willing to eat heaping spoonfuls of shit more then than any other decade in the 20th century.
Was it because it was a war that had the people's support? Were people just dumb and full of hotdogs, crisco and corn syrup and thought all the enemies were communist?
As if modern day communism is what Stalin intended it ton be
Cooper White
American conservatism is nothing like Nazism you moron
Jaxson Bell
I understand there are differences, but considering we were still in the process of learning how to do all the same shit they did, but to the benefit of Israel, my mom told me they didn't even learn about WWII in their schools because they were still figuring out how to explain muh gorillions to the kids.
Also not a Holocaust denier though, that's like saying America didn't have slaves when there are people who exist today, solely because a Holocaust survivor went on to have kids. Argue the numbers and methods of killing all you want, the Russians won't ever tell you the truth. All the Nazis were methheads, one was a supervillain tier mad scientist who switched people's body parts around like I did with my dolls and Hitler had to take medication for his chronic farting. Always remember that regardless of your other political views..
Xavier Miller
You're missing the point, a Veeky Forumstorian will reference Wikipedia and counter arguments with brainlet memes. A Historian on Veeky Forums however cites his argument with direct links or images of Primary and secondary sources.
Dominic Rivera
what is the point of this thread conservatism doesnt equal fascism they're not even similar please form a coherent sentence next time you brainlet
Ryan Adams
Strongly feel you dont understand the terms youre using when youre equating liberalism to modern art and conservative to nazism
Easton Peterson
dude are you 12?
Levi Edwards
Your rant is so incoherent it is actually hilarious.
Dominic Richardson
>most conservative facist empire in modern history? Nazis were in no shape or form conservative. Because they were fucking Nazis.
Julian Morgan
I think you're wrong about the art thing.
Art progressed pretty much as naturally as it could have. There was no massive surge that changed after WWII. Pic related, was made before even WWI
The reason why people didn't make abstract art in Europe 300 years ago is because artworks back then were commissioned by the wealthy. The Mona Lisa, for example, was a commissioned portrait. It wasn't until the Dutch started painting on the sail boat canvasses that people were truly able to make art that can transported and sold with ease.
New technologies also allowed people to move to other parts of the world in ways that would not have been possible before. They were now able to take in styles and themes from other parts of the world. Modernist poetry, also pre-WWI, was heavily influenced by Japanese haiku. The mixture of culture allowed artists to explore techniques which were not available to them before.
After people had the ability to make art freely they didn't simply want to paint, sing or write things that have always been painted before, so the branched out and made things that people had not seen before.
James Moore
forgot the pic
Mason Price
Are your sure you're not the meth head? I actually can't understand what you're trying to say.
Easton Green
Fascism = right-wing revolutionary collectivism Conservarism is more individualist and is opposed to revolution.
Camden Parker
kek
Hudson Ross
Nazis weren't conservatives dumbass.
Hunter Smith
Ok hold on. forget this random bit about your autistic en devour of somehow comparing circa 50's American Conservatism to Nazism... >Argue the numbers and methods of killing all you want, the Russians won't ever tell you the truth. what the actual fuck are you on about?
Isaac Lewis
I think it's a really confused kid trying to blurt out everything he learned at /pol/ in a single sentence.
Zachary Gray
>a supervillain tier mad scientist who switched people's body parts around like I did with my dolls Is that you Sid?
Aiden Collins
>Also not a Holocaust denier though, that's like saying America didn't have slaves when there are people who exist today, solely because a Holocaust survivor went on to have kids
Pregnant Anne Frank getting nailed by Confederate soldiers fantasies are a staple on this board in case you didn’t know.
Joseph Mitchell
>Anne Frank impregnated by free black Confederate soldiers
Leo Morris
>Why was conservatism valued in the 50s in America not a decade after we just defeated the most conservative facist empire in modern history? I know people were basically more gullible and willing to eat heaping spoonfuls of shit more then than any other decade in the 20th century.
America fought Germany because Japan dragged them into the war. The US has always hated the Soviets more though. The Cold War began almost immediately after Hitler died.
Levi Collins
The generation who fought the Nazis was not liberal, a super-majority of white people had similar views on race to the Germans they were fighting.
In fact there was a poll done where Americans were asked which would they rather have happen: end segregation or lose the second world war?
The super-majority of White Americans (90%) answered that they would rather lose the second world war than end segregation.
>I am not a Veeky Forumstorian so I'm prepared to be corrected wherever I'm wrong
Good on you for being modest.
>[liberalism and conservatism]
These descriptive categories are insufficiently analytical to describe US society 1945–1970.
>there was a surge of liberalism in the arts after WWII like slam poetry, abstract art, whatever.
Beatniks were closely associated with working class Jazz and revolutionary left-wing cultures such as the IWW / CIO vibe. This isn't really liberalism.
The US state sponsored abstract expressionist art to attack the Soviet Union's sponsorship of "socialist realist" art.
>Why was conservatism valued in the 50s in America not a decade after we just defeated the most conservative facist empire in modern history?
Fascism isn't a conservative movement. And America in the 1950s wasn't that conservative. Wife swapping was rampant, as was PTSD alcoholism. The "public ideology" of post-war America was of peaceful enjoyment, not necessarily conservatism OR liberalism OR progressivism OR leftism.
>I know people were basically more gullible and willing to eat heaping spoonfuls of shit more then than any other decade in the 20th century.
I think you'll find that was the 00s depression or the 30s depression or the 70s+ depression or black people. A lot of shit was eaten. Post WWII's limited consumer goods and employment booms for whites vastly reduced the amount of shit eaten.
There's a good PBS documentary series on the 1950s. Watch it.
Nolan Williams
wtf
Nolan Butler
The fuck are you even talking about? Underage children with no understanding of Nazism and American conservatism aren't allowed here.
