Why were Jews so overrepresented in communism?

muh j0000z

>A high-IQ managerial class is obsessed with Ideas and money, and they have to act in a mutually-beneficial incestuous fashion at all times

wew, lad

>a Jew cannot be a true patriot
t. a guy who sent tens of thousands of Jews to die for him and then fled the country to spend the rest of his life on vacation

give me a fucking break

>at war
>cold war

We entered and lost Vietnam. A war we should've won. Look up the coverrup on that. Yes it involves communist jews and JFK's death. Litvinov(aka "Finkelstein"), a jewish banker in Russia, gave up his banking for power. Sverdlov in America did the same. The revolution was financed and planned by Warburg operating in Germany who gave the go-ahead on Lenin's return. Schiff,like Warburg and the others was a jewish banker, sent Trotsky and his trained personnel to meetup with Lenin.

Fake quote.

You've been spamming that infopic and it has already been refuted. Highest estimates are hearsay or fake, and you know it.

>anthony sutton video
If you read his book, you'll see he actually says jewish bankers opposed helping the bolshevik, contrary to non jews.

>General Jewish Labour Bund in Lithuania, Poland and Russia
Not a marxist party, and they opposed the bolsheviks:
>Like other socialist parties in Russia, the Bund welcomed the February Revolution of 1917, but it did not support the October Revolution in which the Bolsheviks seized power.

Irrelevant to historiography.

Typical stormfag pathological lying.

It has more to do with Warburg and jews trying to dodge the draft. We had this thread before. A jewish commission came up with a classified document that said jews did their fair share, but since it was classified it was left to (((scholars))) to discern it's meaning. Dozens of links later we found nothing but jewish people swearing they did their duty in Germany. There was an attempt to release that documentation but the jews wanted it cracked down on despite their simultaneous swearing that it contained nothing of self-detrimental value.I'm going with the guy who had first hand knowledge about them. You give me a break

>A jewish commission
*the German army, but nice try
>I'm going with the guy who had first hand knowledge about them
you mean a guy trying to ride the Stab in the Back meme to pin his failures on someone else to make people forgive him

>If you read his book, you'll see he actually says jewish bankers opposed helping the bolshevik, contrary to non jews.

View the vids mentioned here:He's actually in one of the videos. And it's *Antony. You didn't cite a book page or book so this is probably your same tactic of insinuating information and dropping it without contextualizing it and hoping the opposition gives up.

>You've been spamming that infopic and it has already been refuted. Highest estimates are hearsay or fake, and you know it.

You've failed to refute it three times now so I consider it holding to scrutiny. Or at least your scrutiny.

>Typical stormfag pathological lying.

Projection.It's extremely and self-evidently relevant.

>*the German army, but nice try

Negative, it was done by jews. Cite the link if you're brave enough.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenzählung
>inb4 "that doesn't count, use a reliable source like Stormfront or WAR"

>He's actually in one of the videos. And it's *Antony. You didn't cite a book page or book so this is probably your same tactic of insinuating information and dropping it without contextualizing it and hoping the opposition gives up.
"It is significant that documents in the State Department files confirm that the investment banker Jacob Schiff, often cited as a source of funds for the Bolshevik Revolution, was in fact against support of the Bolshevik regime. 5
This position, as we shall see, was in direct contrast to the Morgan-Rockefeller promotion of the Bolsheviks. The persistence with which the Jewish-conspiracy myth has been pushed suggests that it may well be a deliberate device to divert attention from the real issues and the real causes. The evidence provided in this book suggests that the New York bankers who were also Jewish had relatively minor roles in supporting the Bolsheviks, while the New York bankers who were also Gentiles (Morgan, Rockefeller, Thompson) had major roles."
voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf

>You've failed to refute it three times now so I consider it holding to scrutiny.
I don't really care about what you think because I think you're just a propagandist that doesn't care about truth. I only respond in case some poor idiot is reading and falls for your shit. For anyone who is curious, George Simmons is a nobody expat from russia who is reporting on rumors, and grife is a nazi propagandist that didn't use any real data or census. You can find their texts easily.

>Why were Jews so overrepresented in communism?

Revolutions aren’t started by illiterate peasants, they come from the bourgeoisie.

t. Ezekiel

>A war we should've won.
USA should be wiped off the map

In Brusilov's autobiography, he rates the jews as poor performers universally but especially neglectful and unmotivated in the Russian army. He cites their lack of feeling of reward and cohesion as primary causes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenzählung

> However, its figures were leaked out, being published in an antisemitic brochure.[2] The Jewish authorities, who themselves had compiled statistics which considerably exceeded the figures in the brochure

So you did. And the jewish authorities compiled their own numbers and that's what's being passed in (((scholarly))) circles as the true numbers.

I actually didn't know Morgan-Rockefeller were in on it. This is even worse than I thought.

>It is significant that documents in the State Department files confirm that the investment banker Jacob Schiff, often cited as a source of funds for the Bolshevik Revolution, was in fact against support of the Bolshevik regime.

Meanwhile
>The trustees of the Provident Loan Society included
persons mentioned elsewhere as having connection with the Bolshevik Revolution: P. A.
Rockefeller, Mortimer L. Schiff, and James Speyer.
>Mortimer L. Schiff
This is the section "Exporting the Revolution".

>"insisted that, unknown to him, the prime movers were Jacob Schiff, Warburg and other
international financiers, who wished above all to bolster up the Jewish Bolshevists in order to
secure a field for German and Jewish exploitation of Russia."-Steed, from the same source

I have to say, you've given me really good material.

>The text is in the form of a report,
which states that the revolution in Russia was engineered "in February 1916" and "it was found
that the following persons and firms were engaged in this destructive work":

First on the list:
>(1) Jacob Schiff - Jew

And goes onto list other names, some of which I'd never have guessed were in on it. The evidence he cites seems to me to be credible so I don't know where he would get off thinking otherwise.

It was a way to abandon their ethnicity.

>George Simmons is a nobody expat from russia who is reporting on rumors, and grife is a nazi propagandist that didn't use any real data or census. You can find their texts easily.

Already playing defense! So Greif actually wrote about the evils of the USSR before anyone in the west knew about it. It seems user here is using similar tactics on his enemies as we see with Solzhenitsyn, or anyone else who disagrees with his narrative.

I used to think that Solzhenitsyn quote was real because it's something people knowing about Bolsheviks would say. That they didn't believe in nationalities Russian or any other and it's just /pol/ that misinterpreted it because they thought he meant jews. But surprise surprise it's yet another fake quote pulled straight from their asses. Is there anything that retarded place can do right?

solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/dr-hermann-greife-slave-labor-in-soviet-russia-1937.pdf

>implying this entire book isn't good enough

thechosenites.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/200-years-together.pdf

It is and from this and the interviews we can see a well-rounded view about the minorities in Russia. You can say without them the revolution would've been to weak. Maybe or maybe not. But it's incorrect to treat it like an aggression of one nation against the other. It's not how comies were thinking.

>So Greife actually wrote about the evils of the USSR before anyone in the west knew about it.
The dude was literally employed by Nazi Germany to spit on Soviet union plus he had no access to Soviet documents. (Source: ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гpaйфe,_Гepмaн)

Why do you think he is a trustworthy author?

Pretty amazing how after 11 minutes you were already to read the book and reach conclusions that disagree with the author to confirm your previous positions. Let me guess, you control-f-ed schiff.
You're quoting sutton's review of conspiracy material btw.
>However, none of the above statements can be supported with hard empirical evidence. The most significant information is contained in the paragraph to the effect that the British authorities possessed "letters intercepted from various groups of international Jews setting out a scheme for world dominion." If indeed such letters exist, then they would provide support (or nonsupport) for a presently unsubstantiated hypothesis: to wit, that the Bolshevik Revolution and other revolutions are the work of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy.
Interesting to note that after posting a video about a historian that supposedly confirmed the conspiracy and being proven that said scholar refutes the conspiracy, the stormtard takes this as confirmation for the conspiracy, simply because the author quotes the work he refutes. Confirmation bias + unfalsifiability. You believe what you want to believe . Or, more likely since you've been posting material that has already been refuted, you are a pathological liar.

I have no problem with Solzhenitsyn, besides him being wrong about da joos. Although his antisemitism is less retarded than yours. Yes, Greif's work is garbage.

disinfo and cherry picking on the part of nonhistorians

>A war we should've won.

America never stood a chance at winning in Vietnam. It was doomed from the start to be a unwinnable bloody quagmire.

>Latvians

>/pol/tards think Jews tried to destroy Europe
>It was actually Latvians
>mfw Latvian disinfo managed to pin it all on the Jews, causing an attempt at extermination
>mfw they got away scot-free
The true redpill. Truly a cruel, remorseless people. I mean look at this picture. It's a Latvian family torturing a defenceless adopted Finnish child.

MODS

>t. Jānis Bērziņš
I see through your lies.

Dishonest comparison. The communists lost in the Baltics and Finland, so a number of Baltic and Finish communists emigrated to USSR. Since there were no large Baltic or Finnish populations, the communist emigrés made up a relatively large portion of the population. That said, the high level of support of the Bolsheviks in Latvia is indeed noteworthy.

the same retards who argue that jews created or are overrepresented in communism, are the same faggots who say the same about capitalism

Is this the thread the triggered /pol/tard said he would make here because some random user posted a thread on /pol/ telling them to stay off Veeky Forums /v/ /tv/ and /lgbt/?

If so, pathetic OP. Just pathetic.

Unironically good post.

10% of Petrograds population was made of Finns before WW1, mate.

Bolsheviks were based in urban communes (Jews were more urbanized than Russian), they were anti-imperialist in pre-civil war period (appealing to minorities) and anti-orthodox (again, appealing to religious minorities). Balts were just as overrepresent as Jews for the same reasons.

Hmmm

>knows what thread are posted on /pol/
>calling anybody else a /pol/

Why can't they controll both sides? It's not a new thing.

“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”

― 1/4 jew (((Vladimir Lenin)))
goodreads.com/author/quotes/104630.Vladimir_Lenin

Why do faggots like you act like communism and capitalism are opposites? They're the exact same Jew shit.
>both reduce everything to a quantifiable commodity (Labor Theory of Value was invented by Adam Smith and expanded upon by Karl Marx), absolutely no place for spirituality or metaphysics, just materialism
>both are products of the Enlightement and the French revolution (which was literally started by the Bourgeoise and managed to spawn Socialists in the process)
>both view history as a linear race towards progress and material prosperity (Whig history vs Historical Materialism)
>both shit on the institutes of monarchy and aristocracy and favor deracinated meritocratic cuckoldry
>both are degenerate and in favor of doing away with contemporary morals and replacing them with libertine bullshit
>both are EXTREMELY in favor of a democratic rule (even if it's way less democratic when you actually put their ideas into practice)
>globalism and internationalism (international finance capital vs international socialism)
>both want to destroy the borders, states, families, sexes, religions, races and hierarchies just to chase some idiotic goal (profit vs communism)
>Marx literally thinks of capitalism as a net positive contrasted to feudalism and mercantilism and considers it a necessary stepping stone towards communism
>both find their main intellectual base of support among Jews (Rothbard, Mises, Friedman vs Marx, Luxembourg, Trotsky etc)
>the first people who called themselves "libertarians" were actually fucking communists

>lumping Veeky Forums in with the faggot board
get lost queer

There's a huge overlap between here and /lgbt/. We need to purge them, especially the trannies.

there's a lot of faggots here for sure but I don't know about them being of the literal variety for the most part
I'm sure the administrative cadre and all the jannies are raging arse bandits though

Just a protip for the future, whenever you see a shitposting reddit tier liberal retard, run the filenames of the images he's posting through /lgbt/ archive, usually there's a gigantic overlap.
The Jew who posts those "Hitler pooped his pants" threads is a fat tranny with a scat fetish for example.

Obsessed

Seriously? That 'Libertarian' was used for comnunists before capitalists shows that both systems are the same thing? Both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany used the word 'socialist' in their name? Shouldn't they be like the same system, man, according to your retarded logic?
Also, that both capitalism and communism have jews supporting them shows that they are the same? There are Russians who support communism and National Socialism, apply your logic to that for a second and see if you realize how retarded you sound.

do you have an archive of them or something?
would be bredy funny

>Why were Jews so overrepresented in communism?
Possibly the idea of being equal with everybody else for once?

They have the same origin and same goals.

Regarding that French Revolution part, which is blatantly inaccurate since neither system was born there (see guild socialism, for example) that they coincided in their opposition to an absolutist monarchy doesn't make them the same. Just like there being nazis and communists who are in favor of Assad does not make them the same, just like Nazi Germany and Soviet Union signing Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and invading Eastern European territories does not make them the same. Do you realize how faulty your logic is? Your post shows poor historical knowledge and fallacious thinking.

>Jews wanting to be equal with gentiles

The Jew is already above the gentile. The radical egalitarian fanaticism of the Jewish mind is motivated from not having a collective going against them.

That's both false and not an argument against what I said.

I go there to shitpost. Its what they get for shitposting on my favourite board.

Fucking retards, I dont go on fucking /lgbt/. I was shitposting on /pol/ when I came upon that faggot anons thread and decided to shitpost on it since it had high /pol/tard triggering potential.

>equality is creating an oppressive exclusively Jewish ruling class within the soviet union

fuck off back to /lgbt/, you anti white subhuman

that's what power does in any system. It corrupts.
The beacon of the free world has beome an oligarchy.
The dismantlement of the USSR led to an oligarchy which then led to a quasi dictatorial system which nominally still is a democracy. I don't blieve race/faith has anything to do with that.

You know these are lies, right? You can't honestly be dumb enough to take the word of some random burger as facts.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_People's_Commissars
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Committee_elected_by_the_8th_Congress_of_the_Russian_Communist_Party_(Bolsheviks)

>takes the word of Wikipedia which has been taken over by anti white leftists

>>equality is creating an oppressive exclusively Jewish ruling class within the soviet union
considering that the only Jewish leader in the Soviet Union that saw the end of the Great Terror was Lazar Kaganovich, they did a really shit job

Is it so hard to believe I go there to shitpost as revenge for them infecting Veeky Forums with their cancer? Google "Blood Debt", it was oft practised in ancient societies and I would say this is my way of LARPing it.

The thread opens with a fake quote.
Then he proceeds to post charts made based on rumors and lies, which he already knows.
Then he posts a video of a guy talking about bolsheviks and bankers. When proven that the guy in the video does not believe in a jewish conspiracy and actually refutes it, he pretends the conspiracy is confirmed.
Then he posts a link to the jewish labour bund, which was neither communist nor pro bolshevik.

He's not "dumb enough to take the word of some random burger". He's a propagandist lying on purpose.

>I go there to shitpost as revenge for them infecting Veeky Forums with their cancer
Why do you leftypol shills want a leftists safespace?

In what way, exactly, are people who believe in materialism, and are atheists, Jews?

If you don't believe in the Jewish religion, how are you a Jew?

If you say that Jews are a race, you literally believe the Nuremberg Laws, and I don't. People who don't believe in the Torah and the Jewish religion, aren't Jews.

>this whole thread

I want to go back to the day where being a Nazi or Commie was viewed as only being slightly better than being a pedophile.

Im not a fucking commie, and im not asking for a leftist safe space. You faggots come and make the same shitty bait threads every day without considering the counter-arguments presented in the old ones, as well as just obviously trolling on miscallaneous threads, it just ruins the quality of the board in general.

>without considering the counter-arguments
sorry, I don't consider the opinions of you anti white subhumans

There's over 56 pages of that guy posting the same things over and over.
desuarchive.org/his/search/text/"anti-white"/
Stop giving him (you)s.

Man im not even gonna pull out the bored of your shit pepe image, just fucking kys.

Why do you want a safespace, you leftypol soyboy?

Man I don’t understand Nazis. They hate Jews but say the 6 million never happened. But then niggers in Rwanda go and kill 800,000 in a few months with machetes.

Sounds like Germans wish they were as good as niggers

>the leftypol shill is this fucking mad

You know you don't have to false flag to make these people look like morons? They themselves do a fairly decent job.

why do you leftists hate the white race?
frontpagemag.com/fpm/102601/how-left-conquered-wikipedia-part-1-david-swindle
youtube.com/watch?v=hMBramnCg_s

This is because the Latvian riflemen were some of the first russian forces to defect to the bolsheviks.

There was reason for that. IIRC Latvian peasants had a massive hateboner for local aristocracy.

We are aware that overrepresentation of certain groups respond to historical developments and not to conspiracies. But can you imagine the amount of conspiracy shitposting we would have to endure if the first forces to defect to bolshevik had been jews.

juden-in-bamberg.de/Letter_from_bamberg/Letter_17/lfb17_L.htm

Point well made.

Oh, and that tinfoil-hat tier understanding of capitalism is incredible. Capitalism is an economic system, it's not concerned with metaphysics or spirituality and doesn't forbid you to go to church and whatnot.
Also, capitalism can be internationalist or take a nationalist form. Sweden is a capitalist country and it doesn't pursue an aggressive foreign policy.
Most of what you said is wrong.