What happened to the Huns?

the hungarian word for hungarion is magyars
so they are backtraced to them.
ofc being next to so many slavic nations is gonna influence their dna alot

They are Germs ancestors.

The Xionghu in Central Asia split in two. The eastern Hun became vassals of the Chinese, and later got defeated by the Xianbei, leading them to migrate to China. The western Huns got also replaced by Xianbei and Avars.

Parts of the western Huns migrated to Eurasia, and mixed with Uralic groups, and so the European Huns were born. Later those managed to conquer Iranic, Germanic and Slavic tribes, starting the Hunnis Invasion of Rome. They've got assimilated by the Germanic and Slavic. The eastern Huns got assimilated by the Chinese.

The "White Huns" of Afghanistan got defeated by an alliance of Kok Türüks and Sassanids and later by the Umayyads.

The Chinese described the Turkic Kok-Türüks, Tiele, and Dingling as descandent of the Huns. So parts of the western Huns survived.

>Okay, introduce yourself to the class
>Salut, mon nom is Attila de Hon, I'm half français, half /hung/arian. My ancestors were great conquerors.
>class is impressed because they are historically illiterate.

So THAT'S why the Xinjiang people want Independence!

We need to go to /pol/ and get their help for an independence movement!!!!!

Xinjiang is just a bunch of Uyghurs. Ancient Uyghurs were Turks but some of the modern Uyghurs are Tocharians/Sogdians/Saka. The Tarim Basin was Indo-European and the genetics of modern Uyghurs reflects it.

How did Sogdians move so far east?

After Atilla died, any organization they had as a military force fell apart fairly quickly, and mostly stayed north of the Danube because they were no match for the Ostrogoths occupying Italy and the Eastern Roman Empire still had control over their borders.

After a while other nomadic groups moved in and slaughtered them in their conquests, first being the Avar Khaganate who where then replaced with Magyars and Bulgars who now make Hungary and Bulgaria respectively.

To put it short, they were conquered shortly after Atilla, any Hunnic blood leftover is probably in today's Hungarians and Bulgarians, but even that is probably a negligible fraction after 1500+ years.

So, where were the Huns from?

>Huns were asian/turkic/altaic

Indo-Europeans moved all over Eurasia.

Hell was too good for them.

Nomads set up shop and assimilate with local Magyars.

They turned into Germans

How did you concoct this fucking retarded fantasy of a French/Hungarian kid?

Idk but I like it.. I like the cut of his jib

After the Hun empire collapsed a variety of things happened to the Huns:
-Some joined a new steppe confederation like the Avars or Bulgars
-Some settled down in Eastern Europe
And became Slavicised or Germanicised
-Some became mercenaries for the Roman Empire and were settled in Thrace or Anatolia and eventually became Romanised

The Gok-turks/kok-turuks arose within a Xiongnu empire. The Xianbei as pointed by are from the eastern faction of Xiongnu federation. They rose up inside Eastern Xiongnu (as they are a Xiongnu tribe themselves). Xianbei are simply successor to Xiongnu.The Gok-turks similarly arose within the Xianbei. Thus are successor to the Xianbei -> Xiongnu empire. I'm not too knowledgeable on Tiele/Dinglings but I suspect they were minor tribes.

They got genocided the fuck out by ze Germans and what was left of them ran back east to the steppes where they belong

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nedao

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bassianae

Too bad they were HUNted down.

That Ragan 2nd lower left?

We're the Huns more of a multi-ethnic army than an actual ethnic group themselves?

>We're
Huns, like the Xiongnu and the Xianbei and the Mongols and the Gokturks are all multi-ethnic empires. However the ruling class are different. For the Xiongnu/Xianbei/Mongols, they were lead by asiatic tribes as ruling class. For the Gokturks, the ruling class were indo-european people.

>In the UNESCO-published History of Civilizations of Central Asia, its editor János Harmatta concludes that the royal tribes and kings of the Xiongnu bore Iranian names, that all Xiongnu words noted by the Chinese can be explained from a Scythian language, and that it is therefore clear that the majority of Hsiung-nu tribes spoke an Eastern Iranian language.
So what about this? Bullshit?

Who were the Huns first and foremost? What language did they speak? Was there more than one? Were they one people or a confederation? Their presence was insignificant culturally and vanished as soon as Attila died. The Avars vanished too and those fucks lived in Pannonia way longer.

We became germans/austrians/hungarians

youtube.com/watch?v=QQFNo4LF2tg&t=28s

You have to get the bigger picture here. The area around Mongolia spoke indo-european because of Yeuzhi confederate that ruled the area before Xiongnu came to be. They were constantly at war and drove the Yeuzhi west and south. One of the Yeuzhi tribes later became the Kushans (but they were attacked once more by the Huns/Xiongnu again. Thats another story)

The old Chinese historical book records show that Xiongnu had no written language. They were referred to as Xwn, a Sogdian language whom they were either friendly with or neutral. The old Sui/Tang book records refer to the Ashina Tribes(They later rose to be the Gok-Turks) as a minor faction within Xiongnu.

They recently showed a result of DNA testing done on the 12 male bodies found within the old king's burial chambers as being all Asiatic Q1a/Q1b. The bodies were split into sacrifices (Q1a) and the kings/Chanyus/princes (Q1b) There was another older "elite" cemetery that had 3 R1a1 (indo-european) bodies. Still, there have been multiple bodies and majority of them have been tested to be Asiatic ~(90%). These bodies are usually found within Mongolia.

Chances are majority of the nobility/ruling were Asiatic with few indo-europeans.

TL:DR Language doesn't always show the real history. The real history behind Xiongnu were they didn't have written language, so they adopted either their neighboring nomadic groups language or they adopted it from the older Yeuzhi empire whom they waged a war and drove them away.

BTFO by Mulan

>be huns
>don't know where they came from
>don't know what happened to them
what did the huns mean by this?

I was drunk yesterday, I-I don't remember.

Hungary probably has some claims to where the Huns settled. The origins of the ruling Huns obviously came from Asia. This is why Atilla is described as a stocky Asiatic man. The majority of the people/tribes Huns conquered are indo-europeans obviously, as they conquered the native tribes of the area.

>Ancient Uyghurs were Turks but some of the modern Uyghurs are Tocharians/Sogdians/Saka

First : Sogdians lived in todays Uzbekistan. According to Kashgarli Mahmut, a Turkic Historian from Xinjang in the 11. century, they mixed with Turkic people, and became Turks. According to the Arabic historian Al Cahiz from the 8. century, the Sogdians and Turks were closer to each other than the Arabs from Mekka and Medina.

Second : The Tocharians lived in Xinjang before the Turkic people. As the Turkic speaking people arrived, the Sogdians were mixed between east Asian and Caucasian, later they mixed with the new arrived Turkic people.

Third : The Proto-Turkic people were a mixture of East Asian, Siberian and Caucasian (Indo-European).

Fourth : Modern Uyghurs are more related with the Karluks, than the old Uyghurs (Karluks are after the Oghuzes the second biggest Turkic tribal-union. The Karluks live in Uzbekistan, Xinjang, parts of Afghanistan, and according to some historians they have also migrated to İran, Azerbaijan and Anatolia because of the Mongol invasion)

Well, the Huns were union of tribes. The Chinese described the Kok Turuks, Dinling, and the Tiele federation as descandent of the Turks. The religious traditions of the Huns survived because of the Kok Türüks. The Asian Xionghu had Turkic, Mongolic and İndo European tribes in it, but we can say that the Turkic were the most dominant. Several Hunnic names, and words can be find in the Turkic people and their languages.

The European Huns had also Turkic, Uralic, İranian, and Germanic tribes. Turkic influences can be find in the ruling class of the European Huns.

the huns did not exist it was 19th century propaganda to justify hungary's claim on romania

Bulgars did not exist back than. The Bulgar federation was first formed under Kok-Turuk rule.(600-700 ad).

They became german chicken.
Chicken in german = Huhn
The second h was added over the centuries

>What language did they speak?
unknown, they were definitely Central Asians and probably related to the Huna.

>Xiongnu in Central Asia
this is where you fucked up, they were an eastern Eurasia thing.
You should be talking about the Xionites.

Did you not hear about the domestication of the horse and Iranians? Eastward migrations were common or at least semi-frequent once. Check out this Sogdian phrygian cap.

Transoxiana.

Not the person you replied to but Xionites are another deformation of the Xun/Hun/Hunnu/Xiongnu. The "Xionites" are refered as "Xyon" by the Kushans. The "Xyon" waged a war against Kushans. Its not a coincidence that "Xwn" also waged a war against the Kushans. The Chinese records state that it was the Xiongnus that destroyed the Yeuzhi (Kushan is a Yeuzhi tribe)

This is a case of historical naming schemes confusing other historians into thinking they're two separate entities. The Xionites are just western Xiongnu.

>Since ... the 18th century, historians have associated the Huns who appeared on the borders of Europe in the 4th century AD with the Xiongnu ("howling slaves") who had invaded China from the territory of present-day Mongolia between the 3rd century BC and the 2nd century AD.[20][21] ... Otto J. Maenchen-Helfen was the first to challenge the traditional approach, based on the study of written sources, and to emphasize the importance of archaeological research.[23] Thereafter the identification of the Xiongnu as the Huns' ancestors became controversial among some.[24]

>The Huns practiced artificial cranial deformation, but there is no evidence of such practice among the Xiongnu.[33] This custom had already been practiced in the Eurasian Steppes in the Bronze Age and in the early Iron Age, but it disappeared around 500 BC.[34] It again started to spread among inhabitants of the region of the Talas River and in the Pamir Mountains in the 1st century BC.[34] In addition to the Huns, the custom is also evidenced among the Yuezhi and Alans.[35] The lengthy pony-tail, which was a characteristic of the Xiongnu, was not documented among the Huns.[36]

>"Thus to refer to Hun-Xiongnu links in terms of old racial theories or even ethnic affiliations simply makes a mockery of the actual historical reality of these extensive, multiethnic, polyglot steppe empires".[37] He also emphasizes that "the ancestors of the Hunnic core tribes … were part of the Xiongnu Empire and possessed a strong Xiongnu element, and the ruling elite of the Huns … claimed to belong to the political tradition of this imperial entity."[37] Taking into account the historical gap between the Chinese reports of the Xiongnu and the European records of the Huns, Peter Heather states: "Even if we do make some connection between fourth-century Huns and first-century [Xiongnu], therefore, an awful lot of water had passed under an awful lot of bridges during 300 years worth of lost history."[36]

pic relevant

>The Xionites are just western Xiongnu.
negative, half of them were the Kidarites

>According to the Chinese sources Kidarites appeared in Kazakhstan and Bactria in 4th century and were branch of the Little Yuezhi. (?[7]) Some of them inherited the Kushan Empire and were called little Kushans.[8][9] Kidarites were also called Red Huns,[10][11] they practiced artificial cranial deformation[12] and were displayed on Sogdian coins as archers riding on the reverse.[13]

Kushans got wiped by the Alchon and Nezak Huns along with the Hephthalites, that much I know.

not really, the populations in east turkestan have shifted greatly over time. The Xiongnu confederacy was defeated over 1500 years ago.

Guys, wasn't Bactria filled with Greeks or something at one point?

>german humour
jesus

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Sorry, it just had to be

The Kidarites are part of the Xiongnu/Xionites/Hunnu tribe. They even went under the "Red Huns", aka Red Xwn, Red Xyn, Red Xiongnu, etc.

They are the western branch of Xiongnu.

>Red Xiongnu
nobody has ever gone by this name, your 18th century theory of Hunnic ethnogenesis has some explanatory gaps.

Kidarites are known as few things like Red Huns, White Huns, Little Yeuzhi, Little Kushan, etc.

They're all connected and related. From timeline, The Yeuzhi split off after being driven off by the Xiongnu. The Greater Yeuzhi moved and later became the Kushans. The little Yeuzhi moved westward and one of the tribes became Kidarites. So how come they claim to be Huns? Because they probably joined the Xiongnu confederates to survive. Another group related to Yeuzhi also joined the Xiongnu in driving off the main Yeuzhi forces, they were the Wusun tribes(relevant later as one of them becomes is the Ashina clan which creates the Gokturk khaganate aka the origins of Turkic nomadic empire). Anyway, the kidarites who joined the Xiongu pushed the Greater Yeuzhi, Kushans, and tookover. Now they probably claim themselves as Yeuzhi to give themselves legitimacy but at the same time, came in as the Xiongnu/Huns. They were known as Red Huns because they went south to the Kushan area. But the Wusun who have probably adopted the Xiongnu proper alliance probably attacked the Red Huns/Kidarites due to some political reasoning. Probably because they saw them as currying up to the enemy. Oh right, The Wusun are known as the Hephthalites. This drove the Kidarites further westward. They were then known as the White Huns.

Aside from my guesstimate political reasoning for the wars, these are (probably) what happened.

As a Hungarian I object. Genetically we are more slavs with some mixed in German than anything.
Also there is 0 evidence that we have amything to do with Huns, though Hun-Magyar wewuzism is really strong here.

Attila is a fucking old Hungarian name from tribal times. Variants of that name were quite common back then.

Mulan gave em a good ass whooping

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>Attila is a fucking old Hungarian name from tribal times
Top Kek. Stop LARPing, you hungarian shit and get a job.

Hungarians are descendants of the Huns.

The huns were a nomadic people who confederated with loads of other peoples. Allthough they ruled over a pretty large swathe of eastern europe they didn't really set down any roots which us why the pretty much vanished after Attila perished and their 'empire' collapsed.

they lost two world wars and one world cup