Can someone tell me the ethnic composition of the Ostgebiete? I'm not an expert on the topic but Poles keep angrily telling me in broken English that these lands were always majority ethnically Polish and were "stolen" by Germans. They claim that Germans only settled there in the 19th century or that the entirety of the territory was taken in the 18th century partitions which is obviously not true.
Why do so many Poles do these mental gymnastics and act buttlasted when disagreed with on this topic? I am not advocating the return of these territories but you cannot just deny their history.
Can someone tell me the ethnic composition of the Ostgebiete...
Luke Lee
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Asher Ross
Get out the popcorn. This thread is going to be awesome.
Ethan Robinson
it was 100% germanic (aryan) (white) (european)
and 0% slavic (mongoloid-asiatic) (non white) (non european)
Jason Robinson
sl*vs just like m*ds should know their place
Juan Evans
German settlers coming to Silesia since the second half of the 13th century, called the native Slavic population of this land "Wasserpolen", and in further centuries this name was also extended into slavic speech of inhabitants of Silesia: "Wasserpolnisch Michsprache". A German geographical description of Silesia from year 1689 notes - for example - that between Oława and Kąty Wrocławskie "sehr polnisch redet". In Kąty Wrocławskie (Kanth) in year 1641 almost half of all artisans / craftsmen belonged to a separate, "Polish artisan guild". One of first decrees of Frederick the Great from year 1764 was directed against the Polish language - by this decree German language was introduced as official language and by the same decree from 1764 it was forbidden to employ in schools teachers who did not use German language. Restrictions for Polish language in schools and offices were introduced.
Initially, Germanization affected the area of Lower Silesia - especially all large cities located in that area. The city of Wroclaw (Breslau) thanks to German settlement became a bilingual city. Gradually Polish language was being replaced by German language in Wroclaw, but nevertheless for a very long time the right bank side of Wroclaw, located on the eastern side of the Oder River, was being called by Germans "Polnische seite". Even a document from as late as 1789 says that population living in the suburbs of Wroclaw was still using Polish language.
In the 19th century Jerzy Samuel Bandtkie wrote:
>"The capital city of Silesia has many Polish-speaking inhabitants, because already 1,5 miles from Wroclaw there are entire Polish-speaking villages, and just 2 or 3 miles from Wroclaw there are entire parishes with majority of Polish-speaking populations, located at the Oder River."
Elijah Davis
In a brochure from 1791, an ethnic German pastor from Breslau - J. W. Pohleg - wrote:
(Source: J. W. Pohleg, "Der Oberschlesier verteidigt gegen seine Widersacher", published in 1791):
>"(...) What is the native language here in Silesia? Because rather not German? Basing on the names of cities and villages in a particular land, we can establish without any doubts, what was the most common language in this land when those cities and villages were built. What do words such as Glogau, Bunzlau, Wohlau, Jauer, Breslau, Brieg mean in German language? Nothing. On the other hand, in Polish language all these words have their meaning! Isn't the conclusion, that when those cities were built, Polish was the regional language in Silesia, true? Isn't this thus true, that accusing a Lower Silesian of speaking German language is more justified than accusing an Upper Silesian of speaking Polish language?* There is so much ignorance shown by your agitators**, who complain so loudly. The thing which they criticize,*** is rather worth praising. Honestly, how pitiful is a nation, which is jeering at people due to their mother tongue - people who are not at fault for using it - and the ones who are mocking, have not enough virtues to judge others genuinely and earnestly. (...)"
* He wrote this after Frederick the Great started oppressing Polish language in Silesia.
** He is writing about agitators of the Prussian king - Frederick William II.
*** And this thing is the fact that Upper Silesians spoke Polish language.
Jackson Lewis
Józef Ignacy Kraszewski during his trip to Breslau from 1869 wrote:
>"(...) Germanization even until this day was not able to fully obliterate traces of old, Slavic extraction. Wroclaw is, we can already say this today, a half-polish city, because its part behind the Oder River, near Tum, even nowadays is called polish* and we can hear Polish language being spoken by inhabitants already in the suburbs of this city. (...)"
* This district of Breslau was called by Germans "Polnische seite".
And an ethnic German scholar - dr Partsch - in his book "Schlesien" from 1896 wrote:
>"(...) It is hard to believe, how could such a thing happen, that on the western side of the Oder River, in the Ohlau District as well as in the vincinity of parts of the Breslau District and the Strehlen District, there could survive completely compact territories of Polish-speaking inhabitants, which includes within its boundaries many important roads and which extends in all directions from the large center of transport that the city of Breslau is. (...)"
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While the Kingdom of Prussia already possessed a large Polish population in Upper Silesia, it gained additional Polish citizens during the partitions of Poland. From the beginnings of Prussian rule, Poles were subject to a series of measures aimed against them and their culture; the Polish language was replaced by German as the official language,[5] and most administration was made German as well; the Prussian ruler Frederick the Great despised Poles and hoped to replace them with Germans. Poles were portrayed as 'backward Slavs' by Prussian officials who wanted to spread German language and culture.[5] The land of Polish nobility was confiscated and given to German nobles.[5] Frederick the Great settled around 300,000 colonists in the Eastern provinces of Prussia and aimed at a removal of the Polish nobility by increasing the German population and trying to reduce Polish owned land.[6] [7] Another colonization attempt aimed at Germanization was pursued by Prussia after 1832,[8] and while Poles constituted 73% of population in 1815, they were reduced to 60% in 1848, at the same time the German presence grew from 25% to 30%.[9] The Poles were freed from Prussians with the arrival of Napoleon, and started a successful uprising against the Prussian forces in 1806.
Parker Barnes
In 1819 the gradual elimination of Polish language in schools began, with German being introduced in its place.[1] This procedure was briefly stopped in 1822 but restarted in 1824.
In 1825 August Jacob, a politician hostile to Poles, gained power over newly created Provincial Educational Collegium in Poznan.[1] Across the Polish territories Polish teachers were being removed from work, German educational programs were being introduced, and primary schooling was being replaced by German one that aimed at creation of loyal Prussian citizens.[1] Already in 1816 the Polish gymnasium in Bydgoszcz was turned into a German school and Polish language removed from classes.
In 1825 the Teacher’s Seminary in Bydgoszcz was Germanized as well[1] While in 1824 a Provincial Parliament was invoked in Greater Poland, the representation was based on wealth census, meaning that the end result gave most of the power to German minority in the area.[1] Even when Poles managed to issue calls asking for enforcing of the guarantees formulated in treaties of Congress of Vienna and proclamations of Prussian King in 1815 they were rejected by Prussia.[1] Thus neither the attempt to create Polish University in Poznań or Polish Society of Friends of Agriculture, Industry and Education were accepted by authorities.[1] Nevertheless, Poles continued to ask for Polish representation in administration of the area, representing the separate character of the Duchy, keeping the Polish character of schools.[1]
Cameron Jenkins
The administrator of the region became Eduard Heinrich Flotwell, a self-declared enemy of Poles, who openly called for Germanization and superiority of German culture over Polish people. Supported by Karl Grolman, a Prussian general, a program was presented that envisioned removing Poles from all offices, courts, judiciary system, and local administration, controlling the clergy, and making peasants loyal through enforced military service. Schools were to be Germanized as well.[1] Those plans were supported by such prominent public figures such as Clauswitz, Gneisenau, Theodor von Schon, and Wilhelm von Humbold.[1] By 1830 the right to use Polish in courts and institutions was no longer respected.[5] While the Poles constituted the majority of population in the area, they held only 4 out of 21 official posts of higher level.[5] From 1832 they could no longer hold higher posts at the local administrative level(Landrat).[5] At the same time the Prussian government and Prussian King pursued Germanization of administration and judicial system, while local officials enforced Germanization of educational system and tried to eradicate the economic position of Polish nobility.[5] In Bydgoszcz the mayors were all Germans. In Poznań, out of 700 officials, only 30 were Poles. Flotwell also initiated programs of German colonization and tried to reduce Polish landownership in favor of Germans.[1] In the time period of 1832-1842 the number of Polish holdings was reduced from 1020 to 950 and the German ones increased from 280 to 400.[1
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Also, the partition coalition forced King Stanislaw to abdicate and he retired to St. Petersburg as Catherine II's trophy prisoner, where he died in 1798. Austria, Russia, and Prussia sought to permanently erase the existence of Poland, even down to the country's name, as proven by a secret and separate article signed by the partition coalition:
"In view of the necessity to abolish everything which could revive the memory of the existence of the Kingdom of Poland, now that the annulment of this body politic has been effected the high contracting parties are agreed and undertake never to include in their titles ... the name or designation of the Kingdom of Poland, which shall remain suppressed as from the present and forever".
Nicholas Sullivan
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The term "Polish Border Strip" (German: Polnischer Grenzstreifen; Polish: polski pas graniczny) or "Polish Frontier Strip" refers to those territories which the German Empire wanted to annex from Congress Poland after World War I. It appeared in plans proposed by German officials as a territory to be ceded by the Kingdom of Poland to the German Empire after an expected German and Central Powers victory. German planners also envisioned forced expulsion and resettlement of the Polish and Jewish population which would be replaced by German colonists.[1][2][3] The proposed area of the Border Strip comprised up to 30,000 km2 (approximately the size of Belgium), and up to 3 million people were to be removed by the German Empire to make room for Germans.[3] The strip was also intended to separate the Polish inhabitants of Prussian-held Greater Poland from those in Congress Poland.
In July 1917 the German supreme command under General Ludendorff, as part of the debate and planning regarding the cession of the "border strip" to Germany, specified its own designs in a memorandum.[1] It proposed annexing a greatly enlarged "border strip" of 20,000 square kilometres, and removing the pre-existing Polish and Jewish population (numbering between 2,000,000 and 3,000,000[3]) from a territory of 8,000 square kilometres and settling it with ethnic Germans.[1][2][5] Poles living in Prussia, especially in the province of Posen, were to be "encouraged" by unspecified means to move into the German-ruled Kingdom of Poland.[3]
Lincoln Cooper
The German minority living in Congress Poland, which had earlier suggested the annexation of all territory up to Łódź in a letter to the German government, also supported such proposals.[6] The German government developed and agreed to these plans in March 1918, and in April gained support in the Prussian House of Lords; the plans for this were debated and developed across a wide spectrum of political parties and interested groups such as political scientists, industrialists, and nationalist organisations like the Pan-German League.[3] Parts of the plans were adopted by Nazis after the war, and implemented in the genocidal Generalplan Ost.[3]
Samuel Morales
Prussian betrayal of Poland in 1655. A duchy created by Poland out of mercy to Teutons' last grand master. Rulers were Polish senators and were given a free rein how to rule their duchy. Later on, Poland propped it up several times, even refusing to kick the Hohenzolern dukes out when their other dominions are occupied by Sweden in the Thirty Years' War.
When Poland got invaded by Sweden, the duke switches sides and joins Sweden laying foundation to the Prussia that so many autists love that much.
Anthony King
to be honest germans were terrible at germanization as long as it didn't include stuff like executions or deportations
>Polonization also occurred during times when a Polish state didn't exist, despite the empires that partition Poland applied the policies aimed at reversing the past gains of Polonization or aimed at replacing Polish identity and eradication of Polish national group.
>The Polonization took place in the early years of the Prussian partition, where, as a reaction to the persecution of Roman Catholicism during the Kulturkampf, German Catholics living in areas with a Polish majority voluntarily integrated themselves within Polish society, affecting approximately 100,000 Germans in the eastern provinces of Prussia.
>According to some scholars the biggest successes in Polonization of the non-Polish lands of former Commonwealth were achieved after the Partitions, in times of persecution of Polishness (noted by Leon Wasilewski, Mitrofan Dovnar-Zapolsky). Paradoxically, the substantial eastward movement of the Polish ethnic territory (over these lands) and growth of the Polish ethnic regions were taking place exactly in the period of the strongest Russian attack on everything Polish in Lithuania and Belarus.
Michael Thompson
>to be honest germans were terrible at germanization
To this day their capital has Slavic name so...
Juan Flores
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Jose Green
That was because slavs lived there from the 400s (when they were displaced by the Huns from their homeland in Russia) to the 900s (when they were driven back by the Holy Roman Empire).
Jayden Lee
Warschau is German sailor speak meaning "watch out"
Isaiah Reed
look at that hun butthurt
Gabriel Jackson
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Wahrschau
1. Warnruf: „Achtung!“, „Vorsicht!“ (aus dem Niederdeutschen: Warnung[13], aus mittelniederdeutsch warschuwinge = Warnung[14], vergl. niederländisch waarschuwen = warnen). Davon abgeleitet wahrschauen:[15] warnen, instruieren, benachrichtigen
It's true though
Joseph Morgan
Slav civilization got created by Nordics. Without us you would still be living in mudhuts You knew this and you voluntarily invited Germans to civilize you
Jaxon Ross
It's not. Don't expect anyone to take that seriously.
Jonathan Kelly
>Nordics
>Germans
hehe
Nathan Campbell
Poles are some of the biggest whiners on this site they're always rambling about the golden age when "muh Pooland stronk xDDD" and "muh winged hussars"; Germans have living in some places like Neumark for longer than any Pole shit can claim credit otherwise.
Chase Wright
t. self-hating polack
Ethan Morgan
It seems like Germans has no honour. You fucked up entire century for millions of people and can't deal with loss of some land.
Logan Gutierrez
Here is a map of the 1910 German Empire census. The green areas have over 50% / 70% / 85% Polish population, the red areas have over 50% / 70% / 85% German population.
I've marked the interwar German-Polish border with a red line.
Kevin Smith
Germans are not Nordics.
Josiah Campbell
>He deosn’t know about germanization
Eli Martin
now show one after danzig masacre
Chase Torres
i wish stormfags were just banned already
Isaac White
>as a reaction to the persecution of Roman Catholicism during the Kulturkampf, German Catholics living in areas with a Polish majority voluntarily integrated themselves within Polish society, affecting approximately 100,000 Germans in the eastern provinces of Prussia.
Hilarious.
Ethan Ortiz
Settlement of the areas shown on your map ("Deutsche Gebiete unter polnischer Verwaltung"/Ostgebiete/Ostdeutschland/Schlesien, Pommern, Preußen, Ostpreußen) started in the mid-12th century under Henry the Lion (Heinrich der Löwe), the antagonist of Friedrich I "Barbarossa". Because of population growth and the law of partible inheritance in Germanic customs (the estate gets split up between all of the sons instead of just going to the oldest, best example the Treaty of Verdun) there was a certain overpopulation and lack of arable land in the west of the HRE. Henry t.L. encouraged lower Saxonian, Flemish or Dutch settlers to move east into sparsely populated areas and clear forests or drain swamps, to increase arable land and support the population growth. The western settlers were encouraged and welcomed by the Polish nobles, since they brought along advanced methods of clearing, swamp draining, architecture, agriculture and other forms of craftmanship. Of course more settlers from the west also meant more income for the nobles, in the thinly populated areas in the east. This trend continued throughout the "middle ages", encouraged again by the Teutonic Order (Deutschritterorden). Many cities were founded by Germans under advanced law systems, like the Sachsenspiegel, Culmer Stadtrecht ("Chelmno city law") or Hanseatic law.
Aaron Lewis
Invaders have often adopted the local name for a place. Just look at america.
Mason Lee
The Germans had expanded and assimilated cultures to the east centuries earlier, so they are much harder to make a case for, but the interwar borders were completely fair.
Caleb Rogers
delete this
Wyatt Cooper
Most of the german areas east of the oder were populated by non-polish slavs and balts anyway. Poland claiming them now is a lot like bantu africans claiming south africa when they really arrived there after the boers.
Parker Hernandez
They were the same shit at the end of the day
You could say the same for "Germans"
Kayden Jackson
German imperialism absolutely BTFO ITT.
Connor Hernandez
>to be honest germans were terrible at germanization
Reminder that a Habsburg Archduke was imprisoned and tortured by the Germans throughout WW2 for refusing to give up Polish citizenship and accept German citizenship.
Blake Gray
This map is wrong
Ryan Edwards
Im pretty sure west silesia, pomerania and east prussia were majority german in 1914 though im not sure about the other regions
Ryder Adams
Which part?
Christian Scott
Everything. That land belongs to Germany, which Poland stole, ethnic Germans were being massacred. The map is clearly fabricated by the jews.
Jonathan Wood
But it's a German Empire government census map.
Brayden Perez
He said the jews!!!!!!!!!
Luis Hernandez
> ban Polish language
> oppress anyone speaking Polish
> mandate German as official language
> anybody speaking German is now legally a German
Hay look guys, there's not a single Polack in the area!...
Jayden Lee
>claiming
It's not claim. They have it. Stalin gave this land to Poland and took away much larger land on east. Have some empathy for poor Poles. They were fucked from all directions. No wonder they're little whiny.
Benjamin Foster
Vargs loves Slavs
Luke Morris
not an argument
Josiah Stewart
What the fuck are you talking about you fuck? People living in pre WWII Eastern Germany were the same as ones living in Western and Northern Poland, germanised west slavs.
Hunter Peterson
t. Hun subhuman
Isaac Cruz
>these lands were always majority ethnically Polish and were "stolen" by Germans.
And that is true.
Nolan King
Are you completely fucking retarded?
Landon Diaz
>This map shows ethnic composition of Silesia around the mid-17th century (in mid-1600s). Black line shows the later border of Prussian-controlled Silesia as of 1905. Red - areas with ethnic Polish majority. Blue - areas with ethnic German majority. Yellow - areas with ethnic Sorbian majority. Green - areas with ethnic Czech majority. Ethnic boundaries are more detailed / reliable within the black borders than outside:
Hunter Martinez
>By comparison approximate area with ethnic German majority in Silesia ca. year 1333 (so ~300 years earlier than situation shown above):
Grayson Allen
>Prussian betrayal of Poland in 1655. A duchy created by Poland out of mercy to Teutons' last grand master.
>When Poland got invaded by Sweden, the duke switches sides and joins Sweden
This so much.
>The Prussian Homage (by Jan Matejko, 1882, National Museum, Kraków): Albert receives eastern Prussia as a fief from King Sigismund I of Poland in 1525.
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P.S. Prussia was a mistake. Poland should have never created Prussia.
Juan Anderson
Did I mention that Prussia was a mistake?
Oliver Morales
Well this.
>§Berlin lies in northeastern Germany, east of the river Elbe and its tributary (Saxon/Thuringian) Saale, which once constituted the eastern border of the Frankish Realm. While the Frankish Realm was primarily inhabited by Germanic tribes like the Franks and the Saxons, the regions east of the border rivers were inhabited by Slavic tribes. This is why most of the cities and villages in northeastern Germany have Slavic-derived names (Germania Slavica). Typical German place name endings of Slavic origin are -ow, -itz, -itzsch and -in. The name Berlin has its roots in the language of West Slavic inhabitants of the area of today's Berlin, and may be related to the Old Polabian stem berl-/birl- ("swamp").[26] There are many boroughs of Slavic origin in the city: Berlin-Karow, Berlin-Malchow, Berlin-Pankow, Berlin-Spandau (earlier: Spandow), Berlin-Gatow, Berlin-Kladow, Berlin-Steglitz, Berlin-Lankwitz, Berlin-Britz, Berlin-Buckow, Berlin-Rudow, Berlin-Alt-Treptow, Berlin-Schmöckwitz, Berlin-Marzahn, Berlin-Buch, and Berlin-Köpenick. Since the Ber- at the beginning sounds like the German word Bär (bear), a bear appears in the coat of arms of the city. It is therefore a canting arm.
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Ayden Bennett
>Slav civilization got created by Nordics.
That's retarded, because even thought East Slavs were united by Nordic Varangian Vikings into one country called Rus, Slavic civilization and culture is 500 years older than Rus - which culture was mainly Slavic to begin with.
Besides there are the West Slavs as well and Poland always had this idea and mission to civilize Rus.
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Michael Williams
they werent slavic lands you fucking mongtard. they were german lands in which upper german ubermensch ruled over slavic, literally slave. it doesnt make it there land. it makes some serfs peasents and commoners working on other peoples property. literally fucking we wuz. god and people read this shit
Anthony Perry
>Germans have living in some places like Neumark for longer than any Pole shit can claim credit otherwise.
You're stupid aren't you?
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Ryan Foster
>they werent slavic lands you fucking mongtard.
>they were german lands in which upper german ubermensch ruled over slavic, literally slave.
Look at this GERMan retard:
Nathan Smith
>It seems like Germans has no honour.
Of course they have not.
>You fucked up entire century for millions of people and can't deal with loss of some land.
Multiple times my friend, multiple times...
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Juan Garcia
>danzig masacre
What a fucking retard... THERE IS NO SUCH MASSACRE.
>the Free City of Danzig (like the Territory of the Saar Basin) remained directly under the authority of the League of Nations.
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I think you're thinking about this below, which makes you still retarded.
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Andrew Wright
>areas east of the oder were populated by non-polish slavs
>non-polish slavs
>non-polish
Wtf are even you talking about you retarded kraut?
Nolan Rivera
It's not a government map. It was made by Jacob Spett and was critisized by German scholars for its alleged frequent errors. They also suspected that the map was made at the behest of the Polish Club in Vienna and that Spett was Jewish.
Kayden Edwards
>That land belongs to Germany, which Poland stole,
>which Poland stole,
OY ZWEI!
>ethnic Germans were being massacred.
Absolute BS Germans even had their own German repersentation in the Second Polish Republic's parliment during the interwar period.
>The map is clearly fabricated by the jews.
xDDD Yes, we Poles know GERMs act like fucking Jews: "this land is ours, God gave it to us (because we stole it from the Slavs)", "we are the UBERMENSCH because GOTT MITT UNS!" etc., etc. Fuck off Germ-Jews.
Josiah Foster
This just shows what the German Nazis were really about.
>Józef Michał Hubert Unrug was born in Brandenburg an der Havel into a Polish family, of German descent, son of Tadeusz Unrug, a Generalmajor in the Prussian Army. After graduating from the gymnasium in Dresden, Unrug completed Naval college in 1907 and began his service in the German Navy. During World War I he commanded a U-boat, and was promoted to command a submarine flotilla.
>In 1919, after Poland regained independence, Unrug left Germany and volunteered for the Polish Army. Soon afterwards he was transferred to the nascent Polish Navy, where he served as chief of the Hydrographic Division and then as commanding officer of a submarine flotilla. One of the most skilled officers in the Polish Navy, Unrug was quickly promoted to Rear Admiral. Overcoming his limitations in the Polish language, in 1925 he became Admiral of the fleet of the Polish Navy.
> In the last camp he was the highest-ranking officer and commander of the Polish soldiers interned there. The Germans treated him with great respect as a former German officer by bringing former Imperial German Navy friends to visit him with the intention of making him switch sides. Unrug responded by refusing to speak German, saying that he had forgotten that language in September 1939. To the irritation of the Germans, Unrug would always insist on having a translator present or communicate in French, even though he spoke German like a native.
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Nathaniel Gray
How are krauts so absurdly dumb ?
James Robinson
They are desperate to justify their existence in Eastern Europe.
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Jordan Morgan
>“I was taught to ascribe the origin of my blood and name to Polish noblemen who were called Niëtzky and left their home and nobleness about a hundred years ago, finally yielding to unbearable suppression: they were Protestants."
- Nachlass, Sommer 1882 21 [2]
>"my ancestors were Polish noblemen, even my grandfather's mother was Polish"
- letter to Heinrich von Stein, December 1882
>"My ancestors were Polish noblemen (Niëzky); it seems that the type is well preserved in spite of three German "mothers"
- letter to Georg Brandes, 10 April 1888
>"I thank Heaven, that in all of my instincts I am a Pole and nobody else."
- letter to Meta von Salis, 29 December 1888
>"And yet my ancestors were Polish noblemen: it is owing to them that I have so much race instinct in my blood, who knows? perhaps even the liberum veto."
- Ecce homo, chapter 3 (Warum ich so weise bin)
>"I am enough Polish, to give away all the music of the world just in exchange for Chopin."
- Ecce homo, chapter 4 (Warum ich so klug bin)
>"I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood.”
- Nietzsche Contra Democracy by Fredrick Appel, page 114
>“Germany is a great nation only because its people have so much Polish blood in their veins. [...]
>”I am proud of my Polish descent."
- The Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche by H. L. Mencken, page 6
Matthew Lewis
Przepraszam, my name is Pan Fredryk Niëzky.
I’m a 38 year old German filozof (philosopher for you obcokrajowcy) of Polish descent. I write books, compose music daily, and spend my days perfecting my art while reading superior Polish Romantic literature (Mickiewicz, Goszczyński, Mochnacki etc.).
I train with my szabla and perfect my Polish cross cutting art every day. This superior weapon is ideal for both horseback and on-foot fighting, allowing for faster and swifter combination of strikes, and combined with Polish technique is vastly superior to any other cold weapon on earth.
I speak Polish fluently, both Greater and Lesser Polish dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Polish history and their Sarmatian code, which I follow 100%.
When I get my Polish visa, I am moving to Warsaw to attend a prestigious university to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become a professor at University of Warsaw or a music composer!
I own several żupan and kontusz, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to Poland, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and speak Polish as often as I can.
Dankę and wish me luck in Poland!
P.S. culture.pl
Justin Green
Literally none of the ethnic maps ITT account for population density. The situation around Silesia especially would look a lot different.
Wyatt Powell
Nach Polen reist man nicht, nach Polen marschiert man!
Carson Hughes
Is this another G*rman parasite fifth column hate thread?
Parker Ward
Polish pre-war per capita
industry and mine production: 215 zloty
post occupation: 423 zloty
Yearly coal production + 100 million tons. That's 25 times the lost petrol in the east
+40% iron, +100% steel and so on.
I don't know where Poles get the audacity to claim all this as their own. Even if in prehistoric times a Pole lived there, they sure as hell didn't do anything for the economic output they robbed.
Matthew Brown
>to be honest germans were terrible at germanization
It's strange how Central and Eastern European empires were terrible at stomping out nationalism while Western European empires (with the exception of Britain in Ireland, although they still inflicted a lot of damage) were pretty good at it.
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Matthew Perry
It's an interesting question and I'll give you the basic points. Both sides have decent reasons. The land was originally Germanic in Roman times and continued until Slavic populations entered largely-abandoned territory in the Dark Ages.
>East Germanic tribes like Goths inhabit modern-day Poland for centuries and eventually leave because of the Huns
>Barbarian Migration Period
>Slavic groups migrate into modern-day Poland and Polans form the Piast dynasty.
>Teutonic colonists migrate into Poland and Old Prussia, assimilating some of the local population.
>Poland-Lithuania period
>Prussian Acquisition
>German Empire
Who lived there first? Germanic people, but distinct, as in not ancestral, to modern Germans.
Who continuously lived there longest? Slavic people, but not the same as Polish people.
Another issue to consider is the massive territorial replacements that have happened in the 20th century. Poland was perhaps more accurately sized in it's first, post-WW1 incarnation.
Jacob Bell
>The land was originally Germanic in Roman times and continued until Slavic populations entered largely-abandoned territory in the Dark Ages.
>>Slavic groups migrate into modern-day Poland and Polans form the Piast dynasty.
>Who lived there first? Germanic people,
See bottom of this thread
Jordan Sanchez
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Isaiah Jackson
I mean this
Jack Walker
This is not Y-DNA studies. It only means that Slavs raped local women (which is probably what happened because there is no Slavic DNA in Western Poland in early medieval times).
Benjamin Evans
>raped
Nice cuckold fantasy you got there.
Kayden Cruz
You are deliberately misrepresenting sources:
>DNA from teeth suggests some warriors are related to modern southern Europeans and others to people living in modern-day Poland and Scandinavia.
> As far as archaeologists can tell, people here were loosely connected culturally to Scandinavia
>Numerous archaeological findings of imported Scandinavian products prove contacts to Nordic Bronze Age peoples.
This is also thousands of years before there is even a conception of Germanic and Slavic.
Jason Lewis
ME_7, Markowice (1000-1200 AD), I1a2a2a5-Y5384
GO_1, Gniezno (1000-1200 AD), R1b1a2-L150.1
NA_13, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621
NA_18, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), J2a1a-L26
Does this look Polish to you?
Isaiah Scott
Nationalists are morons. Larping as Corded Ware is very common now among Poles.
Gabriel Price
Back to /pol/ faggot
Jordan Morris
>Larping as Corded Ware
Glad someone else caught this too, I've seen this numerous times on the internet now. Anyways, Corded Ware is ancestral to Germanic and Slavic groups both, so it's quite stupid to WEWUZ it like that.
Jackson Barnes
You're stupid aren't you or even worse a stupid Slav/poleshit?
en.wikipedia.org
Jaxson Myers
>This is also thousands of years before there is even a conception of Germanic and Slavic.
That is exactly my point, and modern Poles are related to those people who fought and lived in that part of Europe thousands years before.