What are your best examples of systemic racism?

black people calling white people lame in twitter

koji je ovo kurac Slovenac?

Could you explain what it says for people who don't speak former-Yugoslavian?

pusti ribo naj živi v miru, ribolovski uskok, ne bodi tat hrvat :r)

It's just a leaflet for the play that satirises german systemic "racism" in slovene lands in the 18th century.

Koja od te dve predstave je satira o nemackom institucionalizovanom rasizmu?

Županova Micka

In the US, black men receive 20% longer sentences for the same crime as white men with similar backgrounds and individuals who are shot by the police have a higher median probability of being unarmed black individuals than being armed white individuals.

not sure about the evidence on the former but the latter was shown to not be the case in the following 2016 work by black harvard prof Roland Fryer scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/main-july_2016.pdf

>muh sentencing disparity
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886913000470
>One of the most consistent findings in the criminological literature is that African American males are arrested, convicted, and incarcerated at rates that far exceed those of any other racial or ethnic group. This racial disparity is frequently interpreted as evidence that the criminal justice system is racist and biased against African American males. Much of the existing literature purportedly supporting this interpretation, however, fails to estimate properly specified statistical models that control for a range of individual-level factors. The current study was designed to address this shortcoming by analyzing a sample of African American and White males drawn from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health). Analysis of these data revealed that African American males are significantly more likely to be arrested and incarcerated when compared to White males. This racial disparity, however, was completely accounted for after including covariates for self-reported lifetime violence and IQ. Implications of this study are discussed and avenues for future research are offered.

Fryer’s study has already been refuted: scholar.harvard.edu/jfeldman/blog/roland-fryer-wrong-there-racial-bias-shootings-police

Shit reading comprehension. He was pointing out that black men receive harsher sentences than white men on average for committing *the same crime*.

There's also a disparity between women and men in that regard (women get off lighter) but that doesn't fit into anyone's narratives so you don't hear about it.

nice peer review

>black men receive harsher sentences than white men on average for committing *the same crime*.

previous convictions influence sentencing so someone getting caught the third time can receive a harsher sentence than a first time criminal even for the same crime

quora apparently shadow-banned my alt from asking this question. given that this previous link had only 1 response i wonder whether this is a topic they suppress discussion on.

they had previously suppressed another question i had asked where i was pressing for quantitative data on the negative impact from segregation.

thin skins :-/

go fuck yourself

The study we are talking about takes into account previous convictions

>being presumed a bigot for questioning the systemic racism narrative

giving black people jobs instead of white people because they are black

letting black people into a university for writing a poem while a white person has to work for it

When me and my friend were applying for scholarships for school and I received nothing and he received more then what he asked for. There is literally no difference in our lives besides race and that I live in the house next door to his.

The most glaring examples are in marketing like how companies will market products differently to different nationalities . Like how the star wars movies like to play down the black angle with the chinese audience.

Theres that one picture of mens hair dye and the one formulated for blacks is the only one behind shop lifting lock.

go fuck yourself

so its racist that marketings spin the trailer to make the Chinese want to see it? or its racist that the Chinese don't want to see something with a black male lead? given that 'systemic racism' is usually used in reference to institutions such as government, academia, etc. i would lean towards saying this is not an example, although it is an example of racism in general.

i also don't see how your second is an example if its being sold in an area that has higher rates of shoplifting. the alternative is that businesses just leave. which i'm guessing also would be considered systemic racism. (white flight if whites move out; gentrification if they move in.)

Non-meme answer.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

>"For example, in Atlanta in the 1980s, a Pulitzer Prize-winning series of articles by investigative reporter Bill Dedman showed that banks would often lend to lower-income whites but not to middle- or upper-income blacks.[9]"

Why is America such a shithole?

Capitalism is inherently discriminitory. Where you have competition for markets. "Brand loyalty" . Etc... its a system that welcomes discrimination, individuation, product identity,
Mainly becuase it caters to needs and preferences. And suprise surprise we are pretty fucking prejudice in our beliefs. Which the marketing and advertisement industry industry continue to perpetuate.

What's wrong with any of that?

unfortunate byproduct of how emancipation and desegregation was handled

not him, and his first go fuck yourself was not warranted

but it is now

life sure has been an unending parade of horrors for you, eh?

For something so universally acknowledged there sure is weak evidence being presented.

Modern day Gaza.

they're the same race

The War on Drugs and its disproportionate impact on minority grops in terms of sentencing.

drugpolicy.org/issues/race-and-drug-war

We were too soft on Southern rebel cuck scum.

Not according to the "hebrews".

You didnt say you wanted evil or morally wrong examples of systemic racism.
Any system that has a heirarchy like the capitalist structure. Like the indian and chinese caste systems. Are inherently racist in order to maintain "integrity" among their upper level socio economic strata.

Its not wrong becuase under a capitalist free market system, much like we are or wish ourselves to be in, it isnt considered wrong.
Capitalism thrives in a "racist,prejudiced" world, where communism thrives in a one world global culture.

>communism wouldn't have its own caste system
ok user

Difference in loans despite having the exact same financial background?
Financial institutions targeting certain groups with bad loans?

Redlinung happens in the north.

if its ok to charge difference car insurance rates based upon sex why is it wrong to charge different lending rates based upon race?

Outside of this, I can think of no other way systemic racism (against non-whites) exists, maybe racial profiling? I live in CA and am not white so I've never experienced racism in my life outside of getting pulled over multiple times on the same night when I was visiting a friend in a really shitty Latino neighborhood

For-profit prisons and strict marijuana laws because most people on the pot are jazz musicians

>if its ok to charge difference car insurance rates based upon sex

It is wrong though

>It is wrong though
why?

lmao, this is some serious desperate straw-grabbing

Because maybe it's based on preconceived notions and myths instead of on raw data. Though I believe men generally are charged more.

Affirmative Action is the most explicitly racist.
Jim Crow laws.

>all perceived differences must be due to stereotypes! We are all absolutely equal in all possible ways!
Your brain on cultural marxism.

car insurance is a competitive market and its literally based on reams of data and the fact that men drive more aggressively than women and therefore get in more accidents and therefore result in higher expenditures for the firm and therefore necessitate higher insurance premiums

what's wrong with this, exactly?

Due to location that they live, not skin color.

Because Lincoln forcefully freed the slaves

I never said that, but it's equally laughable to assume something is true because that's just a general "vibe". If they actually do research like
Said I have no fucking problem with that. But I think a lot of the edgy kids here assume it's a problem of women needing to pay more because women suck at driving or something. I was just explaining what could some potential issues come from this. I also know blacks are statistically higher to have high blood pressure (to avoid crime issues) so I understand why an insurance company would charge higher, but sometimes companied can act irrational.

I think judges stationed near ghettos are just sick of all the niggers they have to see doing the same shit and totally remorseless of their actions.

its men that pay more doofus. are you non-US or under 16 years old? this is like general knowledge.

>I also know blacks are statistically higher to have high blood pressure (to avoid crime issues)
avoiding crime causes high blood pressure?

I never denied that, I know that, but I assumed edgy kiddies here think the argument comes from "women have to pay more because they are worse drivers" and it was feminist shit or something.
To avoid talking about crime and race you mongrel jesus.

I've always wondered about these studies. Do they take into account defense strategies? Do they only look at criminal cases where public defenders are heading the defense? Do they only look at plea deals?

I don't disagree with the findings, but I've always wondered if these are taken into account. If it were me, I'd only look at:
>cases where private attorneys were not hired for the defense
>cases where the defendants with no or similar criminal records (I know they already do this) enter guilty pleas

These people are probably smarter than me so I assume their system is more advanced and accounts for more variables. The US justice system in general is pretty shit for people who don't have money.

city-journal.org/html/what-criminologists-dont-say-and-why-15328.html
> Unfortunately, criminology has had a long history of suppressing evidence for expressly political reasons. For most of its history, the discipline has overtly censored research, for instance, on biological, genetic, and neurological factors that scientists have shown to be associated with antisocial traits and behavioral problems. Even today, despite lots of hard scientific evidence—such as that 50 percent of the variance in antisocial behavior is attributable to genetic factors, or neuroimaging studies that show systemic structural and functional brain differences between offenders and non-offenders—those who pursue this line of research get branded as racists or even eugenicists. We have personally experienced hostile receptions when presenting our work in these areas at professional conferences and have been excoriated in the anonymous-review process when attempting to publish our papers. The disciplinary animus toward the study of biological factors extends to other individual factors, including intelligence and personality, and to a range of traits, such as callous and unemotional behavior, psychopathy, and self-control.

advanced tools won't help you if the person wielding the tool is interested in a particular outcome rather than the truth

This was my first thought.

Also you're less likely to get called back for a job if your name sounds "black."

Source: Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination, National Bureau of Economic Research

nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf

>Implying Communism has ever thrived, anywhere

except in reading/writing literacy tests whites tend to score better than blacks with superior education levels, so its not an apples to apples comparison (source: the 2002 national adult literacy survey nces.ed.gov/pubs93/93275.pdf)

*cough*

Jewish nepotism/racism, most obviously Israel.

>N O T A L L

that is a horrible critique, is this "refutation" really less than a page long?

>men drive more aggressively than women and therefore get in more accidents
no, men spend more time driving than women
that's why they get in more accidents

The only real, current systemic racism that I'm seeing here is the drug issue. Am I mistaken?

The opioid epidemic

How is this systemic racism?

>lazy black can't be bothered to fuck me, asks whitey to do all the work for him again

M8, all the resumes were the same, the only thing different was the name. There's no explanation there, it's purely discrimination.

Oh look, a wild Dindu appeared.

There's some homework for you to do.

>People put tons of payday loan and bail bond shops in shitty Black neighborhood in

It's almost like businesses move where business is. They did pilots of fresh veg and rice, etc in bodegas and no one bought it.

This. Whitey always keepin us down.
Cracka-ass Poh-leese arrestin us an shiet.
Jus tryin to be a real hustla an keep dat paper flowin, ya hear?

Same as mechanics charging women more. You up charge clients you think are less savvy.

M8, you failed to grasp my point.
per the National Adult Literacy Survey, at any education level (HS only, college degree, post-college, etc.) those people surveyed who were white had superior reading and writing skills to those who were surveyed who were black.

employers ultimately are most interested in who can do the job best. research shows that short of an actual test of actually performing the job itself that the best predictor of job performance is IQ. unfortunately by law employers are not allowed to give IQ tests. education instead serves as a rough proxy to IQ. however affirmative action has diluted the value of education as a signaling mechanism. we also know that IQ correlates with race--the median black IQ being a standard deviation below the media white IQ.

>In the US, black men receive 20% longer sentences for the same crime
that's because the niggers committing the "same crimes" as whites have no redeeming quality, show no remorse, have no positive impact in their community, and are all repeat offenders.

Veeky Forums

A textbook example of how to fail at convincing people.

So you aren't arguing against my point that job employers are discriminating against black people?

ITT: people who think there's anything wrong with discriminating.

I guess it depends what you mean by discrimination. If it's discrimination to hire the best people, sure. But the argument is fallacious in that the resumes are not apples-to-apples.

also, if you truly cared about remediating this issue you would be a proponent of legalizing employers being able to administer IQ tests.

That's your best guess?

If an employer hires a white person over a black person because he wrote a better resume, there's no problem. It is simply true that white Americans have on average better education and therefor higher literacy.

The problem is that employers aren't basing it on the resumes. As shown by the paper, they'd favour resumes of whites over blacks, even when the resume was exactly the same. Actually not even white, white sounding names. There's no logical component there, that's just purely discrimination.

Imagine if you were tested for neurological predisposition to criminal behavior during a routine police questioning after, say, somebody rear-ended you at a stop sign. That test found you to score low on sociality and high on neuroticism and selfishness, indicating a possible inclination toward aggression and violence. From now on, this information is on record and can be used against you in court, skewing the actual evidence in cases where you are innocent by predisposing both judge and jury to assume the worst of you.

This is equivalent to America's current practice of assuming by default that men are more aggressive and less emotionally centered than women, and thus that men are to blame for instances of domestic abuse or workplace harassment claims.

In the United States, we strive imperfectly to protect people's thoughts and inner feelings from being extracted without their consent. That's why torture or "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" is illegal, and why we have the Fifth Amendment protecting a defendant's right not to answer questions in a court of law. It's why police are supposed to make an arrestee aware of his or her rights, even if they don't always read them aloud right away like in movies.

I'm sure I'll get answers like "I'm not American lol ur argument is invalid", but other countries do not enumerate the negative freedoms of their citizens nearly as well as we do, and a big part of that should be protecting psychological or "biological" data about those citizens by not collecting it routinely. In actual practice, though, we have a lot to improve on.

so would you be ok with employers administering IQ tests?

In theory I wouldn't have a problem with administering IQ tests to applicants. In practice I'm against it however, for a reason that's only tangentially related to the race issue.

i'd be curious for your rationale.

re: the employment discrimination. are you of the opinion that the employers are acting rationally and irrationally? and how would you propose solving the callback issue?