Daily reminder that Tibet is rightful PRC clay and the Dalai Lama is a terrorist

The Western griping over Tibet is one of the most hypocritical things ever.

>Tibet emerges as an independent country in 1912 because the Republic of China was so fucking weak it couldn't hold the old Qing Empire's borders together.
>However it is only recognized by Britain (it was a protectorate of them), Mongolia (whom Tibet signed a mutual recognition pact to uphold each other's independence claims vs. ROC, and Japan (to fuck up China and have a sphere of influence in the region).
>To much of the world, it was one of China's warlord groups that splintered the country.

>Fast forward 1951 following the battle of Chamdo. PRC China drags Tibet back to the Chinese state.
>It's suddenly a problem for Westerncucks.
>Nevermind that for decades they didn't recognize it.

/pol/ is generally opposed to anything that so-called "communist" countries do. the majority of the userbase are centre-right Americans who came from Reddit during the election.

Put simply, China has had political sovereignty over Tibet since the late 1300s and effective control since the 1700s.

And if you want to challenge that sovereignty, enjoy nuclear weapons pointed at your capital. Power is a very important part of sovereignty.

>colonialism
That political construct requires a very crucial definition to be fulfilled. China specifically lacks that definition because Tibet is an integral part of China and all people in the area are Chinese citizens with full legal rights.

I’m not saying it is all fine and dandy, but the actual definition of colonialism does not fit Tibet. No more than it does Guangdong, Yunnan, Scotland, Catalonia, Crimea, or Okinawa.

If you call /pol/ center-right, then what the fuck is "right" or "far-right"? Kill all the jews even worse?

That's basically saying that since Germany/Prussia had control of West Poland for a century or two they had every "right" to invade and split it with the Russians again in 1939.

>Might makes right rears it's ugly head again.

You haven' been on /pol/ in a while have you? It's almost a parody at this point

>/pol/ is one person or idea

Didnt they have a caste system that made ancient India look like a liberal democracy?
I know I read something a while back tjat mentioned some of the less savory parts of Tibetan society. Instead of the usual hur hur noble savage nonsense

Westerb Hypocrisy aside, the Han replacement genocide of Tibetans is inexcusable

And before it was “part” of Chinese sphere, it was its own empire for a couple centuries.

Fawlty logic

No worse than the Aztecs or Incans, and we all know how they were innocent peoples brutally murdered by the wh*Te capitalists. /s

Here is a picture of liberated Tibetan serfs burning land deeds and servitude records. Before the Chinese invasion Tibet was a theocratic feudalistic slave state where much of the populace were literately slaves to estate owning land lords. The conditions these people lived and were forced to work in make what happened in the american south seem tame by comparison. I have read an account of a serf ordered to lift his left hand by his master. When he complied, his master literately picked up his rifle and shot off his left arm before turning away and laughing. Serfs could be punished and were punished in any way their masters saw fit with records of serfs having their eyes gouged out, limbs cut off, tendons torn out, literally being skinned alive, or simply killed outright. And sometimes, such as in the example above, they were maimed or killed for no reason at all or for some retarded "Buddhist" ceremony.

"For the sake of chanting Buddhist scriptures on the Dalai Lama's birthday celebration... we are in the need of a single fresh intestines, two head skulls, animal and human blood and an entire human skin. We look forward to the delivery at soon as possible.

Any gues where those came from?

In short the Tibetans had a strict theocratic caste system where those at the bottom were bound to their land and viewed as sub human. They suffered in horrendous conditions and could be killed or maimed for the dumbest reasons if any reasons were required at all. The Chinese governments invasion/liberation of Tibet were justified for this reason alone and their work in lifting the Tibetan people out of poverty and forced servitude should be applauded. Most Tibetans today are supportive of the CCP who are their greatest benefactor. The Dalai Lama today does not want to reinstate barbaric religious practices or reinstate serfdom, what he does want is to re enslave the Tibetans under his stupid religion and have political and religious authority that he is not entitled to.

>integral part
It’s an autonomous territory run by Han carpetbaggers. The Tibetan people are completely disenfranchised.

Revisionism straight from the CCP’s mouth, lads

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when will china stop being a to-be nuclear victim and return to its buddhist roots?

Never hopefully.

I mean Buddhist roots because those are non existent.

>being a maoist in 2017+1
kys

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Id rather be a maoist than this guy.

>most Tibetans
>implying anything anybody says in China can be taken at face value

But CNN and butthurt Lamas can be taken at face value.

Yep there we go. Every issue is completely black and white. You got me, I’m in favor of the totalitarian rule of the Dalai Lama.

>all his photographs are from that one exhibition literally dispensed by the ccp

Seems like they should like China, I mean it is basically national socialism in action

China is a 1984 security state though.
/pol/ wants an unholy combo of NatSoc and AnCap, contradictions and all.

No it's not black and white. The CCP would have you believe that 95% of Tibetans were living in these conditions whereas that might have been true in like the 1920s by the time of the Chinese invasion the serfs were much less common but still a significant portion of the populace. The Chinese government would have you believe that it invaded Tibet for moral reasons and to reclaim lost territory where in reality the main reason was to kick out foreign influence, get there before India did, and secure the source of China's three major rivers and primary water source. That being said the CCP did invade Tibet due to their communist ideology which called for the overthrow of the oppressors of serfs.

Although the PLA was remarkably well behaved during and immediately after the invasion with captured soldiers merely getting their rifles confiscated before being given money and a socialist lecture and freed in addition to basically zero incidents against civilians, after the invasions the CCP got a bit tyrannical themselves and I remember watching at least one video which allegedly shows people being gunned down while traveling in the Himalayas, whether this was PLA soldiers gunning down fleeing oppressed Tibetans, or overzealous anti smuggling or border control police I don't know.

Furthermore although the CCP has greatly improved the living standards and general well being of the Tibetan people, it is possible that the CCP is intentionally supporting Han Chinese migration in order to better control the populace.

But whatever went on afterwards, the invasion of 1950 was totally justified and the Chinese government has been a net force for good in the region.

After further research it appears to have been actually people fleeing Tibet.

>totally justified
From China’s point of view, sure.
Is this what you’re saying, or are you arguing that the invasion was objectively justified when looking at geopolitics through your own personal lens?
If the latter, kindly step into my helicopter.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_(1912–1951)
>Unrecognized state
the 1950s invasion was objectively justified which is why basically no one gave them any shit for it at the time, not even the UK and India.

Hahahahaha

Yes.

Literally skin lampshades and soap bars tier. Apply yourself some more, Chang

>/pol/ isn’t a hive mind
It pretty much is, generally speaking.

It pretty much isn’t.
On literally every other political forum on the internet, from reddit to both 8/pol/ and /leftypol/, if you post a thread that doesn’t alogn with the mods’ personal politics, it’s deleted.
On /pol/, you’re free to discuss whatever politics you want.
/pol/ is amorphous by nature. If 50,000 communists flooded it tomorrow it’d become, in the eyes of any observer, a communist board

>It pretty much isn’t.
Yes, it is.

>If 50,000 communists flooded it tomorrow it’d become.
Yes, it has different posters/subjects, but we all know what kinds of posters are the majority there, and they're not communists.(I'm not saying commies are better btw.)

And I’m saying /pol/ is separate from the Stormtards.
They currently make up the majority of the userbase, but they do not constitute /pol/ as a whole.

>cryptolib
Can anyone that speaks tankie please translate?

>/pol/ isn’t a hive mind.
Few places actually are. It has become dominated by a certain group to such a extent a certain form of politics has become strongly associated with it.

>On literally every other political forum on the internet
This type of "everywhere else has zero tolerance for different opinions except for free thinking /pol/" pretension is one of the most annoying things about /pol/.

>enjoy nuclear weapons pointed at your capital.

The only ones who care about Tibet are China and India and both have had nukes aimed at China for decades.

>all people in the area are Chinese citizens with full legal rights.

So none at all?

>invasion of 1950 was totally justified
How was it justified?

>This type of "everywhere else has zero tolerance for different opinions except for free thinking /pol/" pretension is one of the most annoying things about /pol/.

He wasn't talking about the users but the mods who control the board, and on that account he is absolutely right.

>his master literately picked up his rifle and shot off his left arm
That's a big rifle

>one of the most hypocritical things ever.

What you just described isn't even hypocrisy you ESL faggot.

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>He wasn't talking about the users but the mods who control the board
And he would be wrong on that account. The idea that /pol/ unlike every single other board on Veeky Forums has never been subject various types of arbitrary moderation is absurd.

t. never been to /pol/
Go start a Trotsky thread or something right now. It won’t be deleted.

Last time a mod started mass pruning threads was during HWNDU, which was arguably a justifiable action seeing as how it wasn’t really “politics”
But that mod got kicked out and HWNDU resumed.

Moderators are global redditor, /pol/ self censors with mass shitposting and saging, something this board could learn from tbqh

>Go start a Trotsky thread or something right now. It won’t be deleted.
And your point is? Other communities allow for a wide variety of thought because their mods think there should be.

>Moderators are global redditor
Yes I was already aware of that.

>/pol/ self censors with mass shitposting and saging, something this board could learn from tbqh
How could that possibly improve Veeky Forums?

Instead of Africa and holocaust threads getting responses and staying up for days they'd be consigned to the last page if you faggots weren't obsessed with proving them wrong

>staying up for days
They don't stay up for days. Holocaust threads tend to die quickly because so many posts in them. The Africa shitposting has died down considerably and even when it was at its peak most got 10 to 15 replies. I don't see how things like the old "Daddy I'm trans" or blacked (you see that same fucking guy on Veeky Forums and /int/) shitposts improved /pol/ in anyway.

The biggest thing that could done to improve /pol/ is increase the character limit.

>Other communities allow for a wide variety of thought because their mods think there should be.
Name one that’s related to politics.
You literally can’t.

>Name one that’s related to politics.
The Culture War threads on Slate Star Codex's sub. In them you can find racial realists, HBD proponents, communists, neoreactionaries, standard liberals and conservatives, those on the far left, etc.

>feudal tibet was bad
>so chinese tibet cannot be critized
Both are pretty bad and most people critizing how China treat Tibet don't want independance as much as China becoming better.

What is this?

See the current one reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/7nffem/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_january_1/

They have become the biggest threads on the sub. Overall it is kinda shitty but that is to be somewhat expected. One of the few places where you are far, far more likely to be banned for low effort shitposting or flippant remarks than for merely espousing a certain ideology.

What is this community?
I know nothing about it

A sort of spin of Slate Starcodex which was a spin off of the rationalist community.

Which is what exactly?

I'm not really sure how to explain it well because it is all over the place. Slate Star Codex (slatestarcodex.com/) is about a guy named Scott Alexander from the rationalist community (think lesswrong) who grew famous for his commentary. The sub is a part of the community that sprung up around him which attracted others that weren't all that interested in rationalism but did want a place where they can talk about their ideas without being banned.

>yet another cult leader
Diamond dozen these days

He isn't Eliezer Yudkowsky (though a lot of people in the community now criticize him heavily with some considering him a joke). The sub rarely focuses on Scott anymore and kinda does its own thing like the open threads Scott hosts.

He did work with the CIA to weaponize Tibetans and "take back" Tibet. Does not make him a terrorist, but also shows he is not the pacifist he is often made out to be .

Portugal basically owned other African colonies for centuries. Doesn't mean their desire for independence is wrong

That's actually a pretty decent comparison considering how the Ultramarine was viewed as an integral part of the country