I am interested in getting into tokusatsu. What's the best series for a newbie?
I am interested in getting into tokusatsu. What's the best series for a newbie?
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Mighty Morphine Power Rangers
Depends. What do you like OP?
Shit's too diverse.
What's the main aspect of it that interests you?
Generally don't watch anything made before 2000/20001.
The colorful aesthetic and overarching continuity.
Showa Ultraman and Showa Rider?
>The colorful aesthetic
Huh, it'd be best to pick what looks best to you. Post some of the ones you like more and we could pick out if those.
Some general recommendations would be
W or drive for something modern.
Ryuki for something from the 00s
Black for the 80s
Amazon and stronger for the first era.
Dekaranger or shinkenger for something modern.
Jetman, zyuranger or gogov for the 90s.
Anything between bioman and liveman for the 80s.
Tiga or X. Most people say mebius but I havent watched it.
There's other franchises but I feel I posted too many shows already.
As for continuity, its more about legacies than continuities and most of the long running franchise have a veey very loose continuity. People often mention ultraman as a show that respects it the most, but the modern shows really dont do much more than what sentai and rider do. Havent bothered with garo or godzilla though so they might be exceptions, but if you're looking for comic book style continuity, sentai, rider and ultraman arent the place.
For Super Sentai: Any series besides Gokaiger. All series are stand alone and require no previous knowledge of the ones before (except Gokaiger which is full of spoilers of previous series). But my personal recommendations to start are Sun Vulcan, Maskamn, Zyuranger, Megaranger and Shinkenger.
For Kamen Rider: Amazon, to give you an insight on Showa era without needing to know what happened on the first series. And Kabuto and W, for pretty much the same reasons but to their respective halves of Heisei Rider. But if you want plot continuity, you'll want to start with Kamen Rider and maybe Kuuga.
For Ultraman: The original Ultraman, Tiga, Max, and maybe some of the newer Ultraman.
Then if you want to go a little bit more hardcore, you can watch Garo which is the most continuity heavy of the bigger toku.
Black was a lot of things, but I wouldn't call it colorful.
RX was definitely colorful though
I made general reccomendations on good entries for new people, not based on designs.
Fair. Black was definitely one of the better series imo
Since it's a general rec thread I hope nobody will bash my for asking for recs.
I always disliked Sentai even hated Power Rangers when I was a kid but after the whole Power Rangers Movie inspired nostalgia craze that's been going on I've decided to watch Kyuranger and it's surprisingly enjoyable if goofy. I especially enjoy the performance of the voice actors voicing non-human characters.
I need to watch more when waiting for next episodes. My request is a bit specific but I especially interested in series featuring characters voiced by veteran VA's.
I also liked Akibaranger even if I didn't get most of the references.
Gekiranger would be up your alley then.
Thanks. Which subs are recommended? I remember that TV Nihon ones are hated universally.
The only other subs I've heard of are the Geki-Senshi subs which have their own problems.
But don't get me wrong, it's still better than TVN's eye cancer.
>For Kamen Rider: Amazon
Thanks, although there is only one fully voice-acted character in the first episode, are there any more coming?
I figured Amazon is a good choice to start on Showa rider because of its length and because, of the first half of Showa Rider, it's the more stand alone that also has subs.
Ignore him, he's a /krg/ reject sack of shit who's incensed you even mentioned a Rider made before 2000. This sin can't go unpunished and now he'll attempt to take you to task over it.
Oh, THAT guy. Thanks for the heads up.
for Kamen Rider there's a standalone movie "Kamen Rider ZO". It's the basic "guy becomes bug guy and punches monsters" story in under an hour.
not the _best_ by most metrics but if you want to get a quick taste of KR it's a good place to try
>I am interested in getting into tokusatsu. What's the best series for a newbie?
Like kaiju really old stuff?
+ Ultraman shows (someone post the guide).
+ Godzilla movies (someone post the guide).
Like old PR ancestors?
+ Super Sentai series (choose the theme you like more: military, alien, ninja, samurai, police, rescue, cars...). Someone post the guide.
Like solo characters?
+ Kamen Rider shows (showa riders until 88, heisei riders since 2000).
+ Garo: a little bit more adult and violent. There's a lot of shows now.
+ I like the MH franchise, the most obscure of them all (pic related) + pastebin.com
Amazon would be fine as a starting point if not for one glaring problem. You know the one.
Besides, it's very old, maybe too old for a newcomer. If he wants to get into Showa riders, starting with Black would be a much safer bet.
The magic Amazonian backwoods tech?
Well, that too.
I'm torn between Winspector and Metalder. Both look really good.
Guide for ultra.
Kamen rider den o might also interest you.
>Amazon would be fine as a starting point if not for one glaring problem. You know the one.
Which? The violence?
>Besides, it's very old, maybe too old for a newcomer.
Not all of us have adhd, and, given newcomers arent toku fans, they can easily google what year the show.aired in so if that's a problem, they'll know.
Man, this hasn't been updated for at least what, 2 years?
This was posted in Power Rangers threads on /tv/ constantly but it's clearly very old by the Garo season count.
>You know the one.
Yeah, that's a fair point. Even for a short series, it can be a turn off.
>starting with Black would be a much safer bet.
Black is indeed probably the better option but I kinda think that Black is very different from, basically, all of Showa. Black is kind of it's own thing, so I still think that Amazon is a good insight in how Showa in general can be,
I don't know, I'm not an Ultraman specialist. Just passing by.
If you don't mind buying DVDs, Super Robot Red Baron is some good old fashioned 70s fun in the fashion of Mazinger Z.
If you want something a little more iconic, Giant Robo (AKA Johnny Sokko and His Flying Robot) is a good idea.
There's also Juspion, which is like a beefier version of the Space Sheriffs.
>Johnny Sokko and His Flying Robot) is a good idea.
yeah Johnny Sokko is pretty cool, it was from before every single fight was against a humanoid monster suit
>if not for one glaring problem
That you're a Flip?
Oh, and I'll put the torrent page link for convenience.
Someone had posted the Red Baron ISOs on Mega sometime ago, but those got taken down quickly.
Yeah. A lot of them, actually.
How up to date is this?
Are you supposed to just watch in production order?
Not really. Continuity is there, but not necessary. It'd make Taro and Mebius more enjoyable, but that's really it
So for someone intent on getting into the series do you just jump around? From how it seems showa are a pretty straight shot but Heisei it's a bit more pick and choose. I imagine you can watch all the Seven series consecutively.
Showa continuity is straight from Man 66 to 80, then Mebius and Zero
Heisei stuff is pick and choose except Dyna being a sequel to Tiga.
Really though just pick the one that look the nicest and go
Oh also Nexus is great but better viewed when you get a feel of the standard formula
For Seven it's not quite clear-cut. The original and X do have torrents on Nyaa, but not Heisei Ultra Seven.
>starting with Black
Thanks for your input, I'm probably gonna start with Tiga because I used to watch it dubbed as a kid. After that I'm gonna give the original a shot because I bought the DVD collection on a whim off Amazon a few years back. If I enjoy it I'll just go through the Showa era otherwise I'll jump around to what interests me.
See top right, user (March 19).
fuck off BR
Cool. Does that have the bits that were dropped for the English dub?
Hibiki and Kabuto aren't actually good, though
This reminds me, the upcoming Space Squad features Gavan and Juspion elements.
Not sure about that, though I kinda doubt Hulu would pull a BCI Eclipse.
The only online release is subtitled in French though.
oh okay they're from the hulu release, yeah I'm pretty sure that's just the dub as-is. Still worth checking out afaik.
a thousand years ago I got a set of it from some guy clearing his VHS out at a con
not sure about the origins, homemade labels, LD video source, the audio is the dub except when it's jp-only footage (seems to be mostly odds and ends of time cuts rather than content edits). Not sure if it's just a neat extra on the LDs on the second audio track or if some serious business nerds edited it in on analog equipment.
only glaring change is the ending when the narrator hops in with the traditional YEAH OKAY SO IT MAY LOOK LIKE THE MAIN CHARACTER JUST DIED BUT THAT'S TOTALLY NOT IT, OKAY HE'S JUST, LIKE... SLEEPING OR SOMETHING. NOT DEAD.
I wonder how you reconcile the fact that many consider the 1960's as the golden age of the entire tokusatsu genre.
I guess they're all wrong because /krg/ says so.
Why are you so hung up on what /krg/ thinks? No one in that string of replies mentioned them, who gives a shit
Hence why it says Hibiki 30 episodes instead of the actual number I suppose.
Remember it's not the second half that's bad, it's the last 18 episodes
I bought the DVD and I'd say it's on par with the original Ultraman. It's certainly funnier. And the plot is ridiculous.
That thing is so clearly old it would make sense it's from the time when /m/ loved Kabuto to death.
For a few weeks now they've been going into every and any thread about tokusatsu and demanding that their ass-backwards views are the only correct ones. When a containment thread no longer contains the disease it's time to stomp it out.
The kicker is that the kid viewers were somehow confused by the use of human villains, so the last arc has Conquistador aliens instead.
Metal Kino + Rider Kino.
How heisei bitches can even compete?
Desire to know more intensifies.
Fuck off BR.
I'll never accept this.
>No one posts the guides
>Except for Ultraman
Worse than "Kikaida" fags
Its never bad. It mostly changes styllistically.
Characters are changed drastically or are otherwise forgotten. The final battle isn't even shown. The worst character gets the greatest reward. The main character spends six episodes building a dog house. Most of the actors hated it so much they said they would never work with Toei again.
But I guess you didn't find it bad.
I don't get it. What is it with KR fans and hating on older Toku?
I have to say I don´t share the same love for Jetman that many others do, I find it a bit overrated with a contrived ending.
Heisei Riders are babbys first toku and attracts the sort of people who shit on anything older. It doesn't help Toei themselves shit on or ignored the older series for over ten year before suddenly telling everyone hey these guys are cool, leaving tons of fans alienated with how they're supposed to like the old heroes now.
If OP will choose a Metal Hero show, try Juspion or Gavan now and watch the release of Space Squad movie in june/july.
Can be a good start outside Sentais / Ultras.
Just bait. Ignore.
>I have to say I don´t share the same love for Jetman that many others do,
Agreed. To me, best elements on Jetman were Gai-Ryu rivalry's, a great commander and some hardcore mecha fights (Semimaru, Veronica, Radiget). However, the designs were really bad (weak suits, bad villains (except Grey) and ugly monsters).
>Heisei Riders are babbys first toku and attracts the sort of people who shit on anything older.
5 STAR POST, nigga. Serious.
Meanwhile, they take Ishinomori's other heroes and usually take a dump on them by turning them evil (although some like Daitetsujin 17 and Poitrine fare better).
Yep. The other spam is just as suspect tho. The "2000" guy and the "40s-50s/krg-scum" guy never seem to exist on the same thread at the same time. Mostly likely trying to pepper both sides in some kinda attempt to start a flame war.
>Characters are changed drastically or are otherwise forgotten.
If you mean those introduced right before the retool I agree, but they arent a big deal, the mains remain.
>The final battle isn't even shown.
What? Wasnt it not being a conventional show what made the first 30 good in the first place?
>The worst character gets the greatest reward.
Just because a character isnt good guy godai doesnt mean its bad. This is the same franchise that has freaking tendou.
>Most of the actors hated it so much they said they would never work with Toei again.
That doesnt mean its bad in any way.
>But I guess you didn't find it bad.
Its inconsistent, and it would probably have been better with one direction through the whole thing, but people make a big deal out of the retool like if it made hibiki literally wizard.
>toei themselves shit on or ignore
There's a big, big middle ground between "shit on" and "literally tsuburaya". Not wanking old heroes is not shitting on them. Its good to be able to move forward.
As for the heisei riders I think the issue is that most toku fanbase has a warped perception of what toku, and the specific toku shows are which is propagated to newer fans and so on. Heisei kr is the closest of the main franchises to appeal to people who want a more hipster option to anime(aka, most of the toku fanbase).
I know you're a /krg/ reject from your bitching about le showa wank
The original Ultramen are all characters who have appeared consistently over the years and are active characters right along with the newest members and it all feels natural. There's nothing in Ultraman like Kabuto which on the 30th anniversary decided to specifically break the fourth wall to shit on old Riders and had a protagonist who was designed to be the antithesis of what the old Riders represented in the popular culture. But then Toei decided to backpeddle and start to brute force the Showa Riders into all the modern stuff with all the subtlety and finesse of a fucking brick through a window and it feels soulless, inauthentic and fake.
I started with Ultraman, Kamen Rider V3, and Ultraman Tiga. Got me into it.
>I know you're a /krg/ reject from your bitching about le showa wank
Not at all, amazon, stronger and black.are among my faves. Doesnt mean I think toei hates them for not wanking them.
>The original Ultramen are all characters who have appeared consistently over the years and are active characters right along with the newest members and it all feels natural.
Have you watched anything post zero user? Even hardcore fans have issues determining what happened in what universes.
>There's nothing in Ultraman like Kabuto which on the 30th anniversary decided to specifically break the fourth wall to shit on old Riders and had a protagonist who was designed to be the antithesis of what the old Riders represented in the popular culture.
Oh, you're that guy.
I like Jet Jaguar. I guess that means I'd like Ultraman?
I'm not him but I am old enough to remember what it was like before Decade.
It really did feel like we would never see the Showa Riders again until this image surfaced.
I did think the Fourze x OOO movie was as good as any Ultraman nostalgia movie though.
Is this Busterbeam
Would you recommend Ultraman or Tiga to begin?
Not him, but Ultraman has stronger episodic adventure feel while Tiga has more depth in the characters
Pick the one you fancy
I started with Kamen Rider Kabuto myself.
It's a rather big and diverse group. Best go with a show that fits your fancy that isn't Power Rangers(Neo-Saban) or Kamen Rider Dragon Knight.
It's pretty ok.
If you start with Ultraman, also follow Ultraseven.
Don't be silly. All busterbeam does is create long posts about anime.
>Would you recommend Ultraman or Tiga to begin?
Go to your local theater and check out Saban's Power Rangers™.
Why didn't you feel that way about old heisei riders themselves before decade was announced then?
Not showing up means not showing up, not hating.
who's that in the Den-O picture?
And be sure to pick up some delicious Krispy Kreme™ donuts.