Did Roman empire fell because Emperors stopped being Nordic and m*diterraneans took over?
Did Roman empire fell because Emperors stopped being Nordic and m*diterraneans took over?
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Is this kid Nordic?
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Why does this meme graph persist? These sources are terrible.
>Sieglin
>literally a Nordicist who wrote his book in the 1930s
>Malalas
>lived 500 years after most of these emperors and never saw any of them
>"In its present state Malalas' work begins with the mythical history of Egypt and ends with the expedition to Roman Africa under the tribune Marcianus, Justinian's nephew, in 563 (his editor Thurn believes it originally ended with Justinian's death[4]); it is focused largely on Antioch and (in the later books) Constantinople. Except for the history of Justinian and his immediate predecessors, it possesses little historical value; the author, "relying on Eusebius of Caesarea and other compilers, confidently strung together myths, biblical stories, and real history."[5]
"Subflavum" also doesn't mean fucking blonde.
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Yes.
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>some source is not reliable because I don't like the author of it
"No".
We know form old paint particles trapped in the marble analyzed by modern forensics experts that Caligula had brown hair and brown eyes (or at least, that his busts depicted him with such). He was also said to be "extremely pale" by Roman standards though his skin tone doesn't look too different from what you'd find in most of Europe.
shut the fuck up m*d scum
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Why don't you go ahead and describe why Sieglin should be considered a reliable source then.
Also like how you dodged Malalas' work being considered useless for historical analysis by modern historiography.
Italics were Nordisch people who conquered and culturally cucked swarthy etruscans :)
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of course, just look at that progressive and gracial Tronder cordlet features.
butifel, true example of what Aryan race is made of.
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>Why don't you go ahead and describe why Sieglin should be considered a reliable source then.
Because he was an authority on history. Just get over it. Roman emperors were light pigmented, because of their Indo-European blood.
>Because he was an authority on history
According to who?
Mixed with German Nordics, to be sure.
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must be a germanic mother then. they just love to fuck black guys.
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Wilhelm Sieglin. Unlike you.
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Nope.
>he's right because he said he was right
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Nope. He was right because he studied Roman sources and wrote proper conclusions.
>Nope. He was right because he studied Roman sources
Which ones? And why didn't the meme graph cite these supposed sources instead?
They look Italians
Pliny, Suetonius, Malalas.
He was also a Nordicist and was obviously biased. Why Augustus of Prima Porta isn't blonde and blue-eyed?
Where exactly do these people state the hair colors of these specific emperors? And why didn't the meme graph cite them instead if they really said that?
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M*doids on suicide watch
>Why Augustus of Prima Porta isn't blonde and blue-eyed
He is blond haired and grey eyed. Still in NORDIC range.
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It's the other way around. It fell because it became too Nordic. Roman Empire was the beginning of the end of Roman civilization.
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What the fuck is grey-eyed. I have never seen someone with grey eyes.
>oldest ones
>subflavum/subflavo
>yellowish (dark blonde/light brown)
>newest ones (the ones who ruined empire)
>flaventium (full blonde)
And I don't know ancient Greek, but I bet Commodus was also more blonde.
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9-13 eye colours are considered grey.
Aristotle was right when he write that
>the nations inhabiting the cold places and those of Europe are full of spirit but somewhat deficient in intelligence and skill, so that they continue comparatively free, but lacking in political organization and capacity to rule their neighbors.
Subflavum is sort of translated as "Blondish", and the thing is that OP's picture conveniently leaves out Suetonius's following sentence after the hair comment:
>and a complexion intermediate between dark and fair
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>8-13
The fuck is this? Do people have eyes like that? This is brown-grey.
>The fuck is this? Do people have eyes like that? This is brown-grey.
It's just a perspective from a proper light view.
8 is Green.
9 is Gray-Green
10. is Dark Grey
11. is Medium grey
12. is Light grey
13. is Grey-Blue
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>"""modern historiography"""
Yeah, modern historiography tends to be more reliable than 19th century racially charged historiography.
We know form forensic research of the paintings of his statues that August's hair was light brown. Suetonius also tells us that August had a large nose "that bended inward, a complexion intermediate between dark and fair", "rather curly" hair, and that "Augustus's freedman and recorder makes his height 5 foot 7 inches [5'5 in Imperial units]", but that "with body and limbs so beautifully proportioned, one did not realize how small a man he was, unless someone tall stood close to him."
'Nordics' are supposed to be short and swarthy with curved noses and curly hair, right?
Also he had a unibrow:
>"his eyebrows met above his nose"
>5 foot 7 inches
That was average back then.
>August's hair was light brown
Nope, it was reddish blond.
>Suetonius also tells us that August had a large nose
Many Nordics have big, but straight nose, making them diffrent from jude and swarthy folk.
>"rather curly" hair
Maybe he had some admixture, he belonged to a more admixed Celtic Nordic type.
>That was average back then.
>"one did not realize how small a man he was"
>"He was short of stature"
>Nope, it was reddish blond.
If you're blind, maybe.
>big, but straight nose
>"he had a nose projecting little at the top and then bending inward"
>"he had a nose projecting little at the top and then bending inward"
It's not hook nose. It's a straight nose with curved top of it. Nordic-Dinaric range.
kek, even a fucking Jew would be Nordic to you if he was an emperor.
>kek, even a fucking Jew would be Nordic to you if he was an emperor.
If he was of the same Nordic type as Augustus, yes.
>reliable
history isn't scientific
>small posture
>hooked nose
>round head
>intermediate complexion
>curly hair
>light brown hair
Yup, sound like a pure Swede.
Even if we tested his DNA and he was J2, you would call him Noridc.
History is based on a historical method. Historiography and history as an academic discipline was still very young in 19th century.
>small posture
Medium, looking short when someone tall stood to him.
>hooked nose
Straight nose with hooked top of it, completely normall.
>round head
Mesocephalic
>intermediate complexion
Light skin, hair and eyes.
>curly hair
Mixed hair.
>light brown hair
Reddish blond.
Overall anthropological type: Robust Celtic Nordic :)
Definitely seeing the bend Suetonius describes.
>And why didn't the meme graph cite these supposed sources instead?
You don't state the sources of your sources in your citations, retard
Shit and innacurate reconstruction.
Accurate one
>You don't state the sources of your sources in your citations
Probably because "the sources of the sources" don't exist. "A German in the 30s said something" isn't a source. The meme grapher cited Malalas (himself very unreliable) and Suetonius directly in other entries, why not in those ones?
>A German in the 30s said something
A German historian you retard.
It's the same statue you retard.
>medium
>one did not realize how small a man he was
And Romans on average were smaller than your Nordic Germans, so he would look like a dwarf compared to a German.
>intermediate
>light
This is not how it works. If for Romans he was intermediate then he probably wasn't very light.
Nazi historians are considered unreliable and biased.
Caligula was described as "very fair" by Roman standards and he had about the same skin tone (if not slightly darker) as most Northern Europeans. "Intermediate" Augustus should be noticeably darker (probably a typical Italian skin tone).
But your one is incorrectly coloured.
>And Romans on average were smaller than your Nordic Germans, so he would look like a dwarf compared to a German.
He was medium sized. 170 cm were enough to be considered Nordic back in 1930s for an example.
>This is not how it works
He was light pigmented. Grey eyed and reddish blond haired.
Maybe by (((you))).
>Medium
Suetonius flat-out calls him short by Roman standards. 5'7 was stated to be an exaggeration in the context of the statement.
>"He was short of stature, although Julius Marathus, his freedman and keeper of his records, says that he was five feet and nine inches (just under 5 ft. 7 in., or 1.70 meters, in modern height measurements), but this was concealed by the fine proportion and symmetry of his figure, and was noticeable only by comparison with some taller person standing beside him."
>Historiography and history as an academic discipline was still very young in 19th century.
so Herodotus wasn't an academic historian? What about Tacitus?
It's the same color in slightly different lighting you literal retard. As in it's literally the same reconstruction.
So the photographer is a m*dish swarthoid subhuman trying to manipulate the photo. Ok.
>"He was short of stature, although Julius Marathus, his freedman and keeper of his records, says that he was five feet and nine inches (just under 5 ft. 7 in., or 1.70 meters, in modern height measurements)
So he appeared to be "short" but was average. Ok.
Nice projecting :) Even the m*dshits here agree that Augustus was admixed with Nordics (had light hair, grey eyes), now we only discuss how much Nordic he was :)
t-this?
shit stock photo is shit stock photo.
>taking photos at different times of the day is trying to manipulate the photo
Why'd you take your name off?
>he's an historian so he's automatically correct
>implying it is not
At first I used it to trigger the swarthy races even more :) But I've noticed that many of them use it against me to filter my posts, so I got rid of it.
By pretty much everyone. Don't even bother citing them in your papers.
remember to sage and report people
Maybe by (((you))).
They definitely weren't.
From Suetonius:
>His eyes were bright and piercing; and he was willing it should be thought that there was something of a divine vigour in them. He was likewise not a little pleased to see people, upon his looking stedfastly at them, lower their countenances, as if the sun shone in their eyes. But in his old age, he saw very imperfectly with his left eye. His teeth were thin set, small and scaly, his hair a little curled, and inclining to a yellow colour. His eye-brows met; his ears were small, and he had an aquiline nose. His complexion was betwixt brown and fair; his stature but low; though Julius Marathus, his freedman, says he was five feet and nine inches in height. This, however, was so much concealed by the just proportion of his limbs, that it was only perceivable upon comparison with some taller person standing by him.
>so much autism over this vague description
I don't know if this is more sad or funny.
There is no proof right was a Latin, aside from an internet Nordicist writing “latin” on it
Then I suppose their collected works are of no value.
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>white people used to be pagans?!?!?!?
They werent Nordic you fucking retard. Nordics at the time were living in huts and pooing on the ground just like Africans. the Romans were the greatest civilization to ever grace this earth, there is undeniable proof that Romans were basically indigenous people on the Italian peninsula mixed with Greeks.
Nordics have flat noses that resemble a Negroid's though.
>this is what sub humans from /pol/ actually believe