Why are girls closed and standoffish around me? First day at work and I think I'm already "that weird guy"

>majority of humans are trash
Fixed

Not trying to be edgy or anything, its just true.

>wasting time communicating with "people" who don't believe in ghosts
You have to be upfront about shit like this, otherwise you wake up one morning, after 20 years of marriage, and find out your wife thinks Australia is real.

because you shitpost on the fitness board of an anime discussion website instead of socialzing.

by starting this thread you pushed off 1 other potentially fitness related thread.

i'd hate your guts IRL too for bringing relationshit where it doesn't belong.

Are you ~16 year old? If so, your mistake can be learned from. If you're past your teens then your chronological age has long since left your social age behind. Get your shit together.

Ghost don't exist you fucking weirdo

Ghosts and spirits are very real. Maybe not how hollywood has made it out. But dude they're real

Making girls laugh is easy as fuck. If you can't do it, you suck desu.

Yeah and Santa Claus is real too

There is nothing wrong with this question and stop posting off topic.

How can you be this close minded?

How can you be this retarded?

I make more money than your entire family combined

Pretty sure I'm not retarded.

Its a weird and sort of morbid topic to bring up. Its hard to gauge people's reactions to anything considered paranormal, user.

I've never seen a ghost but I've had a conclusive paranormal experience so I'm open to it.

lmao you're such a freak, no wonder why no girl wants to talk to you

Trips of truth.

Mate it's trips so it must be true

This is true. I stay alone in my house. One night i went to sleep. When i woke up in the morning my anus was hurting real bad. I t felt like i got anally penetrated. No one broke in and did anything. I then released that i got fisted by a ghost.

Plenty of retarded people have money

OP here, she spoke about spirits and ghosts for about 20 minutes and told me how her family members are lookong over her. All you virgins probably don't know how to talk to girls and just talk about the weather, ghosts is a perfect topic.

not OP but I most definitely do. How do I fix it?

you reap what you saw.. try not to act like that weird guy.. try the i-dont-care-attitude and in a few years you are that attitude

iirc in the koran they say that ghosts exist. So the guy must be a retarded shitskin, which explain why the girl disliked his approach

>gets called a weirdo
>hurr durr you all don't know how to talk to girls

Yes. Who else would give total strangers nice gifts just because they were good all year? What now atheists?

read models: attract women through honesty

WHO IS THIS.

Tried searching for the image and just found a bunch of eastern moon runes.

>Caring what meaningless people in your life think (woman and other strangers)
>Living a happy and gratefull life
Choose one

I agree. Just be yourself and girls will like you. Works like a charm

This

You act too dominant. You have to smile a lot, and act really non-threatening or women will dislike you.

Dominant alpha men have lower rates of sexual success for this reason.

ya blew it dingus

really? how?

>tfw unfunny
>tfw no friends
>tfw socially retarded

>tfw have been able to make most people, including girls, laugh for most of my life
>tfw 24 years old, virgin, havent had friends since 13
>realize that while i am kind of funny, after a little bit my weird autistic ADD ass becomes too annoying for people to tolerate so no one wants to be around me more than they have to

Women, especially Western, are just spoiled cunts.

you aren fucking supposed to care stamp in, work stamp out ,go home dont fucking try to be funny some fucktard wil overanalyse something you said and make it offensive then tell your boss until eventually your fired if you look down al the time talk minimally and look mildy glad your doing it right

Nigga you about to self fulfilling prophecy yourself to being that weird guy

It's never too late. Don't give up. Create opportunities to make friends and learn from your past mistakes (annoying = desperate for approval usually, aka trying too hard). You can make friends again. I believe in you because I went through a slump from ~20 to rather recently (25 right now) where I only had my old friends from high school, basically, and didn't bother to make any new friends anywhere I've been since (at my former uni and at two different jobs). This fall I started at a new uni and immediately made tons of friends, and I keep expanding my circle still. It feels like hard work at times and I have to distance myself sometimes because now I'm kind of "in charge" in my social circle simply because I rose to the occasion and called shots when others were hesitant... Any way, you can still figure this puzzle out and do better than you've ever done before, BELIEVE ME.

P.S. Totally still a virgin (not kissless though) but whatever. If someone brought it up I'd just say it's been several years and humbly admit to not exactly being a player. At our age it's absolutely plausible that we "got lucky" at some point, even though we don't slay on a regular basis now. The label "virgin" can be damaging to your reputation whereas not getting laid on a regular basis shouldn't be unless the people you surround yourself with are absolute scum.

Like, without any irony? I can't imagine this going as bad as being known as "that weird guy" unless you seriously fucked up the delivery. Everything but the most blatantly offensive remarks can be played off with good delivery. I've said some seriously autistic shit that either goes well or is ultimately forgotten purely due to delivery. You need not spill your spaghetti any longer. Of course you have to relate on some level in most of your time spent interacting and can't constantly be revealing your power level. No one likes you when they never know what the fuck you're talking about.

fuck off back to normiebook

I'm gonna be honest, I really just feel completely hopeless and don't even have motivation to try to make friends or meet a girl, because I know that if I open up about myself these people will realize how much of a friendless autist loser I am.

Like, I went through high school and college without making hardly any friends. Even normal people say that it's hard to meet people and make friends after college, and that most peoples' friends post-college are just kinda their coworkers. For someone like me it just seems absolutely impossible

I basically just never have serious conversations with anyone because I try desperately to hide my patheticness level. I don't eat lunch with people, I don't go to the rare happy hours/parties my coworkers have I don't try to contact them outside of work all because I know that my autism and shut-in ness will be cemented. So I just rely on making sarcastic, observational humor comments to make them laugh

Read Models by Mark Manson

I'm reading it right now actually - is it of any use?

It provides a decent background to reframing your mind and improving self esteem.

also, how do you overcome the feeling that even if you do make friends/get a gf later in your life after not having them for a long time, thinking about all the things you missed for so long?

It doesn't matter.

You can't do anything to change the past so why worry about it?

All that's in your head. I'm basically exactly like you, age and everything, except a while back I started actively trying to improve. I read How to Win Friends and Influence People and How to Have Power and Confidence in Dealing With People and practiced. It wasn't even like I was practicing everyday because I was afraid of approaching people, but as I practiced, I got better. And I realized just how fucking easy it is. I'm still improving, but I navigate conversations pretty much effortlessly now and people actually come seeking my company. I still have issues letting people in, but I've got the first part down at least.

Here's the basic idea: make it about them. I don't have to worry about not looking pathetic because I hardly ever talk about myself. You're thinking so much about yourself that you don't realize other people are doing the exact same thing. So they'll be more than happy to tell you all about themselves and their life unless they're like you (in which case it doesn't really matter because they can't really judge you if you're the same). Ask them something basic about their lives, and when they give their answer, ask a followup question on something they said in their answer. Rinse and repeat and now no one knows you have no friends, and if they do they'll still enjoy your company anyway. My most successful social interactions are mostly them talking and me asking questions.

There are some other components as well, but the basic takeaway from all this is just be so GENUINELY interested in other people that they feel very comfortable with you. And it has to be genuine or they'll see right through it. Like you, I used to try to perform for people, but basically you have to flip that around. The quickest way to leave people unimpressed is to try to impress them.

I think most of the people here on Veeky Forums forget that they are talking to another person rather than just a girl. Just talk to a girl as youd talk to a guy.

It should be noted some topic should be limited. If shes not a gamer dont talk about the next assassins creed you fucking austimo fucks.

>Even normal people say that it's hard to meet people and make friends after college

That's only true when you start at zero. But there's momentum to it. Once you have SOME friends other people will see you as a way to make friends for themselves. It only ever gets easier the further you move along. That's what you need to remember when you're having trouble in the beginning. It's not going to stay this hard. It's going to get way easier, you just have to bite the bullet initially and invest whatever energy is necessary to START the chain reaction.

>I try desperately to hide my patheticness level

What is pathetic about you, other than not getting enough social contact?

>I don't go to the rare happy hours/parties my coworkers have
>I don't try to contact them outside of work

Would you like to? Are they interesting? If not, what kind of people do you want to know?

>So I just rely on making sarcastic, observational humor comments to make them laugh

Sarcasm - the WEAKEST form of humor. It has to be said this harshly. The basic format of sarcasm seems to be:
>I'm in a bad mood. yikes, there's another thing I don't like!
>say "I really like this thing" in that annoying, condescending soccer mom tone, roll eyes at listener

Now you can see why this is a downer, especially when repeated often: You're always calling attention to something unpleasant. I mean, you don't go on sarcastic tirades about really good things, ironically calling them shit, do you? Sarcasm is nearly always glass half empty goggles, thinly veiled as humor. You're ultimately trying to share your misery. Turns out the only people who respond well to expressions of misery are other miserables.

How to drop sarcasm? Force yourself to be literal, unironic, straight-forward. That way it's easier to filter what you should say and what you should keep to yourself.

How do you overcome bothersome thoughts about the past? Think about the future instead.

Just read this post, was busy typing my own wall of text. A variation of

>make it about them

would have gone in my followup post. Great advice. You don't have to perform, you don't have to entertain. I would have phrased it thusly: Consider their needs.

You don't have to read anyone's mind, you can just straight up ask them! Just pick a context that seems relevant and appropriate (career, living situation, hobbies, partner, depending on who this is and how often you've met) and ask how they feel about their situation or about their goals in that context.

I'm perfectly fine with letting other people tell me about themselves and do all their whining and complaining like normal people do. But if you completely avoid talking about yourself at all, they don't see that as a red flag that you don't want to share anything about yourself?

And what about when they do ask about you and you have nothing to tell them?

>That's what you need to remember when you're having trouble in the beginning. It's not going to stay this hard.

In the beginning? This has been going on for a decade now, through the most social times of someone's life (high school, college, early and mid 20s) with nothing to show for it

>What is pathetic about you, other than not getting enough social contact?

That's everything, because the lack of social contact has ruined everything else about my life. No social contact means not having a gf or friends, no gf or friends means loneliness and isolation, isolation led me to getting bitter and miserable, which made me have no motivation, which made me interact worse with people, etc.

>sarcasm

I should say that I'm only sarcastic if other people are. Usually I just make observational humor about stuff going on around us or quick comebacks to things people say. I've been told many times I should be a stand up comedian.

>And what about when they do ask about you and you have nothing to tell them?

How can you have nothing to tell? What do you do all day, other than shitpost on here?

>This has been going on for a decade now

Because you never made it over the hump. It stays fucking hard until you gain some momentum and maybe you were too cool to really try, or you failed over and over for some reason. Not important. You've been doing either too little or the the wrong things and you're going to fix it moving forward.

>the most social times of someone's life (high school, college, early and mid 20s)

Doesn't have to be like that. Plenty of men in particular throw themselves into their work with a passion and get more social again later on, say, in their 40s or beyond. Or women have babies and only hang out with other moms anymore, until later when they realize "having a kid early" is not the best filter for friendships. The general trend exists but you can safely go against it, you won't be alone.

>isolation led me to getting bitter and miserable

Were you all smiles before? Were you really happy, yet couldn't make any friends? Something doesn't add up.

>But if you completely avoid talking about yourself at all, they don't see that as a red flag that you don't want to share anything about yourself?
I don't avoid talking about myself, I've just found that people get so wrapped up in what they have to say that I can just keep it rolling without missing a beat. And when they do ask me questions, I just answer them. That answer can be brief and simple or long (but not too long), but then I immediately go for another followup question. If they ask me something like "What are your hobbies?" and I don't do shit, I say something like "Well I don't do much now, but I'm always looking. What do YOU like to do?" Because even if I don't do shit, ultimately that's not the part of what I said that they care about. They'll like you for being interested in them, not for doing interesting things, and if you want and you're actually interested, you can ask them advice on the things they have more experience with than you. People love giving advice. I mean, shit, look at me right now. You're already doing it.

>And what about when they do ask about you and you have nothing to tell them?
I seriously doubt you have NOTHING to say about something they ask you. You just don't want to say it. I don't know specifically what you're thinking of, but it's perfectly fine to say "I don't about that, why don't you tell me about it?" Remember, if they get snotty or an attitude over something like that, THEY are the one with the problem. Most people won't though. Most people are so used to other people not giving a shit about them that you're a breath of fresh air. Or they'll look at you funny for not NOT giving a shit like everyone else, but again, that's THEIR problem. Don't worry about stuff like that.

Zuckerberg is a billionaire
No girls want to fuck him, his wife included

That girl looks like she's in her high school bathroom during home coming.

Because you look at porn and dont get pussy

But user I live in Australia.

You live in a more advanced form of the technology used to fake the moon landing.

Stop trying to flirt at work u asshole. its 2016 try acting like women are people too at least untill you know them better

Because you're not attractive.

>How can you have nothing to tell? What do you do all day, other than shitpost on here?

Basically just wake up, go to work, go to the gym occasionally, come home and computer/tv rest of the night. Just another result of the lack of friends and misery, not getting any hobbies.

>Were you all smiles before? Were you really happy, yet couldn't make any friends? Something doesn't add up.

I don't remember if I was really happy or not, it just kind of started end of middle school/beginning of high school that suddenly I found myself without friends. I knew a decent number of people, I just didn't make actual friends with any of them. I guess I'm just annoying because while I'm kinda funny I'm also really weird and have some mild autism for sure.

I think my autism causes me to not really ask people about what's going on with them. I don't really care about what other people are doing, and to be honest I feel like all most people do is complain.

Any more book suggestions? Both of those you mentioned seem really good.

>I don't really care about what other people are doing
Well that's probably gonna hold you back, and actually might be part of the problem in the first place. I guess the important question that hasn't been asked yet is do you actually want friends and people who enjoy your company in general? If the answer is yes, you have to make an effort. Questions didn't come naturally to me at first either. Conversations stopped dead in their tracks because I was too busy trying to think of what to say next. Once I started actually listening to people, I could pick out the parts of what they say that interest me or that I feel might have potential and get them to talk about that. It takes practice and you will absolutely fuck up, but every time you fuck up you get a little better at recognizing what works and what doesn't.

>and to be honest I feel like all most people do is complain
They'll do this if you let them. I don't like hearing people complain either, so I try to get them on a more pleasant tangent. If I notice while they're talking they mention something that could lead down a positive path, I ask them about that. Don't get me wrong, some people are just too negative to spend a whole lot of time with. It's hard to find a positive avenue because they talk shit about EVERYTHING. The important thing is to not be one of those people, and if you really do feel like all people do is complain, you might honestly be one of those people. The goal is to stay fairly positive because, despite what you learn in science, positive attracts positive and negative attracts negative. And you can stay positive by focusing on positive things.

Not any that I can think of at the moment, but maybe someone else knows. There's all kinds of books on the subject but those are a couple of classics.

have you tried being attractive?

HAHAHAHA THE FAGGOT BELIEVES IN GHOSTS IM FUCKIJG CRYING

what are you talking about?
dominant alpha men make women wet as long as they're attractive
no girl is gonna choose a non-threatening nice guy over a dominant alpha when they are equally attractive, make same money/status etc

stop making up bullshit to favor you

I know this feel
>tfw you have become the joke

>Just another result of the lack of friends and misery, not getting any hobbies.

That's backwards. You don't get hobbies through friends, you get friends through hobbies. Get hobbies.

>I knew a decent number of people, I just didn't make actual friends with any of them.

No big deal, this happens to the best of us. You goofed up when you started believing that this defines you and that you can't make friends again because of delusions like

>my autism

You're not autistic, you're just an asshole. You're self-centered and you don't take responsibility for your actions. Both of these problems are fixable. Stop blaming vague concepts like "not having friends" or "autism" for not putting in any effort. You have no hobbies and you don't go out. No shit, you don't have friends. It would be a miracle if you did. If you went out five evenings a week and were a member in two different clubs yet noone wanted anything to do with you, now that would be worrying. In your case, literally just start creating opportunities. Find reasons to get your ass out the door on a regular basis. It's also possible to make friends at the gym but that's dumb luck, there have to be people within your demographic there at similar times for it to happen. Not a biggie if it doesn't happen.

>I feel like all most people do is complain

All you do is complain so those are the kinds of people who give you the time of day.

I'VE BEEN THERE. This is tough love.

My advice - try something. If you fail, try it differently, or try a new thing. You learn through failures, and different people have different responses.

It's because you're autistic.

yeah this was me for years, then i realised its because i needed glasses.

this is a good post

Because your average girl is looking for status more than anything that's what really matters.

Some aren't like that though

kekd at pic, good referance
saved

>first day at work
Because you are new and they don't know you. Just keep your head down for now and grind away. Talk when you are being talked to and be polite and nice to anyone. After a couple of months it gets better. A piece of advice - younger girls (20-25) are generally more closed while older girls (28-32) are more open and fun and enjoy flirting and messing around.

Jesus Christ it's nowhere near this hard. Just stop treating them like an alien species.

>Me 2010: nerdy, zitty, skinny skeleton in highschool
>Me 2016: Athletic outdoors loving guy who makes dad jokes, and all girls in the office want to fuck, but can't cuz I'm 3 years into a relationship with a qt3.14

I would make sure to give them the old "are you an archeologist" line to break the ice.

that pic tho lmao

>That's backwards. You don't get hobbies through friends, you get friends through hobbies. Get hobbies.
>most people don't get friends through hobbies
>their friends from school or work stick with them and they do things together
my female coworkers are friends and they go to fitness classes together
my male coworkers who are friends play sports together

they didn't all decide to join the same pickup basketball game, as a group they did

friends lead to hobbies in nearly all cases

I cant take seriously anyone who believes in ghost after 5.

Its even a problem, because everybody its fucking stupid and still believe in that shit in the 21 century. Fuck your inbreed genes.

I think being one of these help improve the other ones for real.
> use to be a fatty
> lost weight, okay body with good face
> people who thought I was awkward now think I'm cute
> mfw girls call me a mommas boy and want to be my mommy

The fact that you can pick a sport for the purpose of spending time with existing friends doesn't somehow disprove that you can make friends in a sport.

Also, in your example it's the JOB that brought these people together. They didn't magically already have each other, they met somehow. You can meet people at your job, you can meet them doing sports, you can meet people jogging in the park and chatting up total strangers. There are a lot of possibilities, once you can make relaxed eye contact and ask innocent questions and relate.

Itt virgins giving life advice on a fitness board
Just roid a little bit, cut with clen and youll be rolling in pussy

>girl in high school would hysterically laugh at me jokes
>think i might actually be funny
>see her talking with some unfunny piece of shit faggot
>shes hysterically laughing
You dont have to even be slightly funny to make them laugh.

>Just roid a little bit, cut with clen and youll be rolling in pussy
i dunno how true this is mate
Girls dont seem to give a shit about how juicy you are
Got any examples of this bruh?

You should probably get a new job and some weapons-grade zippers for your spaghetti next time user.

Instead of being that weird awkward guy theyll think of you as mysterious or funny
You gotta realize the average person looks like complete shit, theyre either obese or skinnyfat, all you got to do is flash your juicy arms
Ive noticed girls act differently ever since I started cruising on test only, free drinks at starbucks, free food from chipotle, female professors are nicer. As long as you do it responsibly itll change your life

there is some truth to this. I started a new job in the winter and the grills were rather indifferent. Workplace friendly but aloof, you know? When the weather turned warm and I started wearing short sleeves, things changed a bit. Fuck, I'd even get a pump before work just to collect the mires.

No gf or sex out of this deal, but the difference was still good for the ego.

You are what you think you are. Thats a simple law of life.

I want this so fucking bad you have no idea but here is my problem
Right now im at 185cm and a weight of 91kg (bf ~15% but bulking so...thats my excuse) and ive noticed no improvement from when i was at 78kg
Would roiding really improve my chances here? people most often see me as pretty juicy already and ive gotten several comments on it but the dating and female stuff is pretty far away bros

Help me brehs
>inb4 dont be ugly
Im not ugly, above average face atleast

Im just tired of fucking up dates with girls because of no prior experience and being a kissless retard.
asked a girl out again that was really digging me before we went for a coffee where my autism flared up and she told me she was real busy with stuff.
its as if im emotionally fucking stunted, dont know how to initiate a kiss and the anxiety murders everything.
planning on doing that
since I overbulked a bit ill first psmf suicide cut till I get to 12% to reduce estro aromatization and do accutane before jumping on a 250 weekly dose
I hope that feeling like absolute shit before jumping on will be worth it

the thing I hate most is the ego pumped up girls at clubs that think they are beyond you just because they have a pussy, it may sound r9kish but I just cant get over that.
on the other hand I get girls constantly smiling outside but it just makes me panic and I dont do anything.
I just dont know how to approach this problem