Why didn't China just expand and BTFO out of the Middle East and Europe when it was more technologically advanced, stable and had a far higher population than any other civilisation on earth, not to mention being one of the oldest empires on earth (Arguably starting in 1046 BC)
Hell Chinese had fucking GUNS in 900ad, the same period when Europeans were getitng owned by fucking Vikings. What stopped them from just owning everyone? Why aren't we all speaking Chinese?
Oh, the usual things that prevent empires from expanding after they reach a certain point. There was always just enough internal turmoil to prevent them from expanding outward.
Why would it
Anyone who tried would just overextend themself and china would fall apart in a few hundred years after the greatest extent
China didnt do that and has a far less broken line of descent from its original civilization than anywhere in europe.
China was essentially the roman empire, a hegemon that expabded in everyway possible before reaching natural barriers
Why expand when everything left out there is the gobi desert, siberian tundra, himalayan mountains and vietnamese jungles
Let’s see.
West? Third largest desert and second tallest mountain range on Earth.
North? Shithole tundra full of horseniggers (they conquered numerous times and held for centuries by the way).
South? Jungle gooks, jungles, Himalayas, Poo, and ocean.
East? Ocean and mountainous Korean gooks.
They already conquered a population larger than all of Europe and MENA combined multiplied by two, what the fuck else did you expect them to do.
>chink shill thread
Try harder, Zhang
West was endless desert, east was endless ocean, north was endless snow, and south was endless jungle. Of all of those, only the jungle looked remotely attractive. They tried to go south a few times, but it turned out chinks weren't very good at jungle warfare, and although they did take northern Vietnam a couple of times they were never able to hold it for long.
Also, China is not one of the oldest empires on earth. China's account of their own history is complete bullshit before about the middle of the 1st millennium BC.
>technologically advanced, stable and had a far higher population than any other civilisation on earth
China was never really more technologically advanced than any other civilisation on earth. Although thank you for outing yourself as a complete Eurocentrist. China might have hit its peak while Europe was at its nadir, but during the European dark ages the Middle East and India were still home to advanced civilisations. And before that, Rome was far more developed than han china. Also, 'technologically advanced' didn't mean the same thing before the industrial revolution that it does today. China may have had guns and big cities in the middle ages, but, for example, European armour and architecture was far more sophisticated.
Also, China was very fucking far from stable. Even at the height of the Tang, An Lushan's rebellion almost ripped the empire apart. Then there were the Mongols. Then the Manchu. Never mind the constant internal bickering.
The only thing you got right was the high population. This allowed the Chinese to steamroll all the enemies that could be reached by a man on foot living off the land he passed through. Once they reached areas that required a little logistics to pass through their numerical advantage dried up, and without that there was nothing very special about Chinese civilisation.
the mentality was different. china had a tributary system, that at one point included england and the netherlands
Chink BTFO
>and without that there was nothing very special about Chinese civilisation.
you know absolutely nothing chinese civilization. there's a reason the west is dying while china's rising
>Why aren't we all speaking Chinese?
what makes you think you won't be?
>the west is dying while china's rising
Ironically
I love how Chink imperial clothing looks like some real Elvish Tolkien/Warhammer shit.
I wonder if they based their clothes on elves. Did Chinese originally meet Scandinavians and learn of elvish stories?
t. Chink
>>west dying
Only if you take the bullshit that is spouted on /pol/ seriously.
>>china rising
Only if you take the bullshit that is spouted by neoliberals seriously.
Because we already have an established trade language over most of the globe and switching over would be too much hassle for too little gain?
less people die from pollution than americans shooting eachother
It was never more technologically avanced than Europe or the Middle East
no, tolkien probably based elves on chinks
Chinese did have guns, missiles and explosives over half a millennia before Europe and the way Europeans eventually got them was from trade coming over from China, through the ME and into Italy.
lol stay in your echochamber
Yeah the Jade Dragon dlc really made China OP.
Nice petty insult chiang, go get murdered by a mongol.
t. Cheng
don't you have a war for israel to fight?
This might explain why
Reminder that ancient Chinese drilled for natural gas literally thousands of years before Europeans and used it for cooking and any industry that required fire (normally salt production).
Ancient Chinese literally had natural gas infrastructure running into cities.
i don't know what your point is. i'm saying how china dealt with power relationships was different. they had a tributary system, which was basically like taxes in exchange for them not wiping the other country out. europeans would just go in and conquer the land outright. the mentality was different
t. amerimutt
Don't you have dildos to assemble over at the manufacturing plant?
How in the fuck could they have invaded England or the Netherlands? Maybe they could have gone after colonies, but the home nations themselves? lol no.
why so mad tyrone? you do realize western civilization is already dead? it's just the rest of the world picking over your carcass at this point.
Post moar webms of chinks beating up eachother.
that's probably why the western powers were only tributaries for a short time because they realized they had a technological advantage over chinks. hence century of humiliation
They couldn't have invaded them because the mentality was different
>>dead
Again, only if you believe the bullshit that is posted on /pol/.
Heh, a fair point.
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That's hardly an insult, chink.
>Again, only if you believe the bullshit that is posted on /pol/.
it's true. you don't stand for anything anymore. you can't even distinguish what is and isn't even in your best interests anymore. citizens are nothing but slaves to the fed and sent to die for greater zion while wealth inequality grows and people are arguing about what bathrooms to use. it's absurd
it wasn't meant to be. have pride mutt
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Distances. Earth is fucking huge when you travel on horses. They managed to held a continent sized empire when in Europe there was Luxemburg-like kingdoms fighting each others, that's already an achievement.
Internal strife, just like the Romans
China has desires for all those lands today.
>Reminder that China "discovered" Australia, possibly the Americas and then travelled all the way to Italy on giant treasure ships as large as a modern cruise liner and then the dumbass emperor burned everything to the ground so the Chinese lost all their maps and information on exploration.
>Australian aboriginals still have stories and cave paintings showing Chinese ships.
>Early Maori had Chinese in origin Porcelain and Ceramics
Chinese coin passed down by Australian aboriginals. Most likely from trade with Chinese traders for sea cucumbers.
>west is dying while china's rising
China is kind of rising but the west sure as hell ain't dying, not sure where you got that nonsense from.
Every nation has desire for more land.
Wh*tes are dying
China has absolutely no force projection.
That said.
>Bush
>War on Terror
>2008
>Trump
>Libya
These have massively damaged the US standing in the global community and the US is in decline as a world leader. Countries are looking to the CCP, rightly or wrongly, for global leadership in the 21st century, especially when it comes to issues like Climate Change which the Republicans literally don't believe exists and have gone out of their way to sabotage global efforts at halting.
Yes, but all the lands you listed are all controlled by China in part or in full.
Chinese have always had peak aesthetics. Even Red Guard uniforms were dopeaf.
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There's thousands of miles of taiga, steppe, desert, mountains, jungle, and ocean between China and Western Eurasia, much of it sparsely populated, watered, and developed for most of history. It would have taken massively expensive colonization efforts on their part to even hope to gain a foothold outside their usual river valleys, so they almost always settled on making tributaries of their surrounding barbarians in order to keep their borders and trade routes stable.
Plus its political culture caused most of its governors and generals to usurp or exploit a well defined and managed imperium. Central Asian princes and warlords by contrast were far more expansionist, which is why you always see them invade China, India, or Persia but rarely the other way around.
Yeah sure whites aren't dying....... have you seen the demographic pyramids of germany, france and sweden?
Natural borders.
See
>can't sea-keep for fuck, unmanouverable, no keel, sucks to windward
>0/10, would not use for regular blue-water voyages
It really activates my almonds how everybody jerks off to the treasure ships because of pure size. Size isn't everything. To a seaman or would-be trading and naval power, they're shitty ships.
This
China is an extremely diverse polity with many different ethnic and cultural groups. As with any diverse polity it's politically and socially unstable, so whatever dynasty came into power spend most of their effort and energy holding the empire together.
It was not stable enough, among other things
Why would they, they had everything they would ever need inside their borders, and for the most part still do.
I'd argue that's the reason they started to decline, in fact, I mean what's the point in communicating (and sharing ideas) with other nations when you think you already have everything you need?
weak genes weak ideologies, chinese basins a storm in a teacup
A for effort and appearance, though
>Whites = west
Imagine being this retarded.
Because they don't need to and don't want to. Also because they're not so warmongering like steppniggas.
After mass immigration of the third world to Germany, France and etc you will have muslim states trying to jihad and convert the nearest christian countries like Poland.
>west sure as hell ain't dying
user, I...
Western culture is white culture... shitskins and niggers are going to turn the west into Africa. Just look at South Africa before the death of apartheid and South Africa now.
+1
Lmao I might not like chink shilling either but your entire post is bullshit. Get the fuck off of /pol/z
The fucking mountains
>your entire post is bullshit
care to expand on that?
Care to read a book?
China was never that advanced.
That's shilling, OP just pretends to ask
Ah, you're right, I'm just a bit dim. Funny thing is I've seen similar posts on other boards and I'm not talking about the political ones.
>Imagine being this American.
Europeans nationalities all fucking despise eachother and do not share the same culture at all. Europe has thousands of different cultures.
Hell until like the early 20th century, even Germans were not considered "White" but Swarthy, Irish were not considered white but "Iberian", Scandinavians were not considered white but "Swarthy", white literally meant Anglo-Saxon.
China was far more advanced than Europe throughout the dark ages to the late middle ages.
Problem is they kept getting BTFO'ed by shitty emperors who kept burning everything to the ground and Mongols.
>China was far more advanced than Europe throughout the dark ages
Not advanced than Islamic countries (Abbasid, Umayad) or Persia or India...
>I don't have an answer because I'm just a butthurt chink
>Hell until like the early 20th century, even Germans were not considered "White" but Swarthy, Irish were not considered white but "Iberian", Scandinavians were not considered white but "Swarthy", white literally meant Anglo-Saxon.
Complete bullshit. The kind of pamphlets that referred to the Irish and the Germans as non-white were the 19th century equivalent of shitposting on /int/. It was never commonly thought that they weren't 'white'. It's just that the word 'race' didn't have quite the same meaning, nor was 'white' such a loaded word. You've clearly sort of heard that people cared more about being 'Anglo-Saxon' in the 19th century, but you haven't really understood what was meant by that and projected your cultural background - based ultimately on the stark dichotomy between American whites and American blacks after the second world war - onto the historical meaning.
Just because English and Americans thought being Anglo-Saxon made them better than the Mediterraneans or the Slavs, didn't mean they thought of those peoples as on a par with blacks. Whites, or Europeans, were superior to the negroid and mongoloid races. But within 'white' and 'European' there were subsets like Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Mediterranean which were ranked differently. There was plenty of banter about how our side was better than your side, but no one seriously considered their fellow Europeans to be subhuman. Only in a few specific places where there was strong ethnic tension between, say, Anglo-Saxon and Celtic did people start shitposting about how the other side wasn't really white at all and were more like negroes. Boston in the 19th century, for example, where Irish immigrants clashed with the heavily entrenched Anglo establishment.
No western country was a tributary of china
HORSENIGGERS
i'd vote for this guy
for a while western trading missions would bring gifts for the Chinese emperor with them. The Westerners thought they were just being polite guests. The Chinese thought they were bringing tribute.
>The Chinese thought they were bringing tribute.
Chink Autism
>nd then the dumbass emperor burned everything to the ground so the Chinese lost all their maps and information on exploration.
1) They didn't lose info (for example: they called Western Europeans "Folangji" from "Ferenggi," an appellation they got from visiting the Gulf during the Expeditions).
2) The Treasure Fleets were halted because
-->They did their main objective (Dazzle the Spice Route to trade with China, now that Timur turned the Silk Road into a shithole)
-->The Treasure Fleet was a massive money sink and they needed funds to fight the Four Oirats Confederacy (a.k.a Mongol Empire 2.0)
> Size isn't everything. To a seaman or would-be trading and naval power, they're shitty ships.
You're right, because on the get go: they weren't practically designed ships. They were literally floating party palaces laden with Chinese products and some Cargo Space that sailed close to shore designed to wow the Spice Route states into trading with China. It would stop at an (already known) port, host the Kings and Princes of those states to a feast, and sign trade & diplomatic deals with them. Only 11 were made, while the rest of the fleet was composed of more practical warships and supply ships like water tankers and grain barges to supply the whole thing.
The main objective of the Expeditions was to channel maritime trade into China. While there was some sea-trade in past centuries, it was never as heavy as the traffic in the Silk Road. Since Mongol Collapse and Timur turned the Silk Road into a shithole, the Spice Route became the new priority of the Ming Emperors.
As such, the Treasure Fleet (hence the fucking name) was less an exploration fleet and more of a grand diplomatic/economic power projection effort. Think a fleet of luxury cruise liners escorted by carrier battlegroups.
There was only one exploratory aspect to Zheng He's mission however: find what was beyond the Arabian Peninsula. Which Zheng He did: Africa.
t. Definitely a Mutt
0.02 Yuan have been deposited to your account
China was already gigantic
And under the Tang the had effective control deep into Central Asia
The issue is it's very hard to maintain effective state power across the breadth of Eurasia, even the Nomad empires had issues and they were far more decentralized than china could even attempt to be without imploding
China invaded, and actively possessed, Vietnam many times in history. For over a thousand years at one point.
You know he won’t and never has.
I think this is key. China, for a long time, was where everyone ELSE wanted to get shit from. It was part of why the ME/Muslim empires prospered and why the West sought an alternative route around the Muslim Empires to trade with the East. China didn't have much incentive to go abroad, unlike the West, though now it's different.
They also are fictional, something that made it hard for them to be used for serious exploration or economic activity.
it's more like arrogance which you can see in abundance itt
checked
They didn't use the phonetic alphabet
The one time they tried, the Arabs won.
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>LOL Why didn’t China just occupied empty central asia that’s only valuable for silk road cities and is full of nomads???
kek