Please don't sage or report me because I am creating another Nazi related thread but hear me out. National Socialism isn't white nationalism. Right?
Isn't National Socialism simply just German supremacy and German unification of all German speaking countries and living space at the expense of other Europeans such as Jews, Poles, Russians, Belarusians, Czechs, and other slavs? Why do people want to be simplistic and call it white nationalism when yes, the Nazis proclaimed the Germanic volk to be part of a superior race, a race of Aryan supermen so in Nazi racial theory, blacks and other non-Europeans were racially inferior. White nationalists can overlap with Nazis but isn't it a stretch to call National Socialism practiced by Hitler "white nationalism"? That just seems too simplistic.
Please don't sage or report me because I am creating another Nazi related thread but hear me out...
Because people are stupid. They prefer simplifications and strawmen over nuance.
It's a chronology thing
nazism is dead but neonazism isn't, and neonazism is somewhat distinct from nazism as it exists in other nations than Germany.
This. People are dumb as fuck about the definition of fascism anyway so that in common speech it may as well be a synonym for authoritarian at this point.
stormniggers subconsciously know that Hitlerism was retarded, so they have to pretend he believed in things he never believed in, and sometimes contradict his actual beliefs in order to make him seem less terrible
>National Socialism isn't white nationalism. Right?
Yes, they are separate things, not the same.
But they have a lot of overlap and white nationalists today will use nazi ideology.
National Socialism was about Germans and economic ideology.
White nationalism is American whites being annoyed about immigrants.
Would the US and Britain of the 1940s, the enemies of Nazi Germany, be considered "white nationalist" also?
I think by today's standards they would.
Many Westerners of those days supported racial ideas that would fit well in modern "white nationalism", but they outright hated German National Socialism.
It's a gross oversimplification people do, that any radical nationalist should somehow be expected to like Nazis just like the idea that nationalists in the US should automatically worship the Confederacy, even when faced with contradiction. This is due to the ignorance of some of this nationalist who naively attach themselves to symbols from the past and also the ignorance of critics of nationalism in general who want to make their opponents seem as worst as possible.
It's Marxist influence. They started and perpetuate the 'anything right of us is fascism' meme that muddles the terminology.
They would count as white supremacist, since they believed they and their culture was so much better that it had to be either spread to other people, or used to rule over them. White nationalists are not imperialist.
National socialism is simply just that: socialism for nations. And 'nations' in the original sense of that word, for a 'people'.
All class and economic differences within a people are removed (or at least minimised) in order to put the furtherance of the people as a whole as a priority.
Yeah, I always found it a weird quirk if history how fascism and nazism became synonymous, when Italy was really the only fascist country.
Nazism prioritized state>nation whereas one of the primary tenants of racism was nation>state.
PS. Any comparison to traditional 'nationalism' is worthless as a political entity like 'Germany' may or may not hold the entire people or Volk.
And any comparison to 'left' or 'right' is also worthless, as qualities of both, or neither, are all subsumed into the common goal.
The exact opposite, actually. Germany was simply a place and political vehicle for the German Volk.
I'm serious about this but did Hitler have the assburgers? You know that disease that my millennial son has and a lot of them fellers have today?
""""socialism""""
USA was White Nationalist from 1790 until the 1870s. South Africa was White Nationalist during Apartheid. Germany was just German nationalist.
National socialism didn't only exist in Germany during WW2 you absolute brainlet, it also existed in several other Axis nations.
>Isn't National Socialism simply just German supremacy and German unification of all German speaking countries and living space at the expense of other Europeans such as Jews, Poles, Russians, Belarusians, Czechs, and other slavs?
yes, exactly right.
"""""White nationalism"""""" is a meme for Burgers.
To this fucking day white people in Europe are murdering each other because they believe they belong in different nations.
History teachers tell us Adolf Hitler was the biggest racist of all time but if you look at his victims they were all 99% white skinned. Something isn't adding up.
that was still racism because he viewed the slavs and jews as a separate and inferior race you dumbass.
>socialism for nations.
WRONG! Hitler killed off all the socialist in the night of long knives
Slavs and Jews have white skin though. Usually at least. Does white mean something different than white skin?
>muh skin color
americans everyone
Not all Slavs.
#notallslavs
Yep.
No. The US had black people and other non white groups living there at the time.
According to US laws only white people could become naturalized citizens. But by 1940s I think they already changed them.
Well not allslavs indeed because Hitler was willing to be allied with the Croats, Slovaks,etc. as long as it benefited him and the Nazi aims for Eastern Europe. He didn't give a fuck about other Slavs though. Ukraine was to be Germanized and the rest of the population either exterminated, Germanized, enslaved or deported to the east. The same goes for the Russians, either exterminated, enslaved, deported or if possible Germanize them.
Yes, everyone I'm a good goy. Good OP, you're being a good goy for Zion and for the chosen race by attacking the white race and the "great one" Hitler. Good goy.
Becuase of the fact that they are similar to what many white nationalists were in the 80/90s.
People dont think about succinct thought, but want rhetoric as it keeps things easy and reliable.
The only reason why white nationalism and retards like Richard Spencer are associated with Hitler is because leftists and liberals keep screeching HITLER!!!!! every time they see a white person being nationalist.
This is literally the reason how /pol/ got duped into voting Trump, because they saw CNN and HuffPost calling him a nazi and unironically believed it.
wut
He didnt go just by skin colour. He went by religion and social class, as well as skull shape, eye shape, hair colour etc. All these divisions are arbitrary (that group is human, that one isnt) He used different divisions.
>definition of fascism anyway so that in common speech it may as well be a synonym for authoritarian at this point.
But fascism is authoritarian, even by the own definition if its creator - Benito Mussolini.
Fascism being authoritarian is a different thing than fascism and authoritarian being synonyms you absolute nigger.
>all dogs have fur, so all things with fur are dogs
there is more to fascism other than that it is authoritarian. Communism and Monarchies are not fascist for example
Fascism doesn't allow anything outside of its parameters of state, law, politics and morals. It doesn't allow opposing opinions (against the state) by the OWN DEFINITION OF BENITO MUSSOLINI - THE CREATOR OF FASCISM HIMSELF YOU FUCKTARD.
Nothing outside of the state and nothing against the state (different/opposing opinions) is simple authoritarianism. Eh, every communist country I know (especially the USSR) have been fascist to the core, not allowing dissidents (frankly even killing them).
Fascism is authoritarian. There are other ideologies that are also authoritarian but aren't fascist. You fucking retard. Are you American?
Fascism isnt just "authoritarian state" user. Communism isnt Fascism just because its also authoritarian.
I refure to believe people are this stupid
Only when coerced into it by Germany double brainlet, otherwise Germany's allies were fascist or nationalist
Again, the creator of fascism, Benito Mussolini, defined fascism as - ALL WITHIN THE STATE, NOTHING OUTSIDE THE STATE, NOTHING AGAINST THE STATE.
This could perfectly sum up the USSR - ALL WITHIN THE STATE (no capitalism and state controlled "corporatism") NOTHING OUTSIDE THE USSR (total state control), NOTHING AGAINST THE USSR (no opposite opinions = dissidents removed).
But it's its key element.
Just stfu pleb.
Polack retard.
>taking random quotes to define an entire political system
go back to the john green videos
Oh just stfu, you're the same idiots like the Muslims who say that Islam is what they think it is AND NOT WHAT THE CREATOR OF IT, MUHAMMED, SAID THAT IT WAS (in the Quran and the Hadiths).
>>taking random quotes to define an entire political system
You idiot, again, THE CREATOR OF FACISM, Benito Mussolini, was asked to define fascism and he answered with
>ALL WITHIN THE STATE, NOTHING OUTSIDE THE STATE, NOTHING AGAINST THE STATE.
YOUR STUPID OPINIONS DON'T MATTER FUCKTARDS.
That's a brainlet understanding of the definition. Totalitarianism as claimed by fascists meant total participation of the individual in the state (Gentile's state as the highest degree of freedom), not total control of the individual by the state.
There were no corporations in USSR either. And "nothing against the state" didn't mean that dissidents were removed. Quite the opposite, the fascist theoreticians like Gentile were proud of fascism's dialectical potential, that it wasn't dogmatic but invited a lot of varying, sometimes opposing views and allowed a new quality to emerge from their clash.
user, youre an idiot.
Polack retard
And even then they were coerced into adopting certain nazi policies, like increased discrimination against Jews and the deportation of them.
OP same fagging here.
Go bitch on reddit if you're that mad that something that isn't fascist is authoritarian. I bet you're one of those "it's not real communism" faggots.
>That's a brainlet understanding of the definition.
Okay, but then you're calling Benito Mussolini (the creator of fascism himself) a brainlet, not me, I'm just repeating his own definitions.
>There were no corporations in USSR either
Actually the USSR had "corporations", enterprises or companies (whatever you want to call them), legal entities. Get educated.
>And "nothing against the state" didn't mean that dissidents were removed. Quite the opposite,
Don't make me laugh, I look at the reality and what happened. Are you going to go the same route as commies saying it's not real communism?
Oh the irony of that!
>Amerimutts.thread
Literally an American myself an honeslty, any American who gives a shit about race needs to look in the mirror. None of us are "Pure". Being an American transcends stupid archaic pride in race, ethnicity or religion. We are all one because we believe in freedom and self determination. Because we are the future of mankind in the sense that we put ideology and progress before tradition. White Nationalists are retarded "Americans" who don't even know what being a real American is all about.
>Actually the USSR had "corporations", enterprises or companies (whatever you want to call them), legal entities. Get educated.
You just proved yourself an utter moron. Please go and check what "corporation" stands for in the context of fascism and corporatist theory.
Liberal soyboy. Race traitor.
Back to your containment board faggot.
The Coke part is an obvious fake. Misses the Kommas and an Umlaut in Getränk
The only moron is you by saying that corporations didn't exist in the USSR. You idiots don't even know basic definitions of the words you use.
> "corporations", enterprises or companies
Holy shit what.
what is Corporatism?
> Actually the USSR had "corporations", enterprises or companies (whatever you want to call them), legal entities. Get educated.
Educated yourself, twat. Corporations and companies are different things in this context.
Corporatism =/= corporations you fucking mongrels.
>Corporations and companies are different things in this context.
"in this context" is not an argument.
What's the definition of a corporation?
>A large company or group of companies authorized to act as a single entity and recognized as such in law.
If you say that the USSR or other communist satellite states didn't have those then you're ignorant and uneducated.
I'm not addressing corporatism now, but the fact that he said >There were no corporations in USSR either.
you moron.
> What's the definition of a corporation?
why are you still desperately commenting in this thread? you have proven yourself not have a basic grasp on the topic.
fucking hell amerimutts are stubbornly stupid.
Just stfu already pleb.
I have many criticisms of generic whigger nationalism, but your take is retarded. This idea of America has never existed historically and is a recent invention. The racial question has always been prevalent throughout American history because the colonial New World provided the context for such questions to arise.
Also on the topic of religion, puritanism and the Protestant sects that emerged in America have been central to American ideology and expansion. There's a reason why founding stock types were so adamantly against Catholic immigrants.
I am curious, how do you know he is polish?
Most europeans understood that nazis were just pan-germanic ultranationalist, but americans once again just simplified everything and made it into their own situation, making it a "fact".
Entire shit with nazis being "white nationalists" started when american neo-nazis like G.L Rockwell started to larp as brownshirts to gain attention and adopted nigger chants like "WHITE POWAH!" as opposite to "Black Power".
They even called themselves "nazis" ffs and were proud of it...
This also has to be from a lack of proper education and making the theme of Nazism as simplistic as possible imo. "Liberals" and stormfags don't know what true oppression is but the media and people in general like to sensationalize the loudest fringes in America. Of course the people calling Trump a fascist or a dictator wouldn't know what real repression looks like. They wouldn't last 5 minutes under real tyranny and oppression. The same goes for the stormfags, they wouldn't last 5 minutes under a Nazi regime.
Puritanism was irrelevant.
>National Socialism isn't white nationalism. Right?
National socialism is Pan-Germanic nationalism. White Nationalism includes all Europeans.
All fascism is authoritarian, not all authoritarianism is fascist
wtf? Hans Herman Hoppe was in the american nazi party?
America is a Germanic culture, so where is the contradiction with them embracing a pan-germanic movement?
lmao they look so autistic
>America is a Germanic culture
no, this is fundamentally an English culturally country. And neo-nazism isnt pan germanic ultra nationalism at all in America, but simply white supremacy and white nationalism.
Fun fact, the dude all the way in the right (flat top glasses guy) is Dan Burros and he was a Jew.
I'm not a /polfag/ or a stormfag but why do you all hate Germany? Why do you hate it so much? I mean yeah Hitler was not perfect in Germany wasn't perfect either but Germany was a lot freerback then compared to today. I'm not saying that refugees are bad or that there's a white genocide I don't think white genocide is happening but Germany under Hitler was a lot more stable and less chaotic though.
I think it started of by Veeky Forumstorians pointing out that a lot of the bad things that has happened in Europe and be traced back to the Germans, /pol/acks lashed out (of course) and Veeky Forumstorians and the crypto-/leftypol/ tankies started pursuing it to trigger the /pol/acks, so much in fact that it ended up becoming its own meme. Not all Germans are bad although you have to admit, their Jantelagen tier social autism is pretty unnerving
>this is fundamentally an English culturally country.
>not knowing that english culture is germanic
First of all, no, English isn't as germanic as you think...
English language is 65% more latin/romance then germanic, english culture and "ethnicity" is mix of manny people like original celts, romans, anglo-saxons, nords, normans and french etc.
Second, American nationalism was civic one even with concepts like "White nationalism", america culture was about assimilating all immigrants into their culture, immigrants like english, irish, french, german, spanish, italians, polish etc. were all different but one thing they had incommon was white skin color, to differentiate themselves from black slaves, americans created "white nationalism".
Culturally America is mix of manny cultures that aren't even germanic the least and if american neo-nazis were pan-germanic nationalist they should've called themselves german-american nazis...
Germany's cool, stormfags are the problem. Past or present.
>i mean i'm not a stormfag but hitler was ok right and i do NOT believe in the white genocide meme believe me
shoot yourself or make the day of the rope your own
It's a common thread in history that germans start shit which causes massive catastrophies.
Add to that germans are always proud of themselves, seeing themselves better then their neighbors, starting shit because of their autistic hubris, it caused a massive dislike for them.
Stormfags love to defend Germany tooth and nail even if they themselves aren't german but just have a sick fetish for german aesthetics like uniforms, symbols etc. , it's enjoyable to make fun of their sacred lambs and see how they get butthurt over it.
>Germany under Hitler was a lot more stable and less chaotic though.
You call a state that was close to economic collapse so was in needed to wage a giant war while creating giant forced labour camps, a "more stable and less chaotic" state?
Conflating a modern political movement with a past one (especially a disliked one) is a political tactic.
Don't read too deeply into accusations of Nazism if you want to actually understand right-wing politics.
>white nationalists are Americans
It started in goddamn Europe you goddamn idiot, goddamn