/Fraud/ Steroid General

Depends on your BF but for Delts dont pin the full inch since they are tiny anyway

>Is 25g 1" too big for delt injection?
its fine
maybe dont go all the way in but i wouldnt worry too much unless youre dyel af

>Delts dont pin the full inch since they are tiny anyway
tfw i don't know this feel anymore

feels good man

There were never decent trips faggot. Even people on steroids are fucking dyel beyond believe. i can't see any difference in people on steroids or natty, so that doesn't make any difference at all. Beside that, most talk over here isn't even about steroids. Only muhhh I LOST MUH NATTY CARD GUIYZZ I AM GENNE MEKE IT BECUASE TREN AND ZYZZ AND TREN

Where is the decent part? Elaborate

It's too small.

I don;t even understand how you people can even use 25g with all the fat.

>t. Even people on steroids are fucking dyel beyond believe. i can't see any difference in people on steroids or natty

>there were never decent trips
>is a trip

checks out

also ghandi has a much better physique than you

>it's remotely comparable
>hey hey the guy in a car drives faster than you run
>you're slow

how are you so fucking retarded?

What the fuck are you trying to say?

Never reply to me again

your gland's weight doesn't count towards FFMI, you're not piano man level yet

Because i am above that level. They're still thinking of a term that could posssibly classify that level of superiority

He is the only one who looks like he roids & bimbo. He looks really good. I never denied that. I respect the man.

But let's brag with other people to defend my standpoint, because why would i use myself to prove something. Perhaps because i am.... dyell!!? LMAO. You're doing my work, this is no fun for me.

This is so creditworthy i can't even. kek

can you people stop the meme war.

posting bear to spread peace

did you do it yet ? after 3 days of 500mg dim you should notice resluts but i must know since its been succeful with 3 people to see if its succesful with everybody who uses it.

Hey guiyz did you knew that ....Bill Gates has more money than you combined? So that makes you all fucking poor. KEKEKEKEK.

BTFO!!!

mast - 1
dyel - 0

...

youtube.com/watch?v=SkqbHQqLwMU

>masT's daily routine
i take that as a no

next week i will, i promise.

its urgent, my bacne isnt severe but i would still prefer a clean skin

? You don't understand

>Bill Gates is human being with brown hair
>I have brown hair
>He's rich
>we both have brown hair
>People with brown hair accomplished something
>I accomplished something

youtube.com/watch?v=jF6NXvUKfLs

ill be waiting

PRAISE KEK UNTIL THEN I WILL

Hey folks, happy Friday to y'all, I just came off an injury that required a few months of PT and want to start my first cycle. Can I lay out my thinking and some individual concerns and get feedback from y'all? It would be much appreciated

go for it

also have you started lifting again after your injury yet? if you haven't you probably should for a few weeks before roiding so your joints and tendons get accustomed to it again, rather than immediately gaining roidstrength and snapping your shit.

>go downstairs to get meme multivitamin before I forget
>bend down to pet dog
>he starts licking my face
>"user eww he was just licking his penis"
Nice

So last night ended up going really well

>DMTqt comes over
>show her some of Peek's posts, try to interpret what we both just experienced iin terms of those descriptions and our own formulations
>find out through these series of conversations she's very aware, pretty philosophical and intelligent herself
>chit chat for a few hours, but it isn't mindless small talk that fucking sucks like usual
>genuinely interesting conversation that carries on and on until we barely realized how much time has passed
>once we come to that realization decide we're both fucking starving, get ready to head out and get food, realize it's 3 degrees outside and we're not about to fucking go out in that
>order some delivery so some random arab dude has to suffer instead
>continue our conversation, learn a lot about each other, decide we're going to do some shrooms
>pull out the little box of magic and divvy up about 2g for her and 3.5ish for myself, nothing too intense
>spend the entire rest of the night eating korean, discussing the state of current politics, evens, and the intrinsic qualities of the world and its energy that we admire, fucking and listening to music

honestly that was one of the best experiences within the last year or two of my life, very introspective in a weird way

dont do drugs kids

Guys so is increased facial fat (not water retention) caused by low T or high E2? I need to fix this brahs plz halp

>not licking his benis before he licks yours
what are you gay or something.

post top doggo.

i bet my imgur shit would only make this situation of yours more complicated. if you belived in it that is.

oh well my redpilling has only increased ten fold.

Is 2 or 3.5 grams not way too little? I only did shrooms when I was 15 and can't remember how much I took. But with truffles a dose is around 7 to 10 grams. And eating even lessens the effect.

>Delusions of grandeur edition + Steroids will give me the ability to talk to women without stuttering and looking at the floor
>
>>I really want to see someone with ridiculous game like this get on Tren

I'm on 100 Tren A ED and 600 Tren E every week. + 250 test e per week and 100 anavar a day

My dick is raw from how much sex Ive been having. Plus I've been jerking it 2-3 times a day

I had sex with both of my girlfriend's yesterday ( idk how having two happened but it did). However I did break up with one in the morning after sticking it in her butt. Then I drove home and fucked the other.

AMA

youtube.com/watch?v=1tK29Y2clHw

watch this while on DMT or LSD or else your a pleb

It's interesting to read through of course, I prefer actual literature on it, but some of the stuff in the link is interesting nonetheless and fun to read through.

Depends on the person, as everything does with psych's. Her and I both have done shrooms a number of times, and know our dosages and what works for us, just so happens that we both lie on the 'lower tolerance' side of the spectrum.

Of course there's also variability in potency through different sources depending on how legitimate they are, and we weren't going for a 'fucking insane' trip either, just a light, relaxing, enjoyable trip.

His name is familiar. He also directed "M" right? Watched that on LSD once, interesting.

2 is a light dose, good for first time.

3.5 is pretty heavy, good dose if you're experienced with other oysches

5g is intense

7g is like 'wouldn't recommend it dude' tier

glad you enjoyed it none the less spread the redpills from the drop box though

I've done 7. Wouldent recommend. You'll be in fucking outerspace but not in a good way

I went to a smart shop here in the Netherlands and they sell truffles per 15 grams. The dude working there told me we could best take 10 grams at first and then take more if the trip started wearing off. But I guess truffles and shrooms differ quite a bit.

When it started kicking in, it kicked in hard though, it felt similar to when xtc kicks in.

ur just fat bro

what the fuck is the point of 100 anavar if you're on 1300 tren a week, lol

Never gone above 5.

And 5 was... intense.

LSD vs shrooms in general is preference.

LSD provides a longer trip, like 12-13 hours instead of 7-8.

Also, LSD trips, even at very high dose, are more visual.

Whereas shrooms have a strong emotional tone to the trip.

Of course, LSD and shrooms both have visual and emotional elements, but I personally prefer the visual elements to the emotional ones.

Sometimes with shrooms it's too thought provoking, too much insight into your physche and shit.

Where as even huge, 750ug dose of LSD is mostly just 'bro look at how beautiful this shit is'

Fucking hard and rippppeddd brahhhh

dude what, im only 6'1 200lbs and I can go full 1 1/4 inch no problem

there's no need to go deeper than 1/2" but i dont see why not

>1/2-3/4 white black person

do sexy blacks just not exist or what

they probably arent dried then, theyre like 80% water so 10 g fresh would probably be equivalent to 2 g dried

IIRC it's 90% 10:1 but I'm not sure please research before you do like 50g of raw shrooms and dose yourself with 10g and lose your mind

Also, it would depend on how dry they were already, 10:1 (IIRC! DISCLAIMER!) is straight up raw.

>tfw talking about drugs with you degenerates doesn't make me want to drugs even a little

Nice, I made it.

I have never tried LSD. Going bad scares me.

It is far easier to have a "bad trip" on shrooms than LSD because like I said, more emotional, less visual

To minimize risk of a bad trip on either, make sure you are in a happy and positive mood and had a good week before you take it

If you're having a rough time, bad week, stressed, depressed, you're putting yourself at risk

Also, make sure you take it in the morning, on a nice day, when you have nothing to do, can just chill outside.

If you're an introvert, no 'spotter', no friends, no nothing, just do it alone

I can't fucking stand people when I am on any physch

If you hit bone you went too far. Doctors do this to people all the time without the person even noticing. Not a big deal, just get that shit in there.

Seconding how easy it can be to have a bad trip on shrooms compared to LSD

Only time I've ever had a bad trip I was on blatantly retarded dosages for no good reason except I had a shitty day, so that's two stupid things I did going in to the trip

Was about 13 drops of liquid LSD at ~110ug per drop iirc. With 0.14g MDMA added in.

Pretty much everything he said rings true, take it when you're comfortable in life and when you can dedicate an entire two days (the day of AND the day after) to doing absolutely nothing at all.

>introvert, no 'spotter', no friends, no nothing
seconding this as well, UNLESS its your first time, then you should really have a spotter at least until you hit your peak, to make sure you can handle it.

Also, keep some benzos on hand if you need to come down from the trip. 2 or 3 Xanax and I'm toast from a trip, pass out and wake up sober, have only had to use the one time I had a bad trip.

Conversely, I'm a person who needs some form of contact while on a psych, but it needs to be intelligent contact. e.g. the conversations and experiences I shared with DMT girl, not just "LOL BRO, I AM SO FUKKED UP"

yeah its only a rough estimation but it also depends on what youre comparing, different strains of shrooms and truffels have different ratios obviously

>t 13 drops of liquid LSD at ~110ug per drop
>bad day

>everything he said rings true

I used to be a filthy degenerate like you guys and physchs were my drug of choice

>spotter first time

Sort of disgaree, I'd rather he just did a bitch dose 150ug his first time, and no spotter

How are you gonna have a bad trip on 150ug lol, you'd be lucky to have any """"trip"""

>benzos on hand

Dunno how I forgot this, user, don't drink or use benzos, it will end your trip prematurely (unless you're having a bad trip and want it to end)

Also to that guy that was trying to help me before, I just went nearly 24 hours without eating and my glands were bigger than they have been in like a month. Doubt it's coincidence the ONE time I go without saliva production stimulation.

I've learned to balance it. Whenever I cut out my usage completely I become a bitter, cynical fucking cunt with a distaste for every aspect of human interaction and life. Probably a symptom of my original psych use to begin with.

But, when I pace myself, maybe a couple or few days of usage a handful of times a year, I enjoy the in between of experiences a lot more, and still get to enjoy psych's. Balance and moderation is key, as with anything else.

>how are you gonna have a bad trip on 150ug lol
tripped with a girl once (keep in mind, girl, tolerance was lower but still) who got herself stuck in a really, really, really evil thought loop

Kept repeating herself over and over for about an hour, having an internal crisis (very externally) about her sexuality, we ended up not giving her anything to come down from it because it seemed to be something she was personally struggling with for a long time, so she needed to push past it (ended up thanking us for this after the fact)

but man, she was out of it. Completely. Only a 165ug dose, too.

And I smoked weed with a girl who had an internal crisis after like 3 hits of mids

I suspect attention whoring.

>learned to ballance it

I posted before about it, but flashbacks are FUCKING REAL DUDE.

I did 750ug like clockwork, every 5 days for a year.

For the next few years, when I was very tried, or drunk, or smoked weed, I would see the tell tale patterns around me of LSD use. You know, the floral patterns on fabrics, or brick walls, etc.

The same as if I was maybe 30 minutes into a trip (just took a dose 30 mins ago)

Flashbacks are NOT a meme if you abuse it.

> I become a bitter, cynical fucking cunt with a distaste for every aspect of human interaction and life.

Hmm, I dislike human interaction unless it's sales or getting laid.

Because then you get the satisfaction of 'selling' something you wanted to get rid of, forcing it on another person who took it off you.

My favorite thing in life has always been sales.

I have trust problems though, I don't associate with anyone irl other than customers or tindies because of those trust problems.

The reason I like this general so much partially, is because, I feel like you guys, there's no possibly way you can try to even use or abuse me.

A friend, for example, could say 'lets get lunch' and then 'forget' his wallet.

How is a trip in /fraud/ gonna do something like that to me?

They can't.

>but man, she was out of it.

hurr durr if i freak out about my sexuality I will get some attention from cat piss and maybe a chance to explore it with him ;>)

sounds great breh, tripping with someone going in deep conversations are easy some of the best moments of my life, loveit, im now going to try and convert a grill to being a fertility goddess that understands the importance of gender roles after reading what he was saying lel

>750ug like clockwork

yeah even I wasn't that bad. I'd consider 300ug a VERY high dose for me now. I usually like to relax and really entertain deep conversation or experiences on 165ug, that's my usual single tab dosage

if I want a lot more introspection, I'll go up to a 225ug tab, but that's about it anymore

the one time I did ~1400ug was just not pleasant, not even because of the bad portion of the trip, I just don't remember it, I don't feel like I accomplished anything, I was just incoherently fucked

>trust problems
I dealt with this a lot. The biggest key is just to remember that nobody owes you anything. As you said in your 'lets get lunch' example, you don't deserve to pay for someone elses lunch, but nobody else is obligated to give you that shit either. Just remember that everything goes both ways and when you have to put trust in someone, use a bargaining chip requiring their trust back, it'll work out for the better that way.

>hurr durr if I freak out about my sexuality I will get some attention from CP and maybe a chance to explore it with him :>)

if only it was that easy for me

but really, we just left her alone in her room upstairs and could hear her really flipping shit about this stuff, and kinda "stomping" around. She was very much out of it, but has some actual mental issues as well that could have played into it.

>convert a grill to being a fertility goddess

god speed, it sounds like perfection

>A friend, for example, could say 'lets get lunch' and then 'forget' his wallet.
If that's the reason you hate humanity, you've got serious issues brah.

Most underrated pic in all of Veeky Forums

Is she your drug-gf now?

Did shroomin + fucking kinda blunt the motivation/drive/momentum that you felt right after the DMT trip?

Remember how we were discussing perma-trips that last for a lot longer than the time you're on the drug? I feel like for every single one of them, sexual expression or casual drug use (like weed or drinking) killed it or at least severely blunted the momentum imparted to me by those experiences.

The time it lasted for 6 months without a drug catalyst, it took a long time for the sexual expression to kill the momentum. It's really just the latent tendencies of the mind cropping up again, because the experience is not "earned" in the way that monks/saints earn it, by overcoming their old habits/ways and imposing a new order on their being. Re-designing themselves. When it's such a fast shot to the moon you're kinda put at the top of the mountain without the know how of how to climb back should you fall down.

And in that way, the fall is somewhat necessary and just.

However it turns out, glad you're having fun!

>convert a grill to being a fertility goddess that understands the importance of gender roles

Do it. Not impossible by any stretch of the imagination. You have to be fully sorted out yourself if you want to impart that sort of awakening. The girl I knew who underwent that transformation was already very philosophically adept in a non-trivial way like most grills are. Also extremely chaste and reserved, so she didn't try and rationalize promiscuity like most people do.

That last bit is very important - even if you are or have been promiscuous as a guy or a girl, you have to try and see it from a detached perspective and realize that you can change your opinion on whether or not it's a good thing without condemning yourself. Most people can't achieve that sort of detached objectivity sober, but it's most lasting when done sober (as she had achieved).

out of curiosity...

Aren't you afraid that your heart will explode or something? Do you know the risks or do you deny them? Do you feel the fat loss when cutting on clen?

>Peek's posts
Is that a trip here or something else? There's a cutie I tripped with a couple times, probably doing it again soon. She's pleasant to be around but I'm not of a quiet person - could use topic(s) to discuss.

out of curiosity why dont you fuck off and die
>inject steron
>omfg my heart exploded oh well gg
>b-but my fat ass better hint at wanting to use clen

yolo

rather live till 40 as a man who has the body/opportunities he wants instead of 80 as a basic beta

is this the famous roid rage?

i can see that

yea look at all the ifbb pros using 50x our dosages who are all dying in their 40s

wait they're all still fucking alive into their old ages, what's going on here guys?

>is she your drug-gf now?
kek, kinda maybe

she seems great, I could get used to the idea

>did shroomin + fucking blunt the motivation that you felt right after the DMT trip?

Not at all, actually, I feel like meeting her through the DMT experience (I think I'll always maintain that I did, because of the cosmic attraction we felt to come into contact with one another after our trips) and then exploring her as a person is only the first step towards a greater understanding of something larger.

If anything, it feels somewhat MORE motivational, to know that this experience has led to another great experience within itself, and so soon. I don't think it's changed anything, only encouraged me to act even more upon what I was feeling before.

clen is shit, DNP instead

>heart will explode
if you keep up with cardio, you don't literally feel this, and the overhyped negativity around it is 90% bullshit

>know the risks or deny them
depends on each and every person but by and large I would say that most people just deny them and try to pretend they're not taking any risks because it's a convenient excuse to allow them to use steroids

to be fair, he approached it more genuinely than most people do, no need to bash the guy

seeyes, a trip.

read through some of the previous threads from the last day or two in the archives, and search for his posts. Lots of good conversation starters there, for psych use.

Oh, and you don't? You're posting in /fraud/ kek.

One of the reasons I like this general again, is everyone here has severe mental problems too.

Bunch of fucking loons, everyone here is a narcissist, I'm a narrcasist and I'm skinny fat LOL.

I dunno, I find when when you push past 500ug, you get really intense visuals.

That was the main appeal of the drug for me.

My visuals were always, always floral patterns. Flower based stuff.

On like 200ug, just flower patterns, but on like 75oug, the flowers start to come to life a little bit better, start to grow, to throb, and honestly I have to say, it is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen, is a sea of flowers (the most beatiful ones I have ever seen, glistening with jewels) grow out of snow, or grass.

At 200ug, it's just fucking floral ish patterns. Not exciting.

>trust problems

Meh, I just assume everyone is out to fuck me, other than customers, who want to do business with me, fraud posters who can't, and tindies who want to use me sexually.

End of the day, the easiest way to not be taken advantage of, or even have people try to do so, is to just not give anyone the opportunity to do so.

Ever since I cut contact with all my """friends"""" (people that wanted to use me, cheat me, steal from me) no one has tried to cheat, steal, or use me.

The problem with normies is they always push and push and push, see what they can take. They ask you for a ride, you give them one, then, when you need one?

Doesn't matter that you dropped everything to help them before, they say 'Im busy dude'

Fuck those people, I don't need or want them.

I am so much happier now without any """friends"""

Normies are a fucking curse, a plague .

The only reason 99% of them have "friends" is to try to exploit more favors from than, than they give.

Anyone got any experience with trest? That, deca, or tren for a second blast?

tren

trest is an overpriced meme

depends on your goals

You want to remain relatively lean and bloat free? Go with tren

Want to use a 'wet' compound without estrogenic (still has progestrogenic sides) sides? use deca

want to grow some titties and become poor, but also have some insane fucking mass put on? use trest

For the visual side of things I can understand going to a large dosage, I've just always chased the philosophical and emotional enlightenment more than the visuals. I find other compounds to be more visually stimulating, personally.

>normies
the key here is, don't find normie friends! Why do you think I like the druggie girls so much? Unique people operating on their own wavelengths that aren't entirely applicable to normie standards whatsoever.

clen=sploding heart for shit results
roids=reduced heart health which can just about be completely negated by lifestyle unless you go crazy with dosages

Then shrooms would by far be better for you than LSD, you need to do like 1000ui for the same emtioional effects as a modest 2.5g shroom trip

Which is why I like LSD. Less emotional shit.

Every time I do shrooms, I become a gigantic asshole for a while. I do some instrsopection and I realize

>I don't fucking care about anybody other than myself, my mom, and my dad
>Fuck everyone else.
>There's actually a part of me that ENJOYS causing fucking problems for others

And then I think about all the people that caused problems for me in my life and think 'Well fuck, It's piss on people or be pissed on, I fucking get it, time to start pissing'

I don't like to look inside myself and see that staring back at me. It's bad.

As of now I care about others, I want all the trips here to be happy and shit.

Shrooms on high dosage, like 5g, make me think about myself, how I'm a prick, etc, I don't like it one bit.

I much prefer this version of me that cares about others.

I legitimately care about even you catpiss, all the trips really.

Even glands who is a cunt to me I want his fucking glands to be sorted out, badly

If I do fucking shrooms, I just won't care at all, or worse, I actually want his glands to get worse, so I can laugh about it.

>Not at all, actually
Awesome - very happy for you. Keep the motivation/enthusiasm up, they are very inspiring.

The whole thing where I framed it as a sort of progression up a mountain is just for illustration - you should always be seeking to learn from every experience and never be discouraged. Most important thing. If you have read all the spiritual books in the world you but don't have this good attitude, you are lost.

I'm so happy to read your posts, honestly. Such beautiful experiences that we don't see enough of in this world.

Very interested to see how these seeds of profound experiences germinate and blossom in the upcoming months for you.

>good conversation starters

I'll not take credit for the goodness of the topics - everything I know about the spiritual path and metaphysics is from the great giants of philosophy and religion. I am a humble student of them.

I relied a lot on Platonic terminology because most westerners are sympathetic to that way of thinking (also your DMT trip evoked memories of Platonic metaphysics to an uncanny degree).

The best conversations of this nature happen between people who have interacted with philosophical texts in a serious prolonged manner. Doing this before a trip is fertilizing the soil before planting the seed. Will potentiate your experience far more than any synergistic chemical compound - GUARANTEED.

forgot trip, on mobile now

who the fuck is this.. another natty?

TRT here for the bantz

deal with it

Actual trt or 400ngl 'low t disorder' to 1500ngl 'natty' trt?

>Actual trt or 400ngl 'low t disorder' to 1500ngl 'natty' trt?
so actual trt or actual trt?

275 ng/dl -> 800 ng/dl
100mg Test Cyp/week
750iu HCG over 3 shots a week

Not sure if that makes it "actual" or not. Legal right now.

Want to blast but doc is monitoring my bloods like a hawk bc I'm not 50 like most of his patients. Might decide to go the UGL route after next bloodwork. Way cheaper than doing it the legal way, which is fucked up. Also I am spooked about Leydig desensitization from running high-ish HCG for too long.

Any insight into the HCG concern appreciated.

isn't sub 300 low t and 1200-1000 like natty cut off for 99% of men

nothing wrong with using gear to leave humanity behind but if yo get your test levels checked and it's like 600 and you say 'fuck it's not 1200' and then boost that shit to 2000 ngl and say it's trt, lol

just be honest and call it what it is, using gear

The reference range for testosterone varies by doctor. I've seen the low limit be around 200-350 and the high limit around 900-1150, so you've pretty much got it.

I'm low T af natty.

Biggest change from TRT is the sleep. Dear God, I forgot what it was like to have RESTFUL sleep. Total life changer.

forgot pic

shit-flinging retards running the zoo, mast still vanishing so far up his own ass I've long since lost the ability to tell his "trolling" from genuine delusion, cancer chipmunk somehow still alive

can't for the life of me remember why I haven't been on /fraud/ much this semester

beg pardon?

What are you in school for? I really liked your posts when you were more frequently posting here, figured you were a pharmacy major or something.

here's the expert underage natty again acting like a know it all about steroids

>xD 400ng/dl test isn't low

strawpoll.me/11887173/r
strawpoll.me/11887173/r

fraud edition: Should alex fuck off already and stop shitting up the thread with his underage autism, and giving garbage advice about steroids to people when he himself is fucking natty and doesn't know shit?

I'm trying the meme routine incarnate; sheiko

it's fun t b h

interesting, i'm curious whats your take on what the gender roles should look like? correct me if im wrong, im assuming you believe the woman should be non promiscuous, a stay at home nurturer, elaborate, I mean I understand gender roles having an importance, but I'm also unsure where the fine line is between intelligently working in ways most fitting deemed by evolution, and whats just old fashioned and not exactly necessary to stay in line with.

You done with finals yet?

prelude to a physician assistant program

here let me do it for you

get the fuck out

stuck at 240 for a while because school was fucking with getting a decent surplus in and actual sleep, neat thing is I've probably dropped a couple percent while my lifts have gone up

yes my son, the liverpocalypse is nigh

I know that school struggle

the past number of weeks have just been trudging through the bullshit workload while trying to maintain a spark of sanity and focus on training/diet

it was fucking awful, glad I'm running a surplus again myself

>275 brick when

brick thank god you are not a pussy and are actually standing up against these retarded ass natties who for some reason think they belong in a steroid thread.... telling other people how to use steroids...

i've been browsing this shithole less and less and just sticking to certain other steroid forums, because those places aren't part of a larger social network like Veeky Forums, which is already pre-infested with fucking retards and autists.

i wonder why they have only just now began invading this thread a few months ago though. wasn't like this until this year

hows uni life ? i did my assoicates through online only and it was soooo fucking easy

MAGA probaly

they all want a short cut to le combat fitness incase shit goes down hill

/fraud/ is a no bully zone

Check out this quote for a brief taste of what the logic behind the traditional gender roles is:

The traditional gender roles aren't "antiquated," it's just that the people in charge of enforcing them forgot the rational underpinning for them and weren't able to impart the significance of them to the new generation.

Happens with everything - religion, political conservatism (hell even liberalism), hygiene, wealth management, morality, etc. If you don't get why things were done the way were done and/or can't communicate the logical underpinning of tradition to future generations, guess what - you're going to lose tradition.

But the funny thing about many traditions is that they return in one way or another because they are based in truth or human nature. So a few generations will go their wayward ways and make a bunch of mistakes, understand the rational underpinning behind some "antiquated" ideas, and bring them back (with some updates informed by the direction society has moved in the meanwhile).

To answer your question more directly, de-emphasizing the importance of a female's pre-nuptual chastity eventually leads to a weaker civilization (see JD Unwin for how not why), and unfulfilling lives for a good chunk of the female population (see feminist roasties who aren't hot enough to lock someone down after riding the cock carousel).

I'm not saying women should not work, but their work should not come at the expense of the natural and archetypal expression of their femininity. We can say that a lot of girls now days right now don't have innate traditional femininity whose natural expression IS to be career driven stronk womyn, but I think that it is more of a reflection of the female role models pushed in media as well as in school (which eventually becomes the new norm).

>/fraud/, sterons general
>where fucking retarded cuck natties talk about trannies

yep bye, back to the other forums for me. fuck this place