Why don't you love yourself, Veeky Forums?

I have always been shorter and smaller and it has destroyed my relationship with both family and society at large. Two of my earliest memories are 1) Looking through issues of FLEX at the barbershop and admiring the behemoths therein and imagining being that big one day, and 2) being the smallest boy on my first t-ball team and spending the entire season without a single run (in fact, I only made it to first base once).

All I've ever wanted was to be physically large in a way people admired and to have a reasonable slice of "win". It was apparent from early on to me that the physical component to attraction was inescapable without being assertive to the point of being an asshole and inviting retribution that you can't counter, so I'm short, timid, and even my early academic wins didn't mean anything in the long run. And since my brother is tall and athletic, my father didn't need me; I was the weird disappointment. Nothing I did was good enough compared to him.

If the people closest to you in life don't love and respect you as you are, how can you learn to do so for yourself? I'm miserable because I'm broken.

>skinny arms
>balding
>kv over 25
>literally nothing attractive about me to women

Because you shouldn't ever love or hate yourself.
Love is unconditional and therefore prevents you from making any progress, even sorely needed improvements, because you already reached the top regarding emotional view of yourself. Obese pigs end up dying from their self-love, because they're blinded by the wrong reasons to feel good about yourself.

Hate is a reverse of love and bad by the same virtue - this time, you're consumed by dark emotions and treat yourself much worse then you should in order to reach success; can also prevent you from improving yourself and so, you join a "pity party", so common on Veeky Forums or /r9k/, where people end up despising themselves and everyone they perceive better.. Hate may continue even after "making it" because just like love, hate isn't easy to get rid of.

What one should do, is realize their shortcomings and good sides, everyone has them, then work on decreasing the "bad" and improving the "good", always keeping a clear picture and never drifting between one extreme to another. This way, you get rid of stress and maximize your output.

Get out scoop man piano

29 and still going to college
29 and still browsing Veeky Forums
29 and still no car

what have i done with my life?

But at least 29 and in better shape than back when I was 19

Get a fucking grip on yourself man. I can tell you from experience that your manlet stature isn't the real variable affecting your relationships with family and friends.

>t. 5'5" manlet.

That's right.

You're sick with self-depreciation and thinking being taller would somehow make you succeed. You yourself set yourself up for failure and let your insecurities afflict your life in general.
I have no sympathy for such extremely narcissistic people. I bet you're not even 20 - grow a fucking pair and stop crying over what you can't change. Otherwise, you'll always be a loser having your life all about not having the goal height.

And that's all that matters. That you're better than your previous self. Also trust me, in ten years, a degree will come to your mind first and not being there at 29 (which isn't that old even). We're all gonna make it brah.

You guys just have to attain logic as your core value.
You need to click!

I've made a lot of irreversible mistakes.

Because if I had been a better man she wouldn't have left

Because I keep looking for validation in the opposite sex.

Its wearing out tho. Im starting to see my own values and thats the way it is.

People say this shit but then they would never choose to be short themselves. Proof is in the pudding. (Also in countless scientific studies.)

There's a difference between accepting it is better to be tall, and resigning yourself to failure in all aspects of life because you're short. I know plenty of really short guys who are awesome people to be around, great with girls, successful - the key to all of them? They never even consider their height a problem.

The longer short men obsess over their height, the more they'll get dragged into this weird fiction that height is a necessary condition for success in all aspects of life.

Neglected as a child, parents also put me down quite often.

Also I'm 6,4 white 8/10 face 9/10 insertions 21 years old and a virgin by my standards. (Fucked a few hookers). Most guys would kill to look like me but I lack charisma and personality.

I speak monotone, and am bad with eye contact. Although I've noticed the importance of eye contact in the last couple weeks.

The hookers were always dumbfounded when I would open the door, and ask how and why am I paying for sex. Feels bad knowing the true answer behind their questions.

i know that feel bro
sadly "real" girls arent as avaliable and next to impossible to meet

Dating is a game a guy cant win unless he is extremly lucky

It's kind of a vicious circle, don't like self, radiate discontent for social isolation, be distracted by rumination for lower performance, reflect on all this and repeat.

First world problems I guess.

There's nothing about me worth loving

I've never been truly happy. Never been comfortable anywhere, even at home. Alienated all my friends as I grew up, and I hardly ever go out. When I do go out, I don't really connect with anyone. Missed out on literally dozens of perfect opportunities with girls and women over the years because I'm socially incompetent. Only things I ever had going for me were intellect and a cute face. My intelligence doesn't mean shit because I'm not motivated and fucked up my college career by not going to class and being an anxious fuck all the time. Face is still attractive, but now my hairline is receding.

>25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said:
>26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple.

Loving yourself is overrated.

That's like club 27. If they hadn't died they wouldn't be the legends they are today, they would have made another one, two or three albums in decreasing quality and become ugly and annoying. Same with relationships.

You might find this interesting:
livescience.com/16650-narcissists-esteem.html

Oh hello friend

>26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple.
what did he meme by this

Not the guy who you answered to, but I appreciated your positivity. We're all gonna make it

Probably something to do with how all men are sinners and we should seek humility.

>9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable:
>10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
>11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector.
>12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
>13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
>14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

I don't know what you're talking about my love is super conditional.

Autistic, hot headed manlet lmao

My interpretation of what he meant is if you're not so sick of the material world that you "hate" it and everyone that inhabits it, you will not be ready to make the serious spiritual progress necessary to follow him.

Christians will tell you it (and the following parable) is about the commitment necessary to become a disciple. In other words "There may come a time when you have to turn your back on your entire family, even yourself, to follow me. Do not set out upon this path unless you are ready to do that. Don't start something you can't finish."

Respect. That must have taken guts to come to terms with.

Also, lol.

>small cock
>high voice
Such is life I suppose.

>mental health
>not fit
You're on a different level of retardation

>fat
>weak chin
>big nose
>poor
>shitty jaw

The only thing I can fix is my weight.

Forgot to mention
>small dick about 4 inches

>Veeky Forums will never be "Health and Fitness" again
>the sticky will never be updated or appended
>daily "first sip" threads will continue until they're replaced by something even worse

It's all moot's fault.

>extremely lucky
no, just not retarded

>father would beat me if I failed exams in school
>Would tell me I'm gonna be a failure and always be nothing
> now a adult, internalised his words and always have those words in my head regardless what I'm doing.
>know I'll always be a looser because if i try and fail somthing, the words repeating themselvs in my head get louder.

Alright, so im retarded because every girl i run into has a bf already and those that dont are either fat or toxic or both?
How is that my fault, user?

Plenty of girls with boyfriends are willing to sleep around. Most of those that do sleep around are willing to leave their current boyfriends if they find someone better. Many girls lie about having boyfriends in the first place.

Most of the attractive girls I know have been in relationships more often than not. So there will be very brief windows when these girls are actually single. The trick is to figure out how serious their relationships are. You don't want to ruin a potential marriage, but you also don't want to block yourself from ever starting a good relationship with a girl just because she has a boyfriend.

That's incorrect.

I love you bro.

From what ive noticed girls love attention and yeah, more often than not they wont admit to having a bf because then im not paying as much attention to her but they dont exactly put out or leave their bf

You are right however, only way to get laid/get a gf is to "snipe" her from some dude who cant make her happy but its really sad when you think about that this is the way it is
In a perfect world there would be girls who are single and ready to date without me having to wait for her to become single

I love myself so much I'm scared I'm going to wake up and realize it was just a dream.

>Why don't you love yourself, Veeky Forums?
I have people who do that for me.

Short version: it means to love yourself, but to hate who you are and leave it behind, and place the foundation of your love in God, letting His love guide your life.

Long version: "Life", in this context, means essentially "who you are, as a person".

"who you are, as a person", is a depraved sinner, in constant rebellion against God. is more or less correct. But read the rest of the chapter (Luke 14), and Jesus talks essentially about being prepared and building a firm foundation before jumping into anything, before coming back to the same point
>33 So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.
and clarifying it, saying
>34 “Therefore, salt is good; but if even salt has become tasteless, with what will it be seasoned?
>35 It is useless either for the soil or for the manure pile; it is thrown out.
Meaning, essentially, you can't love unless you have a source of love (ie Jesus). The "salt" ("salt of the earth", or "you") is good, but it is not everything: your love will eventually run out (your brother will try you). What do you do then?
Contrast this with 1 John 4
>19 We love because He first loved us
>20 If anyone says, “I love God,” but hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
>21 And we have this commandment from Him: Whoever loves God must love his brother as well.
And you see that in order for both of these to make sense, God's love must precede your love of yourself and others, but that you must also love yourself and others. In fact, it is only because God loves us that we can truly love anything, and only because we love God that we can fully appreciate the love we can have for others. God loved us not because we're good (we're depraved sinners) but because He freely chose us. Purely by His grace, we are filled with love.

>tfw theology studies come in handy on Veeky Forums

Well fuck off with ya

Am gay. Dont really want to.

i'm 19 now, you got any advice?

Because no one else does.

iktf ;_;
youtube.com/watch?v=BpX8E-kavmI

>Socially reclusive
>Gyno & Borderline Klinefelters
>Tinnitus
>Visual snow
>Zero will power
>Talentless

life is good, if you look at the positive instead of the negative.

because i think about myself too much
it's like i love myself but also despise myself too

How long have you had tinnitus?

I realized I'm an alcoholic once my latest gf broke up with me a week ago. Went to my first meeting, applied for military, working out daily (at home with bodyweight), landed 2 interviews so far but no job. I'm trying, but I also still live with her so yeah, that ruins any progress I'm making because I get to watch her move on so easily while I'm realizing what I fucked up yet again

2 years now, I believe.

always had self-esteem issues, have little inner-confidence.
Short (5'7"), not a big penis, my family has health issues, Don't know my future, but hoping for the best.
It's tough but I try to smile :)

what a cringy pic, self doubt is the only thing that keeps man from becoming deprecated

i'm fucked in the head and have terrible social anxiety and almost depression. the only things i like about myself is that im smart/fit/somewhat handsome and tall

I know I could be bether but always end up self-sabotaging for no good reason

Thanks buddy time to go drink the pain away

because I broke myself, and stunted my growth in highschool. My younger brother is 6ft1inch (still growing and he is 3 years young than me) and I am 5ft10

I don't know, I can't remember what love feels like

Feelings of inadequacy took root and puberty and really never stopped.

How many girls have you approached?

How many dates have you setup off tinder?

How do you explain that me, as a 5'6 asian male has 40 something lays including some fun relationships while barely trying and focusing on work/business/travel?

Maybe, just maybe, you haven't actually put in any real effort and are instead wallowing in self defeating fantasies of something holding you back when in reality, if you just weren't retarded about it you would probably not be here and be balls deep instead.

lmao what? are you actually operating on the assumption that you can't love yourself unless you're 6'1 when you're 5'10?

this maybe the most pathetic thing I've ever read and could be the reason I rage quit this board

>30, only had sex with 2 girls in my entire life
> borderline autistic and have anger and anxiety issues
> most ppl irl hate me and try to harass me daily
> feel worthless most of the time
> ironically not a manlet and have a decent looking face

Maternally reinforced feelings of self-worthlessness, a schizophrenic father whom, shortly after I turned eight, divorced my mother, became homeless, stopped taking his meds, and started drinking a lot, teachers and classmates whom preyed on my emotional instability and drove me to early drink and elementary depression, a career counselor who told me that I should set my expectations low, a brother who constantly belittled me, babysitters that used me to roleplay torturous fantasies, and officers of the law who did not see any reason to relocate me.

29 isnt as old as you make it out to be user. Its never too late to make something of yourself. We're all gonna make it.

>balding at 25
My future husband is balding at age 23 and I couldn't care less. He's the love of my life! You'll find yours, and she will love you irrespective of the hair on your head.

I do nothing but chase shitty fucking girls that reinforce the notion that women arent shit. I try to turn a hoe into a housewife, and disregard any actual "good" girl in my life because i love conflict and am extremely shallow.

I dont know how to stop myself, but im starting to get that feeling of being alone emotionally.

How is his hairline?

Are you good at it? I did that for years, racked up 100 lays, didn't really make me happy then but I'm in a decently happy relationship now.

Was at a work party last night and I played captain save a ho to this 6/10 I work with who is a huge slut. It was like midnight when I realized what the hell I was doing. Why do I fucking do this? Also, starting a no porn because holy shit I managed to get a Tinder date to touch my dick and blasted off twice in like 10 minutes.

I should be happy. I have a good job. I get paid well, I'm buying a house, I'm working towards my fitness goals and will be able to make it part of my day so there's no avoiding it.

Why aren't I happy? Because as much as I go and meet girls, have dates I get nothing. Girl I liked, moved away and stopped replying to my messages. That hurt me badly and months later I still think of her and why she just completely cut contact.

Recently I managed to chat with a fat girl and I thought I was confident in the "date". But after a few messages a couple of days after the date and suddenly no replies.

I realized how true this was when I pissed off my mother the other night and saw how heartbroken she was when I told her "it's okay if you don't care about me anymore, I stopped caring about me a long time ago too"

I didn't realize how much I hated myself and how depressed I really was until I saw how hard my mother started crying when she heard that. I guess something just died in me or something, I just don't feel anything anymore aside from hopelessness anymore. My cut has been going great though, I keep thinning out nicely and a lot of people are starting to take notice. I find myself being treated as if I matter more now by kids at my uni. Might also have something to do with my increase in confidence/fashion sense following all the fat loss.

I'm gonna get back to the gym, I hope I can find a reason to live at the bottom of my next couple squats.

You need to work on your social skills.

I started getting laid as much as I can handle a couple years after following real social dynamics and actively working on improving that area of my life.

You need to understand women better.

He's got a growing bald spot where his corn is. Like that spot where Jewish hats sit if you're Jewish? Right now it's the size of a very large fist. Hair on the front of his head is ok but he's got a really bad widows peak.

I just make sure to let him know every once in a while that I wouldn't find him any less attractive if he goes monk mode, and I wouldn't respect him any less if he gets a hair transplant. Hell, I'd even pay for it if he wanted it as a birthday gift or something, because just like he let's mae do mae, I let senpai do senpai. And I'm sure that if he got me, you can find somebody with these same qualifications, because love is mysterious, life is long, and you are a healthy young man.

Just keep your senses sharp, yeah? :)

Gf killed my self esteem. Drink everyday. Feels good.

I have autism and I don't know how to cope with it.

why dont you faggots just get married like God wants us to so you don't have to worry about finding a woman ever again

>why dont you faggots just get married like God wants us to so you don't have to worry about finding a woman ever again

I don't have any opportunities to meet attractive single women.

Also, I hate my job and I live with my parents.

thanks Christian-bro I needed this.

Pretending height doesn't matter when it does doesn't guarantee you success at all. It may make it slightly more likely, but then, it might also make you blind to the ways you're getting fucked over.

I would feel better if there were a way to change it if you worked hard enough, but even leg lengthening is kind of bullshit compared to the real thing of just being born tall.

thanks man

HEIGHT, FACE, and FRAME

ITS ALL THAT MATTERS BRO

Where do you live? I've never been to a city or town where roughly half the population wasn't girls

Not the same guy but did you read his post?

I'm actually raging and promising myself to leave this forum permanently because of shit like this.

FUCKING RESULTS MOTHERFUCKER.

Nothing guarantees results you moron, there's plenty of short guys who have amazing lives a super hot girlfriends and tall horrifically lonely loser idiots around.

HURR I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF THE WORLD WAS DIFFERENT THAN IT IS. DURRRRRRRRR

Omfg like nails on a damn chalkboard dude. Really what is the point? Operate within the reality that you are living in to the best of your ability. That means STFU and do what you can with the hand you're dealt and focus all of your energy on working towards what you want.

Later.

But for real, there's nothing about me worth loving.

I'm an asshole with a lot of cynicism and distrust. I am both narcissistic and insecure. And I'm regularly caught between paralyzing apathy, or crippling depression.

I'm too far gone to be loved by anyone, including myself

We're on the same boat bro

Beliefs are a choice. If you choose to believe you are in no way shape or form "too far gone" (for what exactly I don't know) and just dedicate yourself to actually working on these problems, reading, trying things, putting effort into accomplishing what you want, you will almost guaranteed see quite noticeable improvements. You can't compare yourself so everyone else and say you're not as good as them. Just do you and focus on improvement and progress.

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