Yugoslav Wars

If you search at the roots of the whole conflict you will see that the main puppeteer was Germany and its desire of regaining its economic lebensraum in the Balkans

>Jihadi faggots importing Saudi mercenaries
Especially the Bosniaks.

The economy of the Balkans is equivalent to that of a mid sized German city, why would Germans give a shit about that backwater?

The native Bosniaks were not Jihadi. Also the Serbs had control of the overwhelming majority of the Yugoslav military. Could you really blame the Bosniaks for taking help where they could find it?

There are cars, agricultural machines, food etc. etc. to sell them, industries to move from germany to there and pay less etc. etc. it doesn't take a genius to understand that.

Serbs fucked up. The whole federation was going to the shitter and Slovenia and Croatia, the wealthiest republics, wanted to further federalise the state along with liberalising the market. The federal government and Serbs wanted further centralisation and refused to step away from the failed project that was socialism. Meanwhile, Slobo was going full retard over the situation in Kosovo, making everyone uneasy.

With the complete failure in dealing with the economic crisis, and due to a lack of communication and cooperation between the actual republics and the federal government, Slovenia and Croatia increasingly wanted to leave Yugoslavia. The essence Serbian strategy was to attempt to use military force to intimidate them into staying, and if that fails, and it did, to go on with creating a Greater Serbia.

Basically, the plan is to incite rebellions among Croatian and Bosnian Serbs. They provoked the police and then acted as victims in order to give the international community and the rest of Yugoslavia and illusion that the Croat Nazis are back and they'll go on a genocidal spree. These minorities were also armed and trained by the federal government and had the goal of ethnically cleansing their regions of Croats and Bosniaks so that their territory can be added onto Serbia. This erupted into war and you know the rest.

The "Jihad" in Bosnia is overplayed to fit into /pol/tard delusions.

Putin's little circus in Crimea was basically a copy of Serbian 90s strategy with Ukrainians playing the evil Nazi role.

the slovenians

>good guys
Nobody

>bad guys
Everybody

hi Yeltsin

who the fuck was tito and why am i hearing so much about him all of a sudden

Most retarded thing ive ever read.

>war
>"good guys" vs "bad guys"
the absolute state of Veeky Forums

Serbs were ONLY ones who didn't want to secede. Kosovo Albanians chimped out the most.

Tito was a proper statesmen. He didn't want his country in shitty Eastern Bloc and under USSR influence. He had working market socialism.
He was based and only thing that kept Yugoslavia together, once he died everything fell apart because nationalist chimped out.
Only thing that fucked him up were IMF loans.

>be on his
>don't know about Tito

Just kys

The good: Croats
The bad: Serbs
The ugly Muslims

I just find out so funny how much clay the serbian shitskins lost in a war they started themselves lol

If you're talking right at the beginning; why would they want to secede from their Greater Serbia project? They did seek to remain insde Yugoslavia as opposed to becoming part of Croatia and Bosnia, though.

One of my unversity profesors have a theory that recently united Germany was a country with huge economical power and almost no political power so they basicaly pushed their shit in Balkans in order to show muscles.

>They did seek to remain insde Yugoslavia as opposed to becoming part of Croatia and Bosnia, though.
This project only succeeded in Bosnia & Herzegovina with the creation of Republika Srpska, which had many casualties and genocide in Srebrenica.
Serbs in Kosovo suffered the most casualties out of all Serbs in Serbia, because they were already minority there.
For example, in 2004. which was 5 years after 1999. NATO bombing there was another pogrom of Serbs from Kosovo which nobody seems to talk about.

your university profesor is full of shit

>hurr we only started massacring each other because the west sold us weapon durr

no, dipshits, its because you are white niggers, and the serbs are niggerest of you all

>working market socialism
>country stays afloat because of all the free money West is throwing at him just to spite the Soviets
>Cold War ends, no more free money, everything falls apart
>REEE EVIL CAPITALIST PIGS DESTROYED YUGOSLAVIA BY NO LONGER GIVING US FREE SHIT REEE EVIL IMF REEE

Why do you think no one cared about all the Germans who were ethnically cleansed at the end of WWII?

I was there, best day of my life, raped a serbian lolly and set some houses on fire, it was fucking lit, literally.

The Serbs were in a sense blamed because of the massive failures, both politically and militarily they sustained from the late 80's up until 1999. The political failures started with the Serbs unwillingness to accept economic and political liberalisation as well increased autonomy for the Slovene and Croat socialist republics within Yugoslavia. It's quite understandable why the Serbs and thus by extent the government in Belgrade did not want this, primarily due to the fact that Slovenia and to a lesser extent Croatia were propping up the rest of Yugoslavia economically. This culminated in the 14th extraordinary council of the league of communists of Yugoslavia in which Slovene and most Croat members stormed out of the council which marked the beginning of the end for Yugoslavia. Now with Slovenia getting out Yugoslavia in a relatively bloodless 10 day war, the "Yugoslav" government that was left was completely dominated by Serbs and they wished to achieve several political objectives, primarily to achieve a political and military objective in Croatia as to force it to allow Serb held areas independence (a relatively large portion of Croatia) and eventual merging into a Serb controlled Yugoslavia. In Bosnia their objective was to create Republika Srpska and force the central Bosnian government to capitulate under terms which would in all essence make a Bosnian state unsustainable. The secession of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia from Yugoslavia was legal both in an international legal sense and in accordance to the 1974 Yugoslav constitution (there has been some polemic regarding this but overall most reputable historians and jurists agree it was legal). However the serbs in Bosnia and Croatia chimped out and created Republika Srpska and Republika Srpska Krajina, which by all means were illegal. The serbs reasoning was that they were going to be oppressed (oddly enough in the same way they oppressed everyone else in post-Titoist Yugoslavia). 1/2

Two serb entities were created, one being the Republika Srpska Krajina in Croatia and the other being the Republika Srpska in Bosnia. On the onset of the war they had a massive advantage in terms of military equipment that was handed down from the JNA and in terms of command structure (by the 1980s most of the officers in the JNA were serbs, followed by a few Croats and relatively little Bosniaks). They however failed to force either the Bosnian or Croat government into accepting their demands and the war dragged on. The Serbs were not suited for a war of attrition against almost fanatic enemies (primarily in the case of Bosnian military which fought most of the war cornered), by 1993 the serbs deficiencies in mampower became obvious and they sustained a series of military defeats in 1994 and 1995. By July 1995 serbs lost a series of towns and land inhabited by serbs and they decided to chimp out by trying to clear the Drina valley enclaves which led to Srebrenica, they however even failed in this key operation by failing to take Goražde and by bogging themselves down in the subsequent mop up operations. By autumn 1995 RSK had fallen and Croatia achieved a complete military victory while the Bosnian army slowly but surely edged towards Banja Luka and Doboj, cities whose fall would most likely mean a complete serb political loss and thus they were forced into negotiations and the Bosnian government achieved its objective of maintaining the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Bosnian state. In short the serbs are rightfully seen as the baddies because they were so incompetent and bad at whatever they attempted (or rather they continuously underestimated the enemy and set the bar too high for themselves). Regarding the foreign muslim fighters that /pol/ likes to talk shit about, at any given time there were no more than 2000 active foreign muslim fighters in an army of 250k,at least the bosnians didn't have black neo nazis like the Croats (Arklöv)

Serbs because that level of violence against civilians is unjustifiable

this.

>Who were the good guys
Whoever won.
>and bad guys?
Whoever lost.

this
german policy had always been the genocide of serbs and the dissolution of yugoslavia

Yes, the global powers united because they wanted to participate in the huge, tremendously rich yugoslav markets.

OR Yugoslavia broke apart because you guys are niggers with an average IQ of around 90 that have a completely crippled form of national identity because turks raped you for 500 years.

Or maybe it wasn't so black and white and you should fuck off back to /pol/

Pic related, all balkan tribes inbetween nigger nations, and to no surprise the Serbs at the very bottom of the list.

You sound just like SJWs trying to tell me the West is responsible that the niggers in Africa are shooting each other every day.

>who the fuck was Tito

The absolute fucking state of Veeky Forums.

>at least the bosnians didn't have black neo nazis like the Croats (Arklöv)
why do you mean "at least"?

jackie was based

>Arklöv was arrested a short time after the fighting ceased, while walking over the bosniak border while drunk[13] and was accused of war crimes, including torturing pregnant Bosniak prisoners in concentration camps in Gabela camp, Dretelj camp[14] and Grabovina. The crimes were severe and he had, among other things, forced a woman to say "Allah akbar" before shoving his rifle into her mouth, whipped prisoners with a Waffen-SS belt, abused and tortured pregnant girls, as well as having beaten young men and broken their arms and legs.[15] Prisoners in the camps called Arklöv "the black devil" because of his black fascist uniform and skin-colour. When civilians were forced under torture to humiliate themselves by Arklöv but didn't obey him, other guards would step in and tell the victims to "do as he says, or he'll kill you, he is totally insane" and laugh.[16] Arklöv was seen talking to camp commander Bosko Previsic (known as "Boko") before and after tortures. Some inmates was forced to hold their fingers apart or stick their tongues out while on the ground in a shed and then get hit with metal objects so hard that the skin between their fingers and their tongues would split.[17]Arklöv wrote in his diary that joining the croatian militia was a fulfillment to his "fascist dream" and that killing muslims was "almost as good as an orgasm", he also stated that he used to listen to extreme metal while in combat zones[18]
top kek

>threatened a pregnant Bosniak with a bayonet
>told her to say Allahu Akbar
>sliced her up afterwards
>fastforward to modern day
>turned gay and fell in love with his guard in a Swedish prison

Absolutely based.

SWEDEN NO

reads like the biography of your basic balkan immigrant

How far down would one have to scroll to find your IQ listed?
Don't spew retarded stuff, read up on the background behind the breakup of Yugoslavia and the following wars.

One thing I don't understand from this thread, are Serbs the bad guys because they lost or are they bad guys because they commited the most war crimes? Some people need to make up their minds.
Btw, Croats got away with purging 200k Serb civilians on tractors, I'd call that an accomplishment.

The Serbs purged themselves. The rebel Serbs thought they could get Sloba to help them if they leave with a huge line of refugees. They literally trained and scared the populace to go along with it.

>The Serbs purged themselves.
So you're telling me Croats dindu nuffin in 1995? Houses got burned and looted themselves?

>market socialism
>money is socialism
>debt is socialism
>profit is socialism
Tito is the worst meme to come out of leftypol right behind nazbol gang

According to the international court for war crimes in Yugoslavia, yes. Operation Storm and its enactors literally did not do anything wrong. Cry about it.

1. Serbs started the political crisis with their "beaurocratic revolution" that was really just a failed attempt to turn Yugoslavia into a serbian-controlled state
2. Serbs were the ones who turned the political crisis into a violent conflict by picking up the arms against Croatia.
3. Serbs commited the most and most hideous crimes

t. Ante

Not that guy, but actually named Ante. Why is that the stereotypical name for a Croat like Muhamed for Muslims?

>money doesn't exist in socialism
Look at this retard, just look at him.

I dont know, every Croat to me is Ante, like every Albo is Azem, or Russian Ivan etc...

>According to the international court for war crimes in Yugoslavia
So Šešelj did nothing wrong then?
Also, Milošević was cleared of a lot of charges. This doesn't mean both of these people dindu nuffin, stop falling for The Hague meme.
t. Ante Gotovina

>it's been 23 years
>Serbs are still in denial
This is some Nanking rape denial tier shit.

>money, which is the expression of exchange value, existing in the system that seeks to abolish it
It's really easy to spot the brainlets who try to give their leftist political takes without having read Marx, and I'm not even a lefty

>can't tell the difference between socialism and communism

>didn't read Marx
>shits on people for not reading Marx
Marx never advocated for the elimination of money and private property in the sense that modern brainlets like you take it.

Richard Lynn couldn't have collected all the research on IQ with an every country so he did a few countries and try to correlate them with Pisa scores and every other country that he didn't test people in he just use the average Pisa score and correlated it with IQ.

now the problem with this is it's not accurate there isn't that much of a strong correlation with Pisa scores and intelligence the correlation is very slight,but if you were to try to do with the University of Chicago did and invent a IQ test that searches for genes related to brain growth you would find that there is a strong correlation between genes related to brain growth and IQ.

I would also imagine that there's a large margin of error within Pisa scores in the Balkans considering the high gypsy population and the agrarian society allow this country still have there's a lot of farmers in Serbia and I know that Greece and Macedonia is famous for its yogurt and other dairy products.

If this was too much for you to read the short version is just cross reference studies related to IQ with other studies especially if they talk about demographics.

That's bullshit, Lynn used actual IQ data, not PISA results. And why are you posting his oldest work, his latest work was in the paper "Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations." (2009)
Pic related.

Data source here:
rlynn.co.uk/index.php?page=intelligence-and-the-wealth

>socialism can't survive with capitalism

really makes you think

>all the free money West is throwing at him
You got any source for that? Yugoslavia even straight up refused taking part in the Marshall plan precisely because it aspired for self-sufficiency.

Serbs are legit subhumans

So opinions can be objectively retarded.

>Socialism
>seeking to abolish capitalism

I thought /hst/ was for intelligent people.

serbs - good
usa/britain -- bad
rest of the balkan tribes - ugly

t. fairy-tale historian

Watch those edges kid.

thanks, pretty accurate

Actually it's not accurate at all.
Everything that Serbs warned about and were afraid of in Croatia happened,
They were killed and driven out of their homes by the hundreds of thousands and the events are celebrated today with Ustashe flags and insignias in events organized by the Croatian government

you obviously don't know anything about srebrenica outside of old cnn parrot talk

Clearly I know more than you.

I know Dutch soldiers sat back and did nothing to stop it. I know SVR troops surrounded the town and commited an orgy of rapes and mass killings, including children. I know Serbs are still butthurt about being called out on it and refuse the term "genocide", just like T*rks do.

What am I missing?

The Croatian extremists were punished, just like the Serbs. Yes, it was complicated, there were no good guys, except NATO*

* Waiting for Russiaboo butthurt in 3, 2, 1...

ZBOG ANICE I BOKALA VINA
ZAPALIT ĆU KRAJINU DO KNINA

omg, this is like /b/ not Veeky Forums this place has gone to shit

Nice bait.

Not an argument

>akschually we WUZ innocent and shiet. Those Nazi ustashas were holding us down with their chess boards and shiet

Accurate.

Croats and Bosniaks weren't even clashing until Serbs rocked the boat.

>MUH NAZIS, ANOTHER SHOAH
I really hope that the Serbs will grow out of this bullshit denial and victim mentality soon.

Considering they genuinely believe they are a lost tribe of Israelites that seems unlikely.