Plastic

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Dubs confirms

Here is over a years worth of b12 for 6 dollars, what are you even trying to say?

amazon.com/Now-Foods-B-12-2000mcg-100-Count/dp/B001QNPWGM

>Vegans had higher testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat-eaters, but this was offset by higher sex hormone binding globulin
>but this was offset
>but

>Needs to supplement his diet
defection detected

The only ones who should be worried about xenoestrogens are those who have naturally low test and depend on exterior sources to keep their hormonal balance

I would rather take a b12 and vitamin d tablet than not be able to get my dick up because my blood vessels are fucked with plaque

and there were no differences between diet groups in free testosterone, androstanediol glucuronide or luteinizing hormone
so you fuck your health up with all of the animal products and don't even have higher T?

>top kek

You're forced to supplement and still risk limpy dick.
I am free to choose and can easily avoid limpy dick.
I win :D

>you fuck your health up
nah :D

You didn't even comprehend what I said
A plant based diet can prevent heart disease and one of the first signs of heart disease is erectile dysfunction (fun fact Viagra was originally designed as a heart disease medication), build of of plaque in the blood vessels from saturated fat and cholesterol intake causes this along with inflammation (also caused by meat). This plaque restricts blood flow and causes ED. I was saying I would rather eat a plant based diet and not get ED, and subsequently take a b12 and d3 pill than eat your shitty meat diet and get ED and subsequently heart disease

>the worst thing in terms of heart disease is transfats
>transfats are vegan
:D

What stops you from taking an anti-estrogen like Aromasin?

I'm not an obese 50 year old black man so I don't give a fuck about heart disease

Lack of necessity

Yea it's just the number one cause of death in america, nothing to worry about at all.
trans fats are naturally found in animal products such as butter
hydrogenated oil are also awful for you as well as oils in general
this don't stop the fact that the saturated fat and cholesterol and transfats in animal products are causing heart disease and subsequently ED

>trans fats are naturally found in animal products such as butter
source on that
>hydrogenated oil are also awful for you as well as oils in general
Yes those naughty avocados
>this don't stop the fact that the saturated fat and cholesterol and transfats in animal products are causing heart disease and subsequently ED
News just in, cyanide from any source is poisonous. Vegans blame meat.

You have to be trolling, I refuse to believe someone could be this fucking dense.
>source on that
lmgtfy.com/?q=butter nutrition

the rest of your post is just as insightful as a random clustering of words

>hydrogenated oil are also awful for you
All of these are vegan

>trans fats
are vegan

>vegans derail and ruin yet another thread

When are mods going to start banning these faggots?

Butter has trans fats and is not vegan, I am not arguing that anything vegan is healthy, I am arguing that whole plant wholes are healthy

I am so sorry for giving life saving advice to you meat cucks

Mixing vegan ingredients into an animal product doesn't make the ingredients less vegan. Real butter doesn't have it.
>whole plant wholes are healthy
Here's a belladonna berry salad with apple seed dressing. Enjoy :3

You fags could at least just make a vegan general to keep your "advice" contained, instead of ruining and derailing threads.

this is why I just drink out of glass. Fuck plastic

Thread i was just browsing has the answers you seek, although i warn you user, there are many answers.

pastebin.com/sTWNtf7i

With regards to the meats vs. veggies side discussion, I've looked into heart disease a bit and right now the honest-to-God answer is that they haven't figured out exactly how fats play into heart disease. They've found:
>Those with higher cholesterol have a higher risk of heart disease.
>Using statins to lower your cholesterol reduces your risk of heart disease.
>Altering your diet to reduce cholesterol DOES NOT reduce your risk of heart disease.
So the trillion dollar question is, "How the fuck can I prevent a heart attack??"

1) If you're worried about it or have a history, badger your doctor into giving you cholesterol medication
2) My next research will be into the Mediterranean diet. I haven't looked into it much but as far as "diets" go, this one is the real deal (it isn't some bullshit you do for 3 months, it's an actual, lifelong diet) and it sounds like it might reduce risk of heart disease, although I haven't looked for an intervention study yet.

(an intervention study is where they take a bunch of people with high risk for heart disease, make a change in half of them, and then compare those to the control group to see if the risk was earnestly reduced. This is very important with heart disease because we have seen that it's more than merely having low cholesterol that affects risk)

P.S. I picked the gayest heart image I could find to appease you, dear Veeky Forums

Heart disease risk has nothing to do with diet or activity but with body fat levels

>Heart disease risk has nothing to do with activity

But that's wrong breh.

Yea because you meat fags have never derailed a vegan thread with your meat cuck nonsense

Sedentary 300 lb fatty who eats 4000 kcals a day = active 300 lb fatty who eats 6000 kcal a day

You think that taking statins to lower cholesterol is better than lowering it with diet? HAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

why don't you just jerk off the

Obesity definitely raises risk but you can still be high risk while skinny. My dad was 42 when he died from a heart attack and I believe he was beginner-mode... possibly skinnyfat, but he had weights at home so I think he had a bit of muscle-- he was nowhere near obese.

IIRC, your heart disease risk doesn't really start rising significantly until your body gets past subcutaneous fat at which point it begins to skyrocket. That is, your fat doesn't hurt you much until it starts accumulating in the midsection and around your organs.

The strongest predictor is cholesterol, which is why so many people have made such a big deal about lowering cholesterol. But as I said before, lowering cholesterol does not lower risk, so we're left wondering why the correlation exists and what we can do that is truly effective.

I think he might be right about that in the sense that the benefits of cardio exercise will quickly plateau... e.g. one hour of cardio a week might be as good as ten.

t. "natural medicine" fag.

Once you grow out of your edgy anti-consumerism phase, try reading some scientific studies.

drugs.com/sfx/simvastatin-side-effects.html

It's ironic because "Heart Healthy" is a HUGE marketing tool. Pic related, notice the shape of the bowl?

It's heart healthy because it is high in fiber which lowers cholesterol
It doesn't have saturated fat which increases cholesterol

>posts vegan gainz
>oh look soy has 0 estrogen effects and all meat will cause manboobs

this isnt biased at all.

Did you even watch the video? He says it soy does cause estrogen effects when you eat a lot of it.

>15 servings a day to have any effect

It's called cherrypicking and controlled opposition you rudimentary fuck.

>
I wouldn't eat more than 3 servings a day to be honest because of the cancer risk

WOAH SIDE EFFECTS? FOR A DRUG THAT COULD LITERALLY GIVE ME FIVE EXTRA YEARS TO LIVE??? UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

If you weren't a mouth-breathing troglodyte you'd understand that the list you linked includes every side effect ever reported in any of the 58 studies they've cited. The list is so exhaustive as to be useless--
>Very rare (less than 0.01%): Protein-losing enteropathy
>Frequency not reported: Anorexia, pancreatitis, vomiting
But yeah, focus on all those "frequency not reported" side-effects over
>The Scandinavian Simvastatin Survival Study (4S) demonstrated a 30% reduction in total mortality in patients followed for a median of 5.4 years and a 42% decrease in death from coronary heart disease compared to placebo.
>30% reduction in total mortality in patients followed for a median of 5.4 years
>30% reduction in total mortality in patients followed for a median of 5.4 years

"Idk I could have a 30% chance of living for 5 extra years, but there's an unquantifiable chance that I'll vomit from this drug... Damn corps are always trying to get me!"

but you can get all of those benefits and more by eating healthier with the only side effects being benifits, how do you not get this through your thick fucking skull

Look you fucking nematode, eating healthier reduces your RISK FACTORS, but DOES NOT REDUCE YOUR CHANCE OF DYING from heart disease.

If I have high cholesterol and I change my diet such that my cholesterol is lowered, then I'll have less "risk" for heart disease, based on the studies that show a correlation between cholesterol and heart disease.

HOWEVER, when you take a group of people with high cholesterol, and you change their diets such that all of them lower their cholesterol, studies find that THEY ARE JUST AS LIKELY TO DIE FROM HEART DISEASE AS THEY WERE BEFORE. The "reduced risk" DOES NOT APPEAR.

How many times do I have to explain this to you fucking inbred morons?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27547428
>Mean serum cholesterol levels decreased in all intervention groups and all but one control group. The reductions in mean serum cholesterol levels were significantly greater in the intervention groups; this did not result in significant differences in CHD or all-cause mortality.

You can change your diet to lower your cholesterol but YOU WILL NOT LIVE LONGER.

Well getting a heart attack doesn't require you to be high risk/have high cholesterol. There is a big part of it from genetics and other bad habits.

And I meant that you will lower your ldl only by losing weight, being fat and excercising wont burn it off. I used to have blood ldl levels way over acceptable when I was fat, even though I was moderately active and didnt eat many eggs or animal fats because of the cholesterol meme. Only by losing several kilograms did they go on normal levels no matter how many eggs and meat I eat nowadays

dresselstyn.com/site/articles-studies/

dairy comes in a plastic carton tho

only if you live in a shit country

>using ve9an 9ains as a source and no one complains

Veeky Forums is dead

>I picked the gayest heart image I could find to appease you, dear Veeky Forums

Not gay enough. This is /fit, matey

you have less free T as a vegan, because a vegan diet increases SHBG

how can butter have trans-fats?? I thought only margarine and other artifical products that undergo partial hydrogenation do

pretty solid but also a load of pseudo scientific bullshit in that.

do you even /raypeat/?