Why didn't fascism succeed in Britain?

>Utilizing dictatorships and running concentration camps even after WW2 isn't beyond them.
>Concentration camps are defining factor of fascism

And what concentration camps did Brits operated? I hope you don't mean POW camps, that would be quite dumb.

>fascism is pro-freedom and pro-individualist
I laff

>Fascism is pro-freedom and pro-individualist
Holy shit is this a real post?
The absolute state of Veeky Forums

This would be quite a good post if it had more paragraphs and full stops.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mau_Mau_Uprising
You'd probably find a nicer word for those.

PRO-FREEDOM FASCISM
ANARCHO-FASCISM CONFIRMED

read something about it you niggers, real freedom can only be achieved in the totalitarian state. Nation never opresses its own people.
To individualism, individual can only show his true potantial in the collective.

>the nation never opresses it's own people
>collectivism can be achieved through individualism
WHOA...so this is the power of anarcho-fascism...

I'll bite

define "own people"

Sorry, i tend to ramble.

Another Problem Mosley has was image, contrary to popular belief, Britain's disdain for Mosley's fascism was also partially fueled by a distaste for foreign elements, and i cite this article in the Daily Mail as my proof:
archive.spectator.co.uk/article/19th-january-1934/6/lord-rothermeres-hurrah-for-the-blackshirts-articl

The article starts by defending fascism with "Because fascism comes from Italy...",, which i think is an important quote, because it shows that some British people were turned off by Mosley, as he had picked up his ideas in Italy, where before he had been a bit of a political pinball.

Mosley's ideas were also rather incompatible with what the general public would feel at the time, Mosley wanted "Europe a nation", but the British Identity is very much fixed in the idea that the contienent of Europe was something to be avoided, after all, we had avoided invasion for hundreds of years after establishing our navy (Not counting "invasions" such as the glorious revolution, why try and gain a border in some other country on the easily invadable mainland? If we're to assume Mosley intended a peaceful unification of Europe, then Britain would clearly have to concede on Certain points (total free trade between countries as we know them, certainly implied in the sentiment of "Europe a nation" would almost certainly murder the Dominions economies, and in addition to convincing multiple heads of very powerful countries to unify, he would also have to convince the angry indian and african populations, whilst giving up Britain's advantages gained from those dominions and colonies(exclusive rights to the resources within them) ).

individualism is opposite of individual freedom, in individualist society individual gets opressed by the Jews or Germans
Nation wont opress its nationals

Mosley's political ideas for Britain (The weakening of the House of Commons and the Replacement of the house of lords with an empowered "House of industrialists" to put it into simpler terms) were rather silly, Mosley's criticism's of the Commons (that it was too factionalist) is quickly undercut by simply looking at election results, and a basic understanding of the British political system, in which MP's are more tools for their party than representatives of their home constituency, the results of General elections were between the liberal and conservative party, and the liberals were being replaced by the labout party as the front of the left wing, Compared to say, Weimar Germany's political rainbow, the British political system was very very unified.

Funny, I've never felt oppressed in individualist society.
Seriously, what in the ever loving fuck are you talking about?

>I've never seen anyone dying so death doesnt exist

>Fascism is pro-freedom and pro-individualist
This is actually what people believe. The fucking state of this website.

Authoritarian ideologies only succeed in places where democracy failed.

It was a shitty puppet of Hitlers at a time when everyone hated him

i'm not sure, the BUF had massive support but most of the populace was too comfortable to care
that being said i agree with everything Ossie said

>Fascism is pro-freedom and pro-individualist
LOL

>Nation never oppresses its own people
Before you define 'own people' as the most niche fantasy racial demographic remember that in real life you would be sent to the gallows and for standard fascism race was insignificant and the focus was on the state which would include pretty much everyone. Having said that what is:
>What is the Gestapo
>What is OVRA
>What is the Holocaust
>What is Aktion T4
You are delusional if you actually think that under a fascist regime you would be free.

I keep on coming back to this post and laffing, unironically the funniest thing I have read here ever

"Massive support"
That's a nice statement you have there. Care to... cite it?

>why didn't a relatively well-off and stable - politically and economically - nation/empire buy into a fringe ideology that capitalizes on unrest and seeks to undo a status quo

democracy and authoritarian ideologies are synonymes
>Hitlerism is fascism

Apples to oranges

>Nazism isn't a sub ideology of Fascism
What the fuck are you talking about m8. Literally the same level as the people who go 'X wasn't true communism'.

Fascism has only succeeded when life is really shitty and there's an immediate communist threat

fascism is a wing of social democracy amirit XDDDDDD

There is nothing sadder than fashylarpers trying to sell people on fascism using a liberal framework

>look at this black guy in an SS uni, nazis were tolerant!

>BUF had massive support but most of the populace was too comfortable to care
So they had massive support or not?

huh, sure you want a source from JEWpedia?

>Heh your points about fascism are void because you critiqued them from a liberal perspective, if you look at fascism through the eyes of a fascist its pretty great
1. One can never be independent of an ideology as it is a lens in which we see the world through ergo if we follow that principle then we can't critique anything as it is impossible to be objective making all criticism void, the classic post-modern argument which will inevitably lead to just unruly subjectivity making everything you are posting pointless
2. all this discussion stems from who states 'Fascism is pro-freedom and pro-individualist' whilst directly responding to and who both are using liberal framework, implying that he himself is using that liberal framework which if he is means he is objectively wrong as Fascism is in essence anti-liberalism, and if he is not his post is even more retarded because he just moved the goalposts
3. OP is talking about Fascism in Britain, a liberal country, therefore using a liberal perspective is essential in explaining why Fascism failed in Bongland
Wew no wonder Europa """fell""" to """sub humans""" when its being defended by these fine members of the master race.

The GIANT issue with that is Japan has traditional had a very high literacy rate since the 13th century. It only got kicked out of the top 5 most literate nations in the after Europe ended its wars of Religion and the mainland protestants states could invest in public education. Many of those mainland protestants state ended up as part of the German Empire...

The idea that Japan or Germany were not traditional high literacy societies is just shocking.

Sorry lad ment for

Because of the country's tradition of parliamentarism.
Also because it was not on the losing side of WWI.

50,000 isn't massive support in a country as large as Britain, and that's not even considering how the rest of the Empire would react to such a fucking moron gaining power.

>Germans and the Japanese, while far-advanced in literate and analytic technology, retained the core of auditory tribal unity and total togetherness.

Also Japan doesn't use a phonetic alphabet

What would the british be?

italian fascism should have at least "national syndicalism", or something to emphasize its pro-business element.

Halal sources:
historytoday.com/daniel-tilles/myth-cable-street
thejc.com/lifestyle/features/why-victory-at-cable-street-really-belonged-to-mosley-s-fascists-1.28114

Unfortunately the first article is hidden behind a paywall, but the most relevant detail is preserved in the second.
>The BUF had fallen into steep decline since the peak of its popularity in mid-1934.
>The media, under government pressure, now tended to report on fascist activity only when disorder occurred.

The BUF was 'in decline' because the state was trying to strangle it, and was failing because of the clucking of the communists and their supine fellow travelers.

Haram source:
oswaldmosley.com/battle-of-cable-street/

On the 1937 election, after the 'battle of Cable Street':
>The ‘Observer’ newspaper commented (7/3/1937): ‘the size of their vote was a surprise even to those in touch with the East end’.
>The ‘Guardian’ (5/3/1937) called it ‘a surprising indication of strength’.
>Even the communist ‘Daily Worker’ (5/3/1937) admitted: ‘a disturbing feature is the large number of votes they recorded’.
>In the November 1937 Borough Elections British Union candidates moved up into second place in Limehouse putting a Tory/Liberal coalition bottom of the poll.
>‘Daily Worker’ noted (3/11/1937) : ‘For the whole of Stepney the fascist vote was 19%, an overall increase’.

Feel free to nitpick. 'It's only one area!' Known at the time as a minority area. '>19%>huge support.' Yeah, you're right, one fifth still leaves four.

>falangism
>racialism
Really? I though they didn't give a fuck about race. Can someone explain why they were called like that?

taking a guess but perhaps the falangists thought of "iberian" as their race and any differences in language and culture (which were quite great) should be ignored in favor of a panhispanic racial identity that mythologically could be traced to the romans or celts or visigoths. Then again I could be wrong as I don't ever recall racialism being a thing in falangism

It was a light form of it when compared to nazism. Later on, they started really playing up their visigothic heritage to win favor with Hitler and his aryanism, but it was originally a belief in Spanish identity being important as a mixture

>19%
Not as bad as I thought

Because fascism is revanchist and we had no reason to be revanchist at that time.

But it did. You're living in a crypto-Fascist Anglo dream, my dude.

Falangism is not racist. Spaniards never give a shit about race. We are a conglomerate of europeans and north africans.

>the English are a freedom loving people
GET A LIFE, BIN THAT KNIFE

Fascism was built around romanticism, which was in contrast to the British Enlightenment.

19% of household owners in the most stereotypically working class part of London.
Would have been higher if young folk had been allowed to vote in '37.
Those selfsame young lads were later sent off by a certain worthless, corpulent pig of a failed soldier to die for his debts.

The 'English', a mash of Welsh, Irish, Scots and English, are a nation of whinging cunts who have Bob Marley posters, tacky statues of Indians and all listen to Billy Fagg.
'Muh NHS!' they shriek as the government bans another pointed object, to the hysterical applause of bingo-winged middle aged women muttering 'abart bluddy taehm', while mincing uni poofs and their clinically obese mistresses roll their eyes and snark because the ban didn't go far enough.
England will not be free until Charlie Brooker is butchered, dressed and eaten.

Liberal values are core to the Anglo identity in a way they simply aren't for Germans or even the French.

Too weak to accept it

>real freedom can only be achieved in the totalitarian state
Holy shit, it's literally 1984. Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, war is peace.

Political violence alienated their middle-class voter base, in which they had notable amounts of support before that.
t. Paxton

>Liberal values are core to the Anglo identity

According to David Starkey and the BBC.
Liberal values are core to the 'British' middle class identity. For the rest of us it's pie and pogroms.

Englishmen are the most docile race known to man. Too tame for their own good.

>today, as electricity creates conditions of extreme interdependence on a global scale, we move swiftly again into an auditory world of simultaneous events and over-all awareness
Was this written in the early 20th century? What is this word salad? It certainly predates the internet, since that has fortified text as the main medium of communication for the foreseeable future.

>Germans and the Japanese, while far-advanced in literate and analytic technology, retained the core of auditory tribal unity and total togetherness.
What the fuck does that even mean?

>What the fuck does that even mean?
I think he means to say that Japan and Germany had less individualistic societies.

He's saying it in the most wrong way possible though.
Germany at least is one of the more tribal and less united cultures in Europe. Their conception of ethnic belonging has such a strong racial component exactly because their realms were so different culturally, politically and linguistically (Standard German was conceived as the Koine language of the German dialect continuum and was learned like a foreign language throughout much of Germany).

If he thinks Germany and Japan are similar then he's outed himself as an ignoramus. Both societies look vaguely similar to an outside observer, but are radically different on the inside. German civilization is autistic in the literal sense (sincere, fact oriented, rule obsessed, orderly, elitist), whereas Japanese civilization is mental illness made social custom (co-dependent, anxious, depressed, compulsive).

The first part of your post is good, the 2nd is weak memery.
>autistic in the literal sense
icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/F01-F99/F80-F89/F84-/F84.0
Here's autistic in the literal sense.
Just as in football, knowing a few related terms doesn't make you an expert.

The second part is half joking, but essentially true. People think both Germans and Japanese are orderly and group minded, but only Germans actually care about order and only Japanese actually care about the group as such.

Where did you gather your stereotypes?

Every single person who makes “define X” posts must be tortured to death

The false ones in the real world, the true ones in a book about comparative anthropology.

>news are global and reported with speed in every corner of the world
>Germany and Nipdom retained group cohesion instead of becoming individualised
user, the text is very simple. It's your reading comprehension that's lacking.

English arnt as autistic as Germans

The Jews didn't try to bring communist revolution to England after the Belfour proclamation came down
an Imperialist state is just a fascist state with older traditions.
The Jews didn't make themselves obvious scapegoats
The Anglo was so intertwined with the Jew that fascism was too foreign to their sensibilities. Nazism especially.

It might have had slightly more success if Hitler hadn't sperged out all over Europe.

>Japan doesnt care about order
>they have public apologies if trains are 10 seconds late

England is literally the oldest, wisest country on Earth. It's the metaphorical old man in the corner of the pub who has done everything, and was the first to do so.

It has seen the likes of Mosley before, and still didn't like it.

Because we have a sense of humour. It's easy enough to still be a fascist when people hate you, but next to impossible when people laugh at you.

I know it's a bit of a meme, but the British really do have a more developed sense of humour than the continentals. The only way you could get large numbers of us marching in jackboots under torchlight would be if we were doing it ironically.

Because Mosley was too much of an Eternal Anglo

....

They look very queer

Very English you mean

I usually think about brits as manly but bantery and well collectes
That is i used to before knowing about chavs

Britain wasn't economically as bad off as Germany and Britain still had her glory and colonies after WWI.

Obviously they considered their colonies and former colonies as racially inferior.

That's why they said Corporatism.

>Fascism is pro-freedom and pro-individualist

Jose Antonio - Even in death he drew dimes by selling out stadiums of 55k people.
Mussolini - An OG but could never draw dimes by himself. Was always outdrawn by his more over contemporaries, basically the Undercarder of fascism.
Codreanu - Revolutionary gimmick and one of a kind. Had so much charisma he got babyface pops even with his terrorist shtick.
Hitler - The GOAT heel, still draws nuclear heat after his retirement.
Mosley - Performed in bingo halls for his entire life, could never draw big crowds, is only popular because he's the only anglo fascist.
Degrelle - Good promo, solid enough ring work to win the Iron Cross. Still a heat magnet with the French and Belgians.

They are already a monarchy where the king/queen is the head of their religion chosen by God

Fascim wouldn't have changed much

This is why Veeky Forums will always be a cretin hive. Intellectually dishonest niggers lying just to lie.

I wanted to enjoy this thread but it's been a while since I've been on Veeky Forums so I forgot this board is full of pseudo-marxists who don't actually know anything about history.

I can get about 2-3 threads before the head in the sand intellectual dishonesty is too much. The fox is already in the hen house.

Shouldn't have taken name from and aped the style of edgy continental retards.

>Fascism is pro-freedom and pro-individualist
Lol no. Maybe that's what Mosley believed (still I doubt), but Mussolini clearly stated that democracy an individualism are obsolete ideas from 19th century and that collectivistis fascism was going to dominate the 20th century.

>read something about it you niggers, real freedom can only be achieved in the totalitarian state. Nation never opresses its own people.
Yeah, my parents have been eating retarded demagoguery like this their whole lives in the Soviet Union. kys

Correction, the COUNTRY contains 4 seperate NATIONS. Let's get the terms right.

ethno-cultural shared background