/PEDG/

Performance Enhancing Drugs General
>because we're afraid to inject test

For discussion of all performance enhancing drugs. Please keep steroid talk to /fraud/, this is more for discussion of things like SARMs, peptides, mk-677, cardarine, etc.

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they put it in a tub now? it came in a baggy when i got it

yeah man that's how it shipped to me.

oh nice

What's the deal with peptides? I've got experience with sarms. It is there a big difference with effects of peptides? Looking for user experiences.

So is MK-677 illegal in the US? If not, where can I buy it from?

its legal

Not illegal to buy or possess, but illegal to ingest.

not sure myself,, never done them. I would like another user to answer this as well.

Great. So I'm seeing $200 for 750 mg, that seems high. Is this the going rate?

all i need.
Steroids are for Globalists.

fuck no

i got a gram for 60 dollars

irc. bio

maybe if you get buff enough with drugs a woman will finally love you

yeah I use the same source as I would recommend them if they deliver to your country.

maybe you should fuck off back to where you came from

tahts now why we do this

>maybe if I get buff enough with drugs I'll finally love myself

already got a gf who loves me like crazy

I might go the make my own solution route myself seems to be a good bit cheaper.

damn thanks.

So here is a comprehensive guide (sources, etc.) of MK-677.

isarms.com/forums/steroids-sarms-information/what-mk-677-depth-article-dylan-gemelli-1358.html

Does anyone have any anecdotal stories for this? Side effects, how long and how much to use, etc.?

Thanks!

you have loving gf?

i just buy powder, weigh it and put it in orange juice

i dont want one i have too much shit going on

You weigh micro grams out at time? Man that seems like a pain.

Do these actually work? And what would be the best for recovery of a young athlete

miligrams but yeah its not much

the scooper it comes with does a pretty good job of measures about 40mg though

Why do sarms over roids?
Not being a smart ass i just dont see why

yeah man especially for lgd. $40 for 300mg solution or $50 for 1000mg powder. come on.

I've been taking it for 2 months. Only side effects I've had are insane hunger, lethargy, and slight tingling in my extremities (pretty infrequent). I take 25mg every night right before bed.

I love it. I sleep better, my body has changed shape for the better, and my skin is a little tighter all while eating a slight surplus. Would recommend to anyone.

cant do it too young

Peptides are for all intents and purposes a cheaper, more labor intensive way to get higher HGH levels.

There are more exotic compounds that do more focused things, but you get these two types, and stack them, and then add another one that makes your tissues more sensitive to HGH.

The catch is you have to inject this cocktail of three drugs (that can't be pre-mized) multiple times per day and you have to time it around your meals and shit.

So it's a PITA, but it's a semi-legal, WAAAY cheaper way to get the benefits of HGH.

Like I said there are others like ones that raise your libido so you're like a porn star, make you tan to a darkness you could never get to naturally, and shit like that, but the main ones are for HGH.

BTW this sounds like some magic shit but it's true.

How has everyone's experience with ostarine been? Getting it tomorrow and I'm pretty psyched to try it. Gonna go 15mg for 6 weeks. What kind of results should I expect from it lbs wise? Currently bulking

So why not a solution? Seems so much easier.

yo so the last thread + my own research has convinced me to order some MK-677. i've been completely 100% >natty since i started lifting, any other shit i should consider?

roids need not apply

Just one warning

NEVER BUY FROM SARMX! They hire paid shills to push their overpriced products. Very shady company. Dylan G. Is one of their shills

Ostarine, maybe LGD too if you want serious gains.

What are your goals?
age, weight, time spent lifting?

Exactly this. Their products are all overpriced and they also try to sell you loads of needless support products.

19y/o, 5'10 140lb, lifting since february of last year. was sick and in/out of hospital the last couple months, lost pretty much all of my gainz, skelly-mode recovering right now. just wanting to not look like i got back from an extended field trip to a concentration camp

what are the benefits/effects of ostarine and LGD?

What have the gains been like?

What are some reasonable expectations to expect from an ostarine cycle? Someone in the other thread said around 1.5lbs of lbm a week, is that true?

The tanning one sounds good, but fuck injecting myself 3 times a day! That's ridiculous, I'd rather just spray tan.

Thanks for the input mate!

To be fair, you can do it once a day at bedtime and get some benefits.

I did it three times a day and it was also exhausting because it lowers your blood sugar.

People say when you do it just at bedtime that you sleep AMAZING.

lgd is great for a bulk, but honestly at your age, I wouldn't recommend you take anything that messes with your natural test production.

not a huge difference, body keeps looking better though and I'm eating at a surplus.

What's the injection location? I've only ever had to inject myself with medicine in my belly.

MK-677 should be fine though, no? my GP has recommended considering temporary HGH due to illness fucking w/ natural production, but i would have had to pay out of pocket for it. MK-677 seems like a much better alternative

Too young and not enough uninterrupted training in my opinion. But each to their own.

Anywhere. Sub-q is fine. i did shoulders. it's water based and tiny amounts so it's an insulin needle.

yeah mk would be fine. HGH is so expensive I would either do mk, or peptides if I were you.

thanks man, appreciate the help

Someone said last thread, "5 days on, 2 days off." Do you take MK-677 every day?
Thanks for helping out man

Been taking ostarine 10mg for 3 weeks and getting good results. It feels like getting noob gains again.

One really nice side effect is better skin. No increase in acne and skin is smoother then ever.

does MK-677 make you shit? lots of youtube videos say it does

Yeah that was me. That's what I've been doing and I've had positive results with it, but the more research I do, the more I'm starting to think I got memed into that with broscience. In all the studies available doses were administered every day, so it seems like that's the way to go.

sure thing bro. keep us posted on your results. sorry to hear about you going into the hospital btw, what did you have?

Ran 2 cycles of PEG MGF
Used IM into my quads. God tier for recovery and growth. No sides/risk of suppression. Gyno can happen only if you're injecting test at the same time

so you put on a good amount of size on this stuff? I'm reading about it now, but tell us about your cycles.

Heres some knowledge that il drop for you all.

Theres a reason things like Anabolic steroids (test,tren,etc) as well as gh and insulin have been and still are the favoured drugs of choice bodybuilders around the world.

these new "legal" alternatives are nothing but a ruse by supplement companies to make a quick buck.

If it works its illegal, its as simple as that.
If your going to use drugs use the ones that work and work well, theres no point piss farting around and buying junk that might give you an extra 5% gains.

Bite the bullet, suck it up, use the drugs that work and get the results you want.

>those quads tho
sarms have worked well for me, and I'm not interested in steroids right now. thanks though.

Will your organs grow on MK 677 ?
Do you generally feel better on MK 677? Mood, motivation and such things
I'm 23 and I've been lifting for 2 years on and off.

Also, will my gains vanish after I stop using like on test ?

Please bros, do a good research before doing this shit, i have only read mixed results about this crap, and overall they are not even that good, most people don't even post pics or get this "awesome results" because they are being sold PH instead of SARMS, so its easy to get scammed.

And people who are pro-sarms usually backup their claims about these products using researches that the same companies or labs that makes them, so its not even fair, they can be only interested in selling their stuff.

In my opinion, is not even worth it, some of the SARMS don't even have proper studies with animals yet alone humans.

And the safer ones like MK667 or LGD are not even worth it taking it alone, because the gains are so minimal that you rather stay natty and spend that money in food.
I've read and read and these SARMS are recommended to complement your regular roid cycle for better gains, and try to minimize the side effects of regular steroids, remember these drugs are designed to recover rather than gain muscle.

just go over to leddit's /r/peds and read the cringeworthy logs of these people, its not even funny.

PIC RELATED: a leddit boy who did a LGD and PCT cycle.

reddit.com/r/PEDs/comments/5j7d3h/anecdotal_log_9_week_lgd4033_review_postpct/
reddit.com/r/PEDs/comments/4cknko/rad140_cycle_log/
reddit.com/r/PEDs/comments/5bu6ap/anecdotal_review_lgd4033/

>bulking
>osta

You dont know what you are doing are you

Heres the thing though, and im not trying to be rude or anything by my previous post.

You will eventually want to get a "little" bit more, and when that comes youll look at steroids. For what you can gain from a long long peroid of sarm/peptide use you can gain in a 10 week cycle of test e. The cost will be significantly less, the time it will take will be significantly less, the results will literally blow sarms etc out of the water and youll get what you want alot faster.

Now people say steroids and the like are alot more dangerous, and yes there is alot more scientific data and studies that back this up. There is risk with using anabolic steroids. But remember that these things are known because these drugs have been around since the 1940s. The drugs that are being talked about in this thread haven't been around for this much time and such studies havent been done. the long term effects of these drugs aren't known.

If you dont want to use steroids thats fine, but don't use sarms or peptides and try fill in the gap. Nothing will compare to AS and it never will.

Do you have progress pics? stats?

Will you lose your gains after cycles of test e?

Simple answer, Fuck no.

Ive done 3 cycles of test e, all cycles at 500mg/wk for 12 weeks. when i started lifting i was 67kg at 18 years old 5"10, now im 90kg at 5"10 at about 12% bf.

Don't get me wrong, you do lose strength and muscle during pct but with each cycle i gained about 8kg of mucle and kept 5kg after pct.

i only ran nolva at 40/40/20/20 for all my cycles for pct, If you were to use nolva/clomid or hcg/nolva or hcg/clomid for pct id say natural test will start up again a shitload faster and youll lose alot less muscle during pct.

Muscle loss will only happen after a cycle of steroids if you dont do a proper pct and your diet is fucked.

Been natty for 2 yrs, have 1,2,3,4 pretty clean and for reps with just using straps and adipowers for squats.

Where do I buy MK and how much do I pay

irc.bio 70 dollars US

Who the fuck would do it 3 times a day? Jesus

I was white as fuck and once every few days after loading once a day for 5 or so days, and now maintain at once week thats it. every injection was .1ml

It doesnt make you magically tanned either.
You still have to go into the sun/tanning bed too. Just not as much.

SarmsFag what can you tell me about ostarine? Is it as safe as MK-677? What about stacking them?

Get to 2,3,4,5 and then ask again. Youre not even close to what you could do.

Would i need a pct for ostarine or lgd? Anything i can get that doesnt require a prescription?

not the guy you were talking to but if i ran one cycle of test would I see any worthwhile results or is 2-3 cycles vastly superior?
sorry for fraud questions in a non fraud thread but hey idgaf

You wouldn't need a pct, but I would recommend one for lgd. Something light like 50/50/25/25 clomid is what I've done. All the reports I've seen vary widely though, with some people skipping pct and having no problem.

For osta I wouldn't bother, unless you want to be extra careful. It's widely known to be the least suppressive of the common sarms.

Many people just recommend taking DAA or anything that boosts test a little bit instead of pct, and those don't need a prescription. I bought clomid from lifepharma.biz , and while it shipped from india which might've aroused suspicions, they don't really care about clomid.

I can tell you that I took Ostarine for 4 weeks, 15mg a day first thing in the morning. I ate 1000 calories below maintenance, and was able to stick to my linear progression (+5lbs every workout). I've heard many reports of similar experiences from guys who actually lift adult weights too.
In short, it was a dream for cutting.

It's fine to stack mk and a sarm, just don't stack 2 sarms. mk+osta=good osta+lgd=bad

Don't have progress pics, and don't feel like taking a pic right now. My body isn't impressive except compared to what it was 18 months ago. I'm 26, 6'0 ~162lbs and my lifts are garbage, hence the performance enhancing efforts.

probably true, but for now I like sarms. they let me pretend like I'm still natty, and they are much milder. I'm not using them to "fill the gap" of steroids. There is no gap of steroids, I've never done steroids. Sarms give me better results than lifting natty, so I like them for now. If I ever pin test, I'll find you and tell you you were right.

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I have lost a significant amount of weight and have a little more to go, I will have some loose skin and heard that increased growth hormone can help, will these sarms help with that?

You're tleling me a natty can do a strict 2 plate OHP what the fuck

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I've never heard of any sarm helping with loose skin. hgh/peptides/mk-677/etc. all help with this though so stick to those if that's all you care about.

What are the best compound's that aren't actually sarms but fall under the umbrella (stuff like mk67 and cardinine) Reason being I have shitty genetics and even ostarine gives me prolactin induced gyno

Yes. Im not him and i have doubled 225 strict press as a natty@6'0 210 bw.
Its very possble but form carries you very far on ohp. Keeping your elbows under the bar at the bottom being the most common thing people dont do. The other is to have your chest out but not leaning back.

5 11", 18 years old, 195 pounds. Wish me luck fit, running lgd now. Here's a pic from a year ago when I was cutting.

Hey sarmfag,
Been taking 30mg of rad140 for 9 days now and I feel no different.
How long does it usually take to kick in and what are your general thoughts on rad?

I have low base test levels. Basically one of my balls doesnt work. Will sarms shut me down?

what are your goals?

I've never run rad myself, so I can't really say. It will be the next substance I try out, so hopefully you can give me some tips after your cycle. From what I'm seeing on reddit and google, most people feel something after about a week and a half.

Not sure what that means for you but give it a little more time to work. Did you get it from a trusted source?

Just asking in general so I'll know in the future I'm currently on my first actual steroid cycle of test e and dbol but am interested in what I can use while off that isn't suppressive and won't give me any hormonal sides.

Also I already have gyno since i was a kid and i dont want it to get any bigger. When I asked the same on /fraud/ they basically wrote me off but i wanna know if it would likely get worse if i did anything that suppressed my natty test production. Thankyou in advance.

ok well from what I've seen, cardarine is good either on cycle or during pct, same with mk-677. I don't see a need to mess with anything else especially if you're doing test and dbol. why fuck with sarms, you know?

do you have your baseline numbers? in all likelihood they won't permanently shut you down, but they will reduce your levels so low that they will do much more harm than good. but plenty of guys in the 300-500 ng/dl range have taken sarms and been fine with no pct.

are you on TRT or anything man?

not sure about the gyno, but sarms don't aromatize so you should be fine. have you tried arimidex and nolva before?

>22:05:28
Got the powder from irc.bio so I'm sure it's good.
I have high hopes for the stuff

Yeah I definitely understand the thing is however I like being a guinea pig for this shit as weird as it might sound. My end goal is to find some combination of drugs or a certain protocol that could for example make you keep 95% of gains off cycle or some interaction between drugs that could cause a massive amount of GH release or weight loss or whatever you know just by having the balls to try it.
I also enjoy the gamble of holy shit I might actually die from this which is why I love DNP.

If that's how you feel, why come here and ask for advice?
Just go stuff your body full of drugs mate.

anyone know what the effects of taking t3 with multi day fasting would be?

>he's the hero Veeky Forums deserves
yeah man you're on another level then. definitely keep us posted though on your experiments and results.

right on. keep us updated.


goodnight brehs, see you all tomorrow.

I need to keep updated with what's new on the scene one of the more fun things about these magic mystery compounds is there seems to be a new one every few months or so where as actual roids have been tried and tested and actually work.
The main reason I'm interested in these things is because I don't plan on doing blast & cruise but at the same time I also want to remain as close to not natty as possible while off cycle.

Thanks man. I dont have anything recent but i remember it being around the 500 mark when i got tested last in august. Ive been trying to supplement it naturally and with test boosters. Supposed to be going for a blood test in a couple of weeks because i want to see if my diet and supplements are changing much.

Is there any benefit to TRT. Im worried its gonna make my gyno bigger? Not really too sure myself.

Ive used AAIs before, gotta admit im a noob to any supplements beyond whats easy to obtain.

What? Ostarine is amazing for a bulk. I gained 10lbs lbm (2lbs fat) in an 8 week cycle on it.

Is canadian med supplies a legit source for Canadians or should I stick to irc bio?