Do you think a united Europe is the way to surpass all the current problems the continent is facing to survive and become a major player comparable to USA and China, with one economy, one army and navy, and one foreign policy? Do you think a Swede and a Greek can get along and first call themselves Europeans before calling themselves Swedes and Greeks? That is the best way a united Europe can govern themselves, a federation, united states, or a centralized government?
>United Europe Never been possible since the fall of Rome.
Animosity still exists between cultures. Even now, the EU can't get its shit together. Members are starting to disobey Germany every now and then.
Even if the EU were to suddenly declare itself one state, it will never be one nation. Cultures, languages, religion, industries all differ too much.
Think Jugoslavia but all of Europe.
Blake Turner
Charlemagne might've had a chance if the carolingian sucession laws weren't so fucking terrible.
Xavier Moore
You're being silly.
>all those hyperdiverse cultures There aren't many differences in Europe. Not anymore.
Charles Torres
It's actually more possible now than before, since the UK held back a lot of this shit, and continentals can't resist a chance to show them up.
Jackson Torres
There were tries and discussions for a united Europe sincethe 19th century, and no wonder, with our shared history and similar cultures.
Do you think a gradual unification can happen?
>>Never been possible since the fall of Rome.
In what ways the Romans succeeded so it's conquered people called themselves Romans? I know the conquest and enforcement into the the Empire was via militaristic ways, but is there something EU can learn from so European will start getting a united identity, one of the European?
Xavier Ross
This. Europe's recent history has been "piss of the Anglos, don't piss off the Russkies".
Nicholas Baker
>Even if the EU were to suddenly declare itself one state, it will never be one nation. This. Also, even IF such a thing happened, do not call it the "United States of Europe" for fuck's sake. At least call it the European Federation.
Bentley Flores
European Dominion has a nice ring to it.
Ian Gonzalez
Or just plain Europe, as it was called in dire times against external foes.
The thing is, there is this mentality in Europe right now, that I don't care what happens in other European countries, as long as it doesn't bother me.Think the Russian thread in the baltic states, or the immigration influx in Greece/Italy/Spain, so the strategy of "divide and conquer" works pretty well on European countries. As long as West Europe don't realize that hiding your head in the sand will not solve the problems, and stop enforcing policies that 90% of other EU nations don't agree on, Europe will become more and more divided. Look at Hungary and it's fight against the migrant quotas EU imposed.
Lincoln Torres
What about the European Hegemony?
Ryder Brooks
Nah, hegemony implies a zone of influence rather than the direct territory of a state. For example, most of the world could be said to be under an American hegemony but that doesn't imply that it's all one state like a united Europe would be.
Ryan Gomez
You're better at blending in than the rest of your kekistani compatriots, I'll give you that.
Noah Fisher
Make a treaty of federalising it, sign it in rome and let federal europe be know as the Roman treaty
Jose Perry
Good too. European Republic is what I'd go to if you don't want to sound like a villainous Star Trek empire.
Nolan Lee
Have all the elected officials dress in togas and the prime minister called a consule and we're all set.
Christopher Taylor
As a Frenchman, I am sorry to admit that this will never happen, or at least not in a democratic way. My fellow brethrens are too accustomed to "muh social privileges" and our ponzi scheme welfare state.
Easton Barnes
>nation state It's been a meme since the idea appeared in the 19th century. State is the only thing that matters
Colton White
The only time this couldve worked was if germany became communist after ww1. The plan of the soviets was to establish a "united soviets of europe" once germany became communist. Obviously that failed.
Cameron Gomez
>What are the Yugoslav Wars
Jackson Evans
>not in a democratic way
Good. Have one guy declare himself to be the Senate and then actually form a Senate to surprise everyone. Move the capital to Strasbourg, it's a better city.
Justin Rivera
Call it the council
Ethan Sanchez
One of the greatist projects in human history, surpassing all influence that the german and italian unification had. Time is running out for the west, before WW1 a single western country could control much more of the world.
One day humanity will leave the Earth, and we need to make sure that it is ours ideals and morals that it will spread.
Nathaniel Ortiz
Except I doubt our military will ever let Bruxel scums put their dirty hands on our nukes.
Asher Thomas
You'll end up with one really big Islamic caliphate which the United States will probably have to blow up in the future.
Brody Gomez
>call themselves Europeans before calling themselves Swedes and Greeks Why is this required for a federal state again?
Chase Reyes
>>Major External thread >>Europe realize that massive reforms are needed and discussions are made >>United army is proposed and gradually applied >>Major trade aggreements between member states and free movement of people, and goods >>A united government is proposed and created, responsible for EU wide reforms and problems >>A decree on united foreign and trade policies are made. No trade with one EU country, no trade with other EU countries. >>EU government introduces a minimum of 3% of its member states budget for the united military. >> EU wide constitution is voted, imi-autonomous federal republics united by one government, in which every said republic gives yearly a percentage of it's GDP. >>EU maintains close ties with US >> Recognizes future problems, starts active diplomatic influence in other countries and intervention in troublesome countries for internal protection. Ie migrant influx.
Leo Miller
>/pol/ack >weeb
Checks out
Thomas Myers
Why would a Swede protect a Greek in case Greece is at war, or why would a Greek feel obliged to care or even protect Sweden? As long as there is some sort of unity, the united EU will not work. That doesn't apply to close countries tho, like Spain and Italy with Greece for example, so a gradual unification is favorable. Una fazza una raccia in Italy., mia fazza mia razza in Greek.
Ryan Adams
Separatism.
Just look at Catalonia. You think Spain's having a great time right now?
Noah Stewart
You unironically made me tear up a bit. Evropa invicta!
Nathan Flores
>/pol/ack You haven't been to /pol/ lately, have you?
Jose Anderson
>>>EU maintains close ties with US Aaaand it's gone.
Jaxon Evans
This. A European armed force doesn't need the help of "lmao shoot and rape unarmed brown people: the army".
Eli Moore
A united europe will continue to be known as the european union
Landon Reyes
>im a white nationalist, that means i get subsidized by the Russians and want Europe to remain fractured and weak
Levi Scott
We already had a few better names >European Hegemony >European Dominion >European Conclave >The White Horde >European Republic >European Sinchronicity >European Immanence
Jaxson Richardson
That's right. A meme.
Jaxon Cooper
>Not the Europerium
Joseph Anderson
I wonder if a common language would be teached to all citizens in the same way Italy, France and Germany made their populations more homogenous. It reduces the cultural heritage and diversity, but it could also strengthen everyone as a whole.
Liam Myers
>Unified Europe >while the UK and Russia still exist
Evan Bailey
You just gave me a chub, user. Let's hope russian menace and the explosion of african demography will help the Union to overcome its difference. Last year everybody thought the brexit would destroy the EU and now it seems stronger than it ever was in 10 years
Blake Stewart
/thread /board /continent
I'd vote for you based on this alone
Logan Morris
>england leaves something >it's suddenly much better
No surprises there
Jackson Bennett
Its better cause they will stop cockblocking every reform. Plus, no one watch british white trash in Europe.
Jordan Mitchell
I know man, I hope so too. The only worrying part is that with the african demographic boom where most likely will be a massive swing in the other direction, of the far right. That's not good for the union.
Jackson Lopez
The EU needs a propaganda ministry and it's all set to go. Call it the Ministry of Enlightened Truth.
Luke Powell
There is one. His name is Guy Verhofstadt
Adrian Brown
We need a population boost tebehe. Africans are an easy choice for the West since they do speak the language, but I'd rather have non-aligned Euros or Sudacas all things considered. Africa needs to be our testing ground where we select the best and brightest to join our Fully Automated Luxury Gay Temperate Zone Social Democracy.
Kevin King
The fact that I'm a huge Euroboo and I don't know his name or what he does speaks volumes. Or perhaps I don't need to know since he'd be preaching to the choire.
Xavier Sanchez
We just need cloning factories dude
Ian Taylor
Problem is the immigrants are fairly right-wing on a number of social issues, and I don't know how kindly they'd take to a European state once they get settled in.
Adrian Kelly
But that would mean German women go extinct inside a generation.
Jacob Perry
The best would be for us to at least achieve a birth rate that conserves our current population amount. We should then focus on proping up other western allies to compensate for our lack of growing population. We are going to force South America to reach their forgotten potential. After that we can try and recruit some African nations into our sphere.
Andrew Hall
And ?
Andrew Myers
Sounds like you're trying to expand from a European Union into a World Union.
Ryan Watson
I think that as long as we dont throw them all into a ghetto i think that the regular school system will make their children as degenerate as any other European
Nolan Martinez
Won't be possible until frogs finally stop being stubborn and start talking english.
Jayden Ortiz
Algeria and Tunisia, Morocco too probably, are very likely candidates.
Net gain for everyone. Expect Germans to lose their drive to work as soon as their country gets filled with Slavettes though.
Gabriel Ross
Our morals and values are unique in that we dont just require our own people to follow them but that the whole planet must accept human rights, democracy and the morals and values that accompany them.
Just look at Burma, they are genociding their own citizens and one superpower, China, is helping the regime with no regard for the human suffering it is creating. This must be stopped.
Luke Perry
What do you think is going to happen in germany ? Merkel is in a very difficult position, same for the SPD. The coalition will only benefit Merkel, but if the SPD refuse, the next elections will be even worse. Meanwhile Macron is sitting waiting for them to get their shit together, and the european calendar is on hold. On another hand, with the brexit and Merkel in difficulty, it's a perfect opportunity for France to get back more leadership. Using Italy and Spain as allies would allow to circumvene the germans more easily, who lost the UK.
Angel Powell
America would probably be on board with helping you in this goal if you'd just implement free speech and the right to bear arms into your laws.
Aaron Perry
I'd rather think Italy will soon have enough power on its own to challenge the Fra/Ger dualism. Spain is a long way away yet, so they're likely to back France.
Luis Garcia
We don't like or need guns, as a general rule.
Eli Hill
The guns waste the pictures desu
Cooper Carter
"As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it." -- GEN 9:7
Thee West needs traditional Christian values and the return of the family unit, at the same time cutting all needless welfare and foreign aid, and using that money for space exploration instead.
The role of life is to propagate itself, not to cuck itself into an empty hedonistic life of materialism and consumerism.
The modern Western male will never know the joy of being a grandfather hosting a huge family gathering, being a patriarch with 5 children and a dozen grandchildren and knowing it all came from your seed.
Instead, if current trends continue most young people today will end up childless under the care of a foreign nurse in a retirement home.
Isn't that sad?
Parker Lopez
Oh please, family reunions are awful and a field of tensions most of the time. Poland is hardcore christian and yet their demographic growth is only of 1.2. France is dechristianized and was the european exception for a long time. It's changing now but still.
Andrew Bennett
Then the whole planet doesn't have to accept ALL human rights, I suppose.
Asher Myers
America is a joke. I remember reading about them passing a law and sneaking in a defintion of children that works against abortion. They call themselves a fucking democracy and then do third world shit like sneaking shit into legislature. The population is rediculously polarized and seriously hinders how the country functions, they are having their second government shutdown as of right now. Not to mention the anti-intellectualism that the current administration is supporting.
America cant seriously change the world for the better until they reform their society.
And we dont abide to the American definition of free speech which allows free incitement of hatered that created one of the greatest crimes against humanity.
Hunter Powell
I think the only way for a the languages issue is to have 2 or 3 recognized languages, french, english and german. All teached in school. Majority of Europeans still speak 3 languages already.
Jason Butler
You're family is shit Maybe that's why you are like this
Carson Walker
Then all polish families are shit too, I guess. Same for Denmark, all nordic country, and Europe in general
Alexander Baker
>And we dont abide to the American definition of free speech which allows free incitement of hatered that created one of the greatest crimes against humanity. I didn't know you were shitposting until I read that part.
Austin Scott
>BUT I WANNA SAY KILL ALL NIGGERS >MOOOOOM THEY WON'T LET ME CALL FOR RACE WAR >WAAAAAH
Come to Europe, learn to be polite you boorish barbarian
Parker Taylor
Why should you go to jail for calling someone a nigger? Why do you trust the government with the power to police speech like that?
Aaron Cooper
Poland is not "hardcore Christian". No Western nation today has mantained Christian values, that's why their populations are shrinking.
Meanwhile in America, Amish have the highest population growth rate of any group in the country.
Jackson Morris
You don't go to jail, you get fined
You go to jail for "kill all niggers", as you should.
Jordan Murphy
Amish are fucking heretics
Aiden Powell
Why? Why give the government that kind of power? Why should you go to jail for that?
Jackson Martinez
And why should you get fined?
Isaac Garcia
Inciting violence you absolute cretin.
Slander, insult, whatever your code of law says.
Evan Long
>Inciting violence But I'm not inciting violence, I'm just saying kill all niggers
>Slander, insult, whatever your code of law says Slander is when you purposely lie about someone, we don't have any laws against insults because we're not pussies
Ayden Morris
You'll all be chicano niggers soon anyway
Isaac Richardson
And that'll be a fine of 200 Euros for calling someone a nigger.
Cooper Lopez
So what I get from this is you're a petulent spoiled child who never wants to take responsibility for what he says and thinks shouting race war or other idiotic Cambodgian Sandalweaving Forum garbage IRL is a show of revolt and not just a pubescent edgy attention seeking cry for help. You're pathetic.
Alexander Brown
I'm smart enough to not do it in public, user
Angel Rogers
No, I just don't need to protected from the opinions of others like Europeans do apparently.
James Kelly
So you're not even willing to live by the values that you endorse? You're all "just learn to be polite user" but as soon as the government turns its gaze away you start spewing insults like an edgy teenager?
Gabriel Butler
That might have been possible if the federation looked like that. But the EU expanded too fast. Eastern countries will not agree, considering they got their sovereignty back recently.
Charles Phillips
Lmao.
Jeremiah Carter
>the values you endorse Kek, I'm not racist. I say niggers for shit and giggles, and I can actually make the difference between black people and niggers, nigger.
Lucas Richardson
responsibility for what? im not responsible for other people's feelings. there are laws against enciting violence and making false alarms...thats good enough and its been shown to work just fine in the US
Early in US history when libel and slander laws were loosely defined the president could and sometimes did imprison or censor the public. never again.
Aaron James
The only reason speech laws in Europe are even remotely acceptable is because they have benevolent governments...that doesn't last forever.
Luis Richardson
it's because to americans stupidity is a quality to be celebrated, Europeans don't like it and pass laws to keep stupid people from talking too much
>hurr I want to scream offensive shit all the time to troll le people epic win
Anthony Robinson
What do you think about the guy in Scotland being prosecuted for hate speech after he uploaded a comedy video of his dog giving a Nazi salute?
This is why I'm opposed to hate speech laws, they're too open to abuse.
Connor Garcia
I never said you were racist, neither am I?
>I say niggers for shit and giggles Which will get you arrested or fined in Europe
Jack Sanders
>Scotland >Europe
Jayden Bennett
>Which will get you arrested or fined in Europe And that's all good because it will prevent retards like you to spew it. Starting to get the idea ?
Nicholas Davis
>hurr I want to scream offensive shit all the time to troll le people epic win Are you fucking serious? Is that what you think? You think its ok that comedians in France get arrested because of their sets? Do you think its ok that Germans can be fined for doing nazi shit, even ironically or as a joke? do you think is ok? People can criticize america for lots of things, but free-speech is what America does as well as anybody.