Enhanced or natural?

this dude from my gym claims he is natural, what does Veeky Forums say? these traps looking unnatty as hell

I am always up for roid shaming, but you can't really tell from this picture. Post more

pretty average back op

OP here, this is from his instagram, 6 years progress he claims

He's natty don't be a jelly faggot

huh, still can't tell from top genetics or roider, but probably roider since the vast majority of people doesn't have the combo willpower + genetics to achieve that.

will they ever learn?

Then how come you have willpower + genetics but you still look like shit?

Yeah, look, calves looking oiled up as hell also

Those look like normal calves familam.He looks natty as fuck, raise your standards.

>6 years
Holy fuck, you're retarded if you think he's roiding

roids? doesnt even look like he lifts

Looks completely natural OP. Stop being gay.

weight ?

He's natty.

>big head
>probably short
I say he's natty, come on man, that wouldnt' look out of place even on a tall guy.

Jesus OP

Just gear up already

Maybe some test will make you less of an insufferably jelly beta

god tier genetics ab-wise on his IG, looks like he might be using clen or diuretics for cutting, but roids? meh

Lol so much this. There were natty kids in my HS bigger than that.

says 183cm on his IG

that is not lean enough to necessitate clen or diuretics

there is no point in speculating because you will never know unless he admits it or is drug tested

how long has he been lifting and how long have you been lifting?

Just good genetics with a pump while being bretti lean from what I can tell. Natty for sure.

You asked a dude at the gym if you could take a picture of him? so you could post it on Veeky Forums?

Note: it's just as weird if you took it from his fb or insta.

Looks like he has a roast chicken on his back.

roast chicken back is the natty limit

So probably 173cm irl.

this is totally achievable naturally, dude just has a really small waist