Fascism has to be shot to death in order to fail

>communism has a setback
>lol failed let's not try it ever again!
it's like if people dropped capitalism when the great depression happened

Except fascism literally creates the environment for its own demise by forcing countries into positions where they get shot to death, you nigger.

Fascism utterly failed in spain. Nazi germany knowingly fucked up their economy in order to get the mean to loot and pillage Europe. Why the fuck would I want to live in such shitty societies?

>>communism has a setback
>worldwide, through all time
>let's do it again y'all
when your failure rate is 100%, it's time to consider it's a shitty idea

except when those fascist countries aren't jingoists. If you're a brainlet and you think the Third Reich is the only fascist country i could see where you'd arrive at that conclusion.

>Fascism utterly failed in spain.
the Falangists were subsumed into the Francoists and at least partially influenced Spanish dogma.

>1939
>Hitler decides not to go to war
>economy implodes so hard that it makes the soviet collapse look like a pleasant day at the seaside
hmmm...

>Pinochet
>Franko
>Salazar
>Greek military junta
Are you literally ignorant of any fascists outside of Axis?

And aren't strenght and virility supposed to be the most important values of fascism?

>the greatest tragedy of the 20th century.
I'd hardly call it that, in the face of all the tragedies of the 20th century. I'd also be careful about calling it a tragedy, given the state of the USSR.

You realize more Soviets died in ww2 than every allied country combined right? An area the same size as the entire US East of the Mississippi was occupied by the Nazis who made an effort to enslave, exterminate and starve the entire population of that area and did for many years and USSR still recovered. Fascism is like a bomb, it literally is fueled off the hatred and destruction of everything around it. Communism still isn't good, but certainly is more stable in the long run than hyper nationalism.

>my fanfics

i don't recall Chile or Spain suffering some horrific collapse

I would argue that fascism is inherently aggressive, and thus being "shot to death" is its own failure. I would also note that fascism was only practiced on a large scale for a few decades at most, while communism nearly a full century for its flaws to develop in the countries practicing it and overwhelm them

and the Soviet Union survived the war, only to collapse in 1991 due to it's own shitty model. Fascism is not ALWAYS a mad dog that makes a beeline for it's neighbors' throats.

Why did Germany have to ruin fascism for everyone else?

>Pinochet
>Franco
Are not fascists, authoritarian yes but not fascist. They also didn't collapse but transitioned to industrialization and democracy.

>Run a huge deficit and pursue a war economy
Yeah, it's a mistery what would have happened to their economy were it not for war.

it's aggresion was certainly it's own failure in the case of Italy and Germany, but Spain managed to be fascist and be happy friends with the West.

>i don't recall Chile or Spain suffering some horrific collapse
No one was talking about "horrific collapses", but about longevity of totalitarian regimes.

Can you name a fascist regime that lasted for more than 50 years? I can't even remember one which survived it's leader.

>Communists controlled most of the Eastern hemisphere and still fell
>China and Russia needed the USA top stop small island Japan

Franco has at least a modicum of Fascism tied with him by way of the Falangists.
And if the commies are going to speak to corporatist autocrats as fascists, they should also have to eat their words when just that happens and leads to success.

>not real fascism!
Ah yes, well memed

Chile's economy was neo-liberal (look up who the Chicago Boys were). Also, you might want to read what the economy was like in Spain before the 60's.

The Falangist leaders got executed by the republic state, they were anti-capitalism unlike Franco who served the bourgeoisie. Never trust a capcuck

the PAP has been going strong in Singapore since 1959, and it might be a step away from more traditional notions of proper fascism, they are very much Authoritarian Right and an example of resounding success.

Republics had a 100% failure rate too at one point

>Fascism lasted 10 years
>Communism lasts to this day

Good point, but it's a bit more than a "single step" away from fascism.

Spanish Miracle still happened under Franco, and the state of the economy in the 60's still didn't lead to the collapse of Spain.
Pinochet was still authoritarian as fuck, even if he was an economic neo-liberal.

Franco still had Falangist influences no matter how you slice it.

this thread is all damage control to try and portray Authoritarian Right regimes as being not that, while making excuses for the Left's complete and utter failure to perform.

Salazar will always have a special place in my heart

fascism is the biggest example of unadulterated right wing policies, but i am mostly speaking to countries where right-wing ideology is practiced to great extents in an authoritarian manner.
that is why South Korea, Singapore, Chile, and a fair many other while not Fascist, ought to be considered when comparing Right Wing and Left Wing performance analysis.

And it's only getting stronger. Pretty spooky imo.

*blocks ur path with outstanding HDI*

>Nobody really was anti-fascist as opposed to all the anti-commie movements in the world.
>Starts a fight with the fucking world anyway.
>Starts to lose that fight.
>Rants and wails like a child and blames fringe groups for its losses and kills them.
Like a child.

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I'm outside of my expertise zone here, but wasn't the United States some of the first Republic movements in the West?

Don't get me wrong the "Left" could never create a functioning State that could last. People knew this from the time of the French First Republic, it didn't turn out so well.
The "Right" has always been more orderly and righteous.

>the only fascist movements i am aware of are the Axis Powers

>but i am mostly speaking to countries where right-wing ideology is practiced to great extents in an authoritarian manner
Like Saudi Arabia?

>while not Fascist
We are talking about Fascists.

and let's take a step back from the 20th Century and realize that the Roman Empire the the ultimate AuthRight country and the Big Daddy of the entire Western Civilization.

>Don't get me wrong the "Left" could never create a functioning State that could last.

U sure?

>Like Saudi Arabia?
Saudi Arabia is actually fucking killing it in Middle Eastern affairs right now.

All the brain dead communist and liberals in here need to read this. Educate yourself on what is Fascism and stop being a retarded meme spouting idiot.

>Roman Empire
>Started by a guy from Populist party

>my fanfics
>implying the Reich's economy could've survived without plundering Europe

>the Left would take a slaveholding, only-white-landowning-males-can-vote, Constitutional Republic as being a leftist success in an age where left means marxist

i mean if that's your standard it's pretty fucking right wing

If you'd given fascism 70 years, it would have collapsed on its own too.

>fascism isn't populist

Yes, slavery liberty republic man that only lasted 86 years until a bloody civil war crushed every retarded purpose of forming a state based on liberal ideals in the first place.

It seemed to be doing pretty well for itself before being forced into a war

>pretty fucking right wing
From contemponary POV, where left meant liberals no.

Why are there so many neo fascists on Veeky Forums?

This. For it's time period the US was very much a far more liberal government than pretty much anywhere else in the world.

They weren't perfect, voting was heavily restricted and then you have the issue of slavery but given the time period the US was founded it was way ahead of the curve.

Marx hadn't even been born yet.

...

Based brainlet

>if we'd have given the Far Left more time it would have worked
>if we'd have given the Far Right (ignoring all the Far-Right regimes still working today) it would have stopped working
is this how commies rationalize their beliefs?

Nah, fascism has a heavy dose of reactionary sentiment to call Ceasar fascist. If you want equivalent of fascism in Roman times think Sulla.

in a contemporary viewpoint sure, but that's like going from far right to just right wing and calling that a leftist victory

I mean, communism absorbed the bullet that was arguably of higher caliber than that shot against fascism, but just my 2 sentis

>Anyone who doesn't support fascism is a commie

Man, will this argument ever end? They're both terrible fucking systems that strip the rights from the citizens.

Do you know who's actually lumping together Chile during Pinochet, Singapore, South Korea and the Francoist regime as if they were fascist itt? Hint: it doesn't seem to be a liberal or a leftist.

>2 people have cancer
>one jumps off a building before it kills him
>"that means I didn't have cancer"

Americans and Communists.

What exactly is so great about fascism anyway?

Well, you claimed that left could never created a succesful state. I presented a leftist state so succesful it helped to shift liberalism to the right.

>ideology that praises war and conflict fails because of it
Sounds pretty shit to me desu

Spain was AuthRight, not fascist. And while SK and Spain did well economically under autocracies, South Vietnam, Portugal and South American regimes of the sort did not do as well, nor did the African ones for a plethora of reasons.

it's all just speculation that the far right would have collapsed all while Western Civilization is built on hard right wing beliefs.

I've already admitted that Pinochet cannot be called a proper fascist (unless you want to toy with leftists' definitions of fascism which are arguably rather generous) but is still an example of AuthRight success.

>hard right wing beliefs are cancer
there are many prosperous examples of Far-Right governments.

>if we'd have given the Far Left more time it would have worked
Except I didn't say this. And I don't believe it.
>ignoring all the Far-Right regimes still working today
How many are working without massive help from a great power sponsor or cannibalizing their own people to stay afloat?

Authoritarian right regime = / = fascism

It was not succesful, it only lasted 86 years.

that is an outrageously generous definition of leftist, that's like calling Strasser leftist because of their comparison to Hitler.

and the AuthRight isn't 100% either, it's just not 100% failure like the Left

>Singapore
>you can never have friends in politics

what i mean to demonstrate is that when you choose to play by a certain values system, and in this case AuthRight, it might manifest itself as fascism, it might not, but it's still the same overall playbook. Countries that were fascist influenced and even considered fascist outright by some definitions have seen great success.

Anyone claiming USA as historically "leftist" should be shot with a 12 gauge. It was a state based on at the time Liberal Ideals for Europeans that didn't hold throughout the ages. No one here French and we don't shouldn't criticize regimes on the French concept of "left" and "right". USA was an orderly state made by Europeans FOR Europeans.

No? England was a republic for a decade, as was Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Novgorod, Switzerland, Florence, Siena, Netherlands, Venice, Papal States (to some extend), Zaporochian Sich, Cossack Hetmane and Corsica before the establishment of US. All of them had vanished by 1815 and replaced by monarchies that ruled every single square kilometer of Europe from Moscow to London outside of Papal States, Switzerland and Krakow. At that point, U.S and Republics as an idea were about as relevant as Vietnam or China are for Communism.

>that is an outrageously generous definition of leftist
Really? Name a more leftist state of the 18th century.

U.S was historically by far the most democratically advanced and liberal state in the world until around 1920s aside from some other minors such as Swissland. Go read your Marx: the guy uses US most often as an example of advanced social positions and movements in fields such as education and political rights.

>regurgitates anglo propaganda about national socialism
>calls others brainlets

>far-right regimes still working today
Such as?

Kek, USSR had zero unenployment too, not really a great argument to show how good their economy was.

Your point being? Neither Franco being in power during the Spanish Miracle doesn't make their economy fascist nor Pinochet being uthoritarian make the economies in their respective societies 'fascist'.

>forcing women off the workplace and back to the household
>enact big projects that create lots of jobs but take in loads of debt to finance them
>gear your entire economy towards a huge war effort
Yah, I'm sure they could have easily transitioned back to peace time economy in 1940.
Also
>forced into the war
Heh

What is your definition of 'Auth-Right'?

>forced into the war

This is my favorite thing. I've literally had people call me a kike shill for pointing out the Germany invaded Poland as if somehow the invasion was a hoax.

> bloated government sector that kept unemployment low is a feature of strong economics

in short, an embracing of the inequalities between men and a veneration of hierarchy combined with little leeway given to dissension and an overall stranglehold on power they intend to keep.

Germany be good boys dey dindu nuffin, Poland attacked first

Singapore, as my best example.

>Your point being? Neither Franco being in power during the Spanish Miracle doesn't make their economy fascist nor Pinochet being uthoritarian make the economies in their respective societies 'fascist'.
it makes them AuthRight though

But you see the Polish were literally massacring Germans and launching raids across the border, the Germans told me so.

This. Surely Hitler wouldn't lie, right?

I know what Authoritarian mean but now describe "Right".

Also the Polish should have just given the Germans Danzig, it was rightful German land. The Czechs gave in and things worked out for everyone there.

When you declare war on everyone then lose that war before you have a chance to collapse in on yourself that doesn't make you more successful.

see >an embracing of the inequalities between men and a veneration of hierarchy

I agree and capital shouldn't be used as a qualifier for higher position in the hierarchy, Fascist were anti-capitalism, anti-bourgeoisie.