Reasons to stay natty?

If your okay with having small arms, small shoulders and a decent chest with huge legs that look like you roided for them

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heart problem, digestive problems organs problems etc. Worse feeling in life is having your own body fail on you because of choices you consciously made.

Maybe not being a roided freak who depends wholly on access to exogenic synthetic hormones to even function as a man?

and he wasted a year making no progress when he could be squatting over 405 by now

>hur dur i studied comp sci for 2 years but i just kept learning binary instead of moving on

cringe, autism, >>>/reddit/, etc.

No hair loss, no gyno, no dick skin, no shrunken nuts, steroids are illegal

>hairline already receding
>always had back acne
>low test, no erections, fapped once a week, etc
>sleep 10 hours a day. Always tired
>depressed since high school
>made very little gains lifting from 17-20
>no plans on having kids cause the world is hell
>realize I have absolutely nothing to lose running gear
>decide to suicide via steroids

On my 20th birthday decided to blast 500mg test and cruise 250 test for ever.

>4 months into roiding
>depression gone
>HUGE gains
>insane amounts of confidence
>anxiety gone
>got a car + license with zero drivers anxiety
>extrovert
>making new friends every week
>girls check me out and I just talk to him easily
>for the first time the world isn't so bad
>now I actually want to have kids, wife, big family
Oh the irony cause the gear will probably make me sterile. Worth it though. Fuck low test.

Never coming off. Testosterone is the nectar of the gods.

I'm 20 and I feel like my body is already riddled with test so I don't feel the need. I understand it if you're over 40 though.

Wow. For a guy like you, getting on was definitely the right thing.

I don't plan on ever taking anything but it's a very clear winner vs an heroing

if you become sterile you can reverse the process

this is how pepole that do strenght training look. Fuck this shit and fuck all powerlifting memes. I want to look like normal human not fucking minotaur or centaur.

Would nibble nips / 10

dem estrogen hips doe

tt-thanks mr rippetoe

pls be bait

Passed 1/2/3/4. The people I know who roided then stopped look like shit now. I just want to look fit and symmetric

looks good, that's kinda my goal too

kek

I look better as a 2 month otter

cant think of any

Former Abusers of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids Exhibit Decreased Testosterone Levels and Hypogonadal Symptoms Years after Cessation (2016, N=70 + 30 control)

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161208

damn it's depressing being a natty

METHOD
This study had a cross-sectional case-control design and involved 37 current AAS abusers, 33 former AAS abusers (mean (95%CI) elapsed duration since AAS cessation: 2.5 (1.7; 3.7) years) and 30 healthy control participants. All participants were aged 18–50 years and were involved in recreational strength training. Reproductive hormones (FSH, LH, testosterone, inhibin B and anti-Müllerian hormone (AMH)) were measured using morning blood samples. Symptoms of hypogonadism (depressive symptoms, fatigue, decreased libido and erectile dysfunction) were recorded systematically.

is this achievable natty?

RESULTS
Former AAS abusers exhibited significantly lower median (25th –75th percentiles) total and free testosterone levels than control participants (total testosterone: 14.4 (11.9–17.7) nmol/l vs. 18.8 (16.6–22.0) nmol/l) (P < 0.01). Overall, 27.2% (13.3; 45.5) of former AAS abusers exhibited plasma total testosterone levels below the lower reference limit (12.1 nmol/l) whereas no control participants exhibited testosterone below this limit (P < 0.01). Gonadotropins were significantly suppressed, and inhibin B and AMH were significantly decreased in current AAS abusers compared with former AAS abusers and control participants (P < 0.01). The group of former AAS abusers had higher proportions of participants with depressive symptoms ((24.2%) (11.1; 42.2)), erectile dysfunction ((27.3%) (13.3; 45.6)) and decreased libido ((40.1%) (23.2; 57.0)) than the other two groups (trend analyses: P < 0.05).

Conclusions

Former AAS abusers exhibited significantly lower plasma testosterone levels and higher frequencies of symptoms suggestive of hypogonadism than healthy control participants years after AAS cessation. Current AAS abusers exhibited severely decreased AMH and inhibin B indicative of impaired spermatogenesis.

I am though. If I was on gear I'd be shredded.

im natty, idk if this is considered good but im satisfied

You have weird insertions but idk maybe its the angle. You have reached greek statue mode. Good job.

I have seen your picture 3 fucking times today.

summoning lotus senpai

>satisifed

that is why you will never beat that, because you think you look good

i look 10 times worse but no matter how good I look, I won't be happy. That's the mentality that leads to progress, natty, on roids, whatever.

dont compare yourself to the worst looking people and say 'i look better'

compare yourself to the BEST and say 'I look like nothing'

>just want to look fit

keep training then

u should cut my man

you might be bigger, but fat doesn't really count in terms of weight.

thank you for showing everyone what years of strength training natty gets you in terms of "physique"

if you use roids u should just never stop using them but cruise until you die

making ur chart irrelvant

>veins running all across his shins

wh-what?

Steroids CAN cause increase in bad cholesterol and a reduction in good cholesterol. This and acne are pretty much the only FACTS

yet to be proven but keeping me worried are....baldness, liver issues, fucked up estrogen levels, gyno, mood swings....

I don't know if this user still posts but he's my natty fitspiration

Not worried about what you think "looks fit". You claim to look 10x worse than another user and I'd bet you're unwilling to post a pic. I look like that when I wake up without a pump my man, I'm happy

> You claim to look 10x worse than another user and I'd bet you're unwilling to post a pic.

Wrong.

>claim to look worse

Why would I lie on the internet faggot?

I look worse than you do too.

But I'm not so retarded to think a dyel physique is Veeky Forums or I made it or I did anything

you are nothing and you have an ego over it

and so defensive too

Wong, Wy wud i lie ion the niterntet fag!!!

i look wortse thn u do 2
but imn not SO RETARDEd to THHINK a dyel physiuqe is ///fot/ or i madite it

u are NOTHING!!!!!

>hahah BTFO LOL A PICTURE OF U!

looking jucy
routine? height and weight?
how long liftin?

Jordan I know you're in here you fuckin fag.

Omfg, you're me but I'm not roiding yet.

Getting closer to the choice between suicide and roids.

Because you're delusional if you think roiding is worth it. You're a fitter than average young man. With minimum effort you can be healthy for life. Your metabolism can handle partying, boozing and shitty food better than most people. Live it up and just focus on becoming a fucking monster today with what nature gave you. Roids are for the weak, the vain, and those that take fitness too seriously and without living the lifestyle

>>girls check me out and I just talk to him easily

>him

fuck you

also where you from asshole

>On my 20th birthday decided to blast 500mg test and cruise 250 test for ever.
>blast and cruise

you idiot

you dont look like....anything, really

you just have some abs

but if youre satisfied then good for you i suppose

About to turn 20. 5'11.5 in the morning, sure hope I make it past 6'. I was 5'10 at 17 so might still grow a little more

pic related is ideal for slaying, even Zyzz and Jeff tier "aesthetic" roid physiques look "too big"

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is this achievable natty?

Kinda sucks that you're so ugly because your body looks pretty good. Not sure what side you're on, though. You natty or no?

>implying the Irish go near asses big enough to hold an oil depot

Kek

No cancer/ cardiac vascular diseases
No hairless
Stable bloodpressure
No acne
No shrunken balls
Getting erection without viagra off cycle
Harder muscle
Longer remaining gains and muscle memory
actual strength

How do I into delts like that?

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yep even that bloke is above the natty limit

train them and shit

Some of these are legit, but the last 3 are factually incorrect and there are many studies and anecdotal examples that show how stupid they are.

I personally have never experienced any of them, but I have very low blood pressure anyway and do my cardio diligently.

>No cancer/ cardiac vascular diseases
cancer is only from hgh and it's associated compounds (and it isn't caused by it, it only accelerates cell growth), cardiovascular diseases only if you're already predisposed and aren't remotely careful
>No hairless
easily controllable with the right supplements/drugs
>Stable bloodpressure
easily controllable with the right supplements/drugs and/or doing cardio
>No acne
easily controllable with the right drugs/creams
>No shrunken balls
This is only temporary
>Getting erection without viagra off cycle
Only retards who don't PCT properly have this issue
>Harder muscle
Meme
>Longer remaining gains and muscle memory
Meme
>actual strength
Meme (and jfl if you think roids don't increase your "actual strength")

>cancer is only from hgh and it's associated compounds (and it isn't caused by it, it only accelerates cell growth), cardiovascular diseases only if you're already predisposed and aren't remotely careful

You seem to know more than medical science does..
See you in twenty years!!!

not-so-passive aggressive dude

Lel

How much does 3 month test cycle cost?

>hairless
Take finastride

5'6. 19. Haven't grown a LITERAL inch in 4 years.

Depends where you are from and what you are taking but like $30 - 50 /mo

Not all of us lift for looks brah...some of us do it because its all we have left.

Medical science doesn't know much either my fren

I'm 4 months from sedentary you lazy fucker

Why don't you actually train and put some effort it?

Sick of all the people that want to look like legit fucking twinks and think roids are required

Are you implying that physique is roids required or even comparable to zyzz and Jeff?

zyzz was a little twink bitch dude, especially for someone on juice he was tiny as fuck. I've said this thousands of times on here but I'll say it again, worshipping zyzz is a meme, he was autistic as fuck in social interactions and had no self control which is why he died at 22.

lol yep he's way above natty limit! That's why sandow BTFO him like 100 years ago with 0 knowlege of the sport and no scale to weigh his food!

I don't wanna judge people but I see people like MasT on so little roids and I respect that big time

And then u see zyzz's body on tren and shit and it's just lol

It's because real bodybuilders take steroids and eat chicken and rice and fish and oats and train really hard

And zyzz wannabes lift for 30 mins a day 3 times a week and drink and party party party and sleep 3 hours a day and take steroids to look good for girls

Look at Zyzz pics before he started roiding, he legit looks like me after 4 months

He don't care about bodybuilding just roiding to look passable

99.99% of the normie public will be instantly repulsed when they find out you're not natty. Case in point: Lance Armstrong is being treated worse for being not natty than Mel Gibson was treated for being a racist

The worst part about that is people don't even understand that he wasn't using outside chemicals to improve performance, just his own blood.

Fuck normies
If I ever hop on I will be a fake natty piece of shit
They dont deserve any better

lol that's not natty though
congrats on proving that you need to roid in order to look aesthetic

Is he natty??

How much is MassT on?

Nice. Now do for upper body what did you for your legs.

Perfect!

GH will literally make you taller if your plates are still open.

Why isn't gh prescribed to short children?

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>it's this discussion again

If you already have low test, then some Test is going to change your life (you propably don't have low test). However, 95% of Veeky Forums have no clue what roiding leads to and all the important aspects surrounding it. It's not some magic fix for getting women and suddenly enjoying a bountiful life of success. You actually give up a fuck-ton in your life for something that you most likely will value less when you get older.

it is prescribed to manlets who are 16 or above in the Netherlands I believe

Roughly how much does that dude weigh?

As cool of a guy lotus is, i dont think he is natty.

Cant get bloodwork in my state

>No hairless
>easily controllable with the right supplements/drugs
Not the guy you were responding to, but which drugs/supps are you talking about other than finasteride? (which CAN cause some serious fucking side effects)

because they're expensive