Does working out make you believe in a certain Ideology?

because desu I have never met an absolutely ripped Leftist/Socialist, they're all Libertarian or Conservative

pic very much related. I feel that testosterone fueled lifting can only lead you towards a more manly outlook on life and politics

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Monson#Politics
telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10061462/Stronger-men-are-more-right-wing.html
kff.org/other/state-indicator/adult-overweightobesity-rate-by-re/?currentTimeframe=0
electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/demographics
youtu.be/QXNxUiVZO5s
radishmag.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/pump-and-dump/
radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/fair-sex/
breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/
breitbart.com/london/2014/12/09/the-sexodus-part-2-dishonest-feminist-panics-leave-male-sexuality-in-crisis/
whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/
youtube.com/watch?v=rtJ_zbz1NyY
psmag.com/how-the-other-half-lifts-what-your-workout-says-about-your-social-class-f04d1b70c507#.fm04plrvq
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This is interesting; I'm also curious. Everyone I talk to who's into lifting is conservative/libertarian as well. And a good number of my acquaintances are pretty far left, and none of them are particularly into fitness.

something like that
nbcnews.com/video/florida-doctor-says-men-who-vote-clinton-may-have-low-t-776496707663

Working out teaches you that you get out what you put in.

It teaches you that you are responsible for your future, and no one will gift it to you.

It also teaches you that your failures are special and how failing is an important part of reaching your goal and failing multiple times is what shapes and defines you.

All of this goes against leftism, which is an ideology of everyone is a winner and special snowflake.

>Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image
of being strong, good and successful. They hate America,
they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they
hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating
the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real
motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is war-
like, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, bu
t
where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them,
or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whe-
reas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly
exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western
civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the
leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He
hates America and the West because they are strong and
successful
>Words like “self-confidence”, “self-reliance”, “ini-
tiative”, “enterprise”, “optimism”, etc., play little rol
e
in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-
individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to so
lve
every one’s problems for them, satisfy everyone’s needs
for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person
who has an inner sense of confidence in his ability to solve
his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is
antagohistic to the concept of competition because, deep
inside, he feels like a loser

Leftism is just female styled "thinking" applied to the state. It wants the government to nurture like a mother. Not something you'll likely support if you have healthy T levels. It's also why most Jews are lefties, as their men are highly feminized.

this HW fighter is a communist

One of the problems is that ~65% of women are liberal/left leaning while ~65% of men are conservative/right leaning, so that's already causing a divide (we all know women don't really take weightlifting seriously outside of exceptions)

After that, you're definitely going to be more of a sensitive man if you identify more with liberal causes, like social justice and state welfare, and sensitive (feminine) men don't generally care for weights or masculinity.

Looks Russian

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Monson#Politics

It's not definitive, but there have been several studies that show men who strength-train tend to be more conservative, and men who run tend to be more liberal. This makes sense because testosterone is known to make men more aggressive, suspicious, and individualistic. It also matches the common stereotype of lifters being meat-heads and runners being mellow yuppies.

Study confirms libcucks don't even lift.
telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10061462/Stronger-men-are-more-right-wing.html

Typically the more conservative a state the fatter it is.

The southern states have the most niggers though. Who are both fatter and more liberal on average.

Daily reminder that 48% of black people are clinically obese and 82% of black females are either obese or overweight.


You just posted a map of black population density not conservatism.

This and this

That's exactly why I don't lift, it's for meatheads.
I'll leave you guys to your "training" whilst the actual intellectuals of the world make a difference in society.

>Does working out make you believe in a certain Ideology?
>Leftist/Socialist, they're all Libertarian or Conservative
Perhaps not exactly strictly political but, personal responsibility, willingness to work hard and put in effort, sticking to goals, perseverance, a certain sense of right and wrong. ethics, morals as well as fairness and the concept of a "level playing field", maybe even a strong sense of justice.

Ebin b8

So there's enough fat black people to skew the obesity statistics of the entire south but not enough for the states to ever vote blue or elect majority democratic legislatures. Jesus Christ you morons will believe anything to shift the blame to someone else.

Testosterone also boosts logical and mathematical reasoning and other mental traits that happen to be stereo-typically male.

Doesn't matter, they're still a minority. These are all majority white states. Blacks accounted for 15% of the population of Arkansas, 48% of those being obese comes out to something like 7% of the population. If you think that 7% of the population is going to make the average BMI high you have to lay off the pills

Could I get a source please?

All it does is make you more aggressive and angry, much like lifting weights, sure you get bigger but so what

i dont want to be like that

>because fat niggers want to get out of the house and move to vote instead of smoke weed in the trap
wew lad

You could look at the actual numbers by race and by state instead of arguing hypothetical factors.

kff.org/other/state-indicator/adult-overweightobesity-rate-by-re/?currentTimeframe=0

Didn't realize there were lower percentages of blacks in California, Florida, and New York than the Dakotas, Iowa, and fucking Nebraska.

Maybe?

Most of the lifters I meet are pretty stupid and their politics tend to be vaguely experienced based, and mostly informed but politician's personalities, rather than based upon history or education. I think this is true of lifters as well as most human beings.

Conservatives definitely appear more "dominate" which appeals to the uneducated, insecure and narcissistic, and their reductive reasoning and self-focused messaging is easier to adopt than the more systemically focused (complex) liberal concepts of redistribution. Liberal concepts also challenge people's previously held concepts of merit. A lot of people also overestimate their own effort, believing their economic success was achieved, rather than granted, despite studies showing that inherited wealth largely determines success. People don't want to believe this, as it challenges their self-image and confidence, so it is possibly that they would use their success in sports to justify reasoning that everyone can become rich if they just try hard enough.

So, perhaps lifters would favor conservative ideals, but it would have more to do with an inflated self-image and increasing social status, rather than anything logical.

Thanks for the pic.

Well, I guess they didn't try and pin it on the Jews. That's progress, I guess.

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>Most of the lifters I meet are pretty stupid and their politics tend to be vaguely experienced based
irony
> Liberal concepts also challenge people's previously held concepts of merit. A lot of people also overestimate their own effort, believing their economic success was achieved, rather than granted, despite studies showing that inherited wealth largely determines success
if your parents want you to have a good life and prepare accordingly, it still doesnt mean schools will accept a shit student. i dont understand the disconnect between hard work and achievement that you are implying...

there's definetly a correlation but I feel it's the other way around

>don't like something
>work it to improve it
The mindset of lifters is already based on self improvement no matter where they think they are in terms of political opinions.

instead
>don't like something
>whine about it
>someone else fault / someone else fix it
That mindset don't last in the gym too long. Typical NYR that quit in a couple of weeks or a month

Cali and Florida have more hispanics than blacks, and New York has single digit percentage black population

Still have higher percentages of blacks than that whole stretch of fat as fuck Middle America states. Iowa is 1.7% black. Why isn't that shit green?

there isn't a disconnect. they are correlated. hard work does, in most cases, define success. But a ton of successful people overestimate their own merit and hard work. They tend to believe "oh it was all me" even if that isn't the reality.

> Does working out make you believe in a certain Ideology
A certain ideology is what makes people prone to need to be manly/macho to make up for short comings and insecurities.

not all of them, but a very high % of conservatives are big. its hard to argue, so why not be intimidating to get a point across when words dont quite drive it home.
>que video of preacher giving a sermon about when he punched a guy to make him believe in jesus

I know plenty of liberal/left leaning lifters that are as big as any of em. The difference is always education. Lefty is a college sports guy, righty is a warehouse worker. Lefty is a pilot, righty puts tires on wheels in a shot all day. Lefty has an MBA, righty is a district manager for speedway with a highschool education.

>tfw trump state-fun media is coming
reality doesnt matter anymore anyway so who cares

>Blacks
>Taking the time and effort to get off of their asses and vote

Pick one friend

Felons can't vote

>if your parents want you to have a good life and prepare accordingly, it still doesnt mean schools will accept a shit student. i dont understand the disconnect between hard work and achievement that you are implying...
It's because people with successful parents are able to push their kids ahead. They can afford tutors, exceptions for bad behavior, activities to reward their kids, better schools, etc.

Look at it this way: If you show up for public school and come home to an empty house because your mom works a shitty job and your dad's run off and you spend most of your time unsupervised, you're likely to end up in a shitty place. However, if your parents are wealthy and can afford a better life for you, a private school education, supervision and social rewards for studying (movies, etc.), you are likely to end up in a better place, despite that your life is actually easier than the poor kid's.

Success is rarely about merit, and usually about inheritance. Studies have proven this for, like, 100 years.

Black voter turnout is actually only marginally lower then white turnout.

electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/demographics

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It's true. Only a conservative or republican can be built like Alex or the Donald.

>That's exactly why I don't lift, it's for meatheads.
>I'll leave you guys to your "training" whilst the actual intellectuals of the world make a difference in society.
There's plenty of both anecdotal and scientific evidence that people who bother to take care of themselves are on average more intelligent, especially when compared to people who don't, they're also more likely to be so due the fact they bother to properly research things like exercise and nutrition. Also
>implying people weak of mind or body, but especially both at the same time have the strength, will and fortitude to change anything
All of the smarts you have won't do you any good if your strong enough either physically or mentally to do anything and all the strength you have won't if you have a good head on your shoulders,. and
>not wanting a strong smart Veeky Forums Veeky Forums pinnacle example of of the human race

This is totally true

But there's a sense of camaraderie with fit guys.
Like, yeah, we all know how hard you worked to look that good.
It's military-esque. Not quite the same, but in the same family.
The assumption that both people knows what the other went through and are so equal.


The true fit ideology then is Heinlein's conditional citizenship seen in Starship Troopers

There's no actual evidence that working out leads you to become more conservative.

Now there is a correlation that people who work out are conservative though. But that's classic correlation without causation.

What a douchey image. Good lord.

This is nationwide, not state by state. I'm not saying that you're wrong though, I'm actually interested now

>There's no actual evidence that working out leads you to become more conservative.
There's no evidence in this conversation.
We're just spitballing here.

But I think working out does lead to more conservative thinking because working out puts blame directly on you.
Every person can only advance through their own effort. No one can make you bigger. Only you can.

The bleeds out into other parts of your life. Only you can help yourself.
That thinking is conservative

I'm not absolutely ripped, but I bench 4 plates, and I've worked for the Dems for the past two election cycles.

I turned into a nationalist.

youtu.be/QXNxUiVZO5s

I'm a conservative Libertarian, but more Ron Paul than Gary Johnson. I don't know a single liberal at my gym or previous gyms. I'm sure they exist, I just don't know any. Seems like the vast majority are Conservative.

>tfw you'll never lift with the Golden One

This. Unless niggers and wetback are thinking with portals, they literally cant skew an entire state population.
Thats why theyre called fucking minorities.

>So, perhaps lifters would favor conservative ideals, but it would have more to do with an inflated self-image and increasing social status, rather than anything logical.
I posit the opposite. 'Conservatives' can offer logic and stability and are especially appealing to individuals who already believe in concepts like personal responsibility, honor and virtue, etc and offers a stable base within those values. 'Liberalism' offers more of what you describe along with lack of accountability, entitlement
>radishmag.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/pump-and-dump/
>radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/fair-sex/
>breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/
>breitbart.com/london/2014/12/09/the-sexodus-part-2-dishonest-feminist-panics-leave-male-sexuality-in-crisis/
>whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/

>Idolizing Hitler

Yeah, what a winner that guy was. Got his country blowed up and divided between his enemies. Got around 7 million of his people killed. Murdered a bunch of innocents so now his ideology is dirt and the word "Nazi" is a slur. Killed his dog. What a guy.

>What a douchey image. Good lord.
You're not really wrong, especially since he does become massive douche later

Pretty good orator though.

>Got around 7 million of his people killed. Murdered a bunch of innocents

>implying Hitler wasn't the reincarnated avatar of Kalki

>I'm shirtless and I got a sword but it's hi-tech and shit.

Who reads this garbage?

It definitely made me a nationalist.

Little heavy on the Jew stuff though.

I concur. Not going to lie. I think exertion towards any goal unites people. And I still hope we all make it.

>breitbart
no thx

>'Conservatives' can offer logic

Within this very thread when confronted with evidence that more conservative states are obese "logical" conservatives went straight to "blame everything on niggers". Despite minorities having little power to skew state average BMIs they went straight to pinning it on darky.

Fuck off fatty

>Who reads this garbage?
Me obviously and several other people if new chapters are still being put out. And before continuing to call to garbage are you going to
actually bother to read it and understand what it's about or just take one look one look and literally go "into the trash it goes"

>Look at this ugly person. You don't want to have the same opinion as HIM, do you?

Get fucked.

>just take one look one look and literally go "into the trash it goes"

Well, no. I'm not literally going to do that. But I'm also not going to read it. For the same reason I'm not going to watch the WUBBLE BUBBLE GIANT ORBEEZ EXPERIMENT! video trending on YouTube. No time for that.

You got me there. If you don't idolize one of history's all-time great losers, you're definitely fat.

Libertarian socialist here, not a body builder but I'm an Mma fighter

Your fatness is showing.

Totally, bro. Only superior skinny people wage two-front wars against larger, more populated countries with vastly superior production capabilities. I'm literally a walrus. Someone throw me a fish.

>implying Germany waged war on England and France
>implying Soviets weren't preparing to attack Germany and Germany did not attack preemptively
>implying Hitler did not offer peace multiple times
>implying the Zionist host of every nation did not conspire against Hitler

I remember when I was blue pilled.

Depends what kind of Republican. In my experience most classic conservatives are in shape but most of the Trump people are fatties.

>But I'm also not going to read it. For the same reason I'm not going to watch the WUBBLE BUBBLE GIANT ORBEEZ EXPERIMENT! video trending on YouTube. No time for that.
Not reading because you literally don't have time or it's personally not for you is respectable, but realistically it shouldn't take you longer than any time you'd make for any other book

>What is the Battle of Britain
>What is the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
>Durr hurr it's all the juice fault

>Anarchist
>Communist

Ummm......

Isnt Jesse the Body Ventura a bit of a lefty?

I get a bit of that impression when I listen to him talk. I dont give a shit about US politics though so im probably wrong.

>>What is the Battle of Britain
Britain declared war on Germany
youtube.com/watch?v=rtJ_zbz1NyY

>>What is the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
Stalin heralded its intended employment:

"For us, the war plans are ready... In the course of the next two months we can begin the struggle against Germany. It may surprise you that I'm telling you our war plans, but it has to be. We must take this step for our protection and take revenge for Bulgaria and Finland. There is a peace treaty with Germany, but that's just an illusion, a curtain behind which we can work."

>>Durr hurr it's all the juice fault
"Before the end of the year, an economic bloc of England, Russia, France and the U.S.A will be formed to bring the German and Italian economic systems to their knees." - Paul Dreyfus, La Vie de Tanger (May 15, 1938)

"On the 3rd of June, 1938, the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in the foremost positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that these "three sons of Israel will be sending the Nazi dictator to hell." - Joseph Trimble, The American Hebrew.

It is garbage, lost nothing by not reading it.

Reverse order for me. Nationalist then Veeky Forums

Also this

Wow, I didn't know the Unabomber posted here.

That pic straight up makes shit up

The German example in 37 can be straight up disregarded

And the ones in 2000 are obviously biased

Why aren't there any sources in the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s?

Because it's total bullshit

I can post any pic saying that cows are actually space demons

there were millions of ultra fit socialists look at these fine lads, socialist to the bone

>implying the Soviets didn't have super-human programs

>people who arent successful didnt earn it, they were gifted it
this makes me so mad. i cant believe leftists are this brainwashed.

there REALLY ARE people who are smarter than you, who work harder than you.
>inb4 "b-but muh feelings"

my mom was born in puerto rico, and her mom worked and saved money so she could go to college, my moms father died while my mom was a child. so my mom went to college and became a doctor and moved to the states and became successful. but, of course, thats not the result of my grandmother working hard, or my mother working hard, no, they were GIFTED success because of the white male patriarchy!

please. your type makes me sick. ive dealt with people like you my whole life, people who are green with envy and want to take money away from someone else because they could never earn it themselves.

>Britain declared war on Germany

Oh, shit. You've got to be kidding me. They declared war on a country that commenced a war of aggression against their allies? Fancy fucking that.

>Stalin heralded its intended employment

Oh, shit. You've got to be kidding me. Russia was taking measures to defend itself after neighboring countries were invaded as part of a German war of aggression. What an asshole!

>"On the 3rd of June, 1938, the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in the foremost positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that these "three sons of Israel will be sending the Nazi dictator to hell." - Joseph Trimble, The American Hebrew.

You mean Jews aren't terribly fond of genocidal anti-Semites? I'm flabbergasted. Clear evidence of an international Jewish conspiracy against the white race.

Fuck off, dude. Those numbers are totally legit.

>But user, how can a source from 1919 accurately testify to the makeup of the Russian central government in the 1930s?

Shut up, Heeb.

>Oh, shit. You've got to be kidding me. They declared war on a country that commenced a war of aggression against their allies? Fancy fucking that.
>Oh, shit. You've got to be kidding me. Russia was taking measures to defend itself after neighboring countries were invaded as part of a German war of aggression. What an asshole!
>You mean Jews aren't terribly fond of genocidal anti-Semites? I'm flabbergasted. Clear evidence of an international Jewish conspiracy against the white race.
>genocidal

GOOD GOY!

oh boy, it's another /pol/cucks try to convince themselves they're manly and anyone who views differently isn't, thread.
You faggots are probably the most dyel skinnyfat shits on this board.

>possibly the only Canadian libertarian there is
>1/2 Native, 1/2 European with dirty blonde hair and blue eyes
>this butt blasts both alt-right and ultra PC liberals

help

I'm fairly rightwing myself, but I haven't really started lifting yet. I just joined the gym the other day and I'm trying to figure out what I'm supposed to be doing.

Shitlibs actually think lifting weights indicates that you are lower class. Some guy wrote an article about it if you don't believe me.

psmag.com/how-the-other-half-lifts-what-your-workout-says-about-your-social-class-f04d1b70c507#.fm04plrvq

What did poor Germany do to deserve this?!?! Well, that whole murdering millions of Jews thing.

Ah yes, that magazine I've never heard of. The authoritative voice of American liberalism.

>What did poor Germany do to deserve this?!?! Well, that whole murdering millions of Jews thing.

lol good goy

Whenever a photo of this guy is posted I just can't help but laugh after seeing that autistic midget looking face. Just can't fucking stop

>the actual intellectuals
>whilst
confirmed autist

Is there anything in the world more ridiculous than anti-Semitism? An ideology which would have you believe that Jews, who constitute less than 1% of the world population, somehow control the media, the global financial system, and the majority of national governments, but are are nevertheless inferior to some guy in rural Wyoming wearing a camouflage hat and posting his manifesto on Stormfront with all the other fuck ups who blame other people for their personal failings.

good goy