Be Jew

>be a jew
>get thrown into eagle and bear cage

>be Jew
>get wanked to death by Hitler

i know that all those posts are b8, but dogs like this actualy exist

>be Jew
>get spanked by Nazi robot

>be Jew
>get put into Nazi roller coaster of death

his story is not recognized or used by any real historiographers, his name as Moshe Peer is not found on sources like Yad Vashem or the USHMM, and in fact googling him only brings up denier articles.

Deniers turn him into an icon, when he's just a guy who got his 5 minutes of fame back in 1993 on one lousy tabloid article, and does not seem to have been active since besides publishing a book ("Unforgettable Bergen-Belsen", Montreal, 1993). Deniers also claim that he still "tours Canada talking to children, telling them of the horrors of the death camps", but provide no proof. And if they had proof, this does not change the fact that nobody, both holocaust scholars or even uneducated simple-folks (seriously, had any of you heard about him before stepping into the world of denial/anti denial? By the way deniers talk about him, they make him look like Anne Frank), care about him.

>cherry-picking of certain things that have little in common with established holocaust historiography, in order to discredit established holocaust historiography.
Take note how the majority of them are from novels and newspapers penned by journalists sitting in an office with little knowledge of history (or even survivors for that matter, a tiny fraction of which turned out to be frauds like Joseph Hirt, Misha Defonesca, Herman Rosenblat...) rather than major holocaust historians like Reitlinger, Hilberg, Dawidowicz, Arad, Gutman, Laqueur, Franciszek Piper, Tomasz Kranz, Kuwalek, Andrzej Strzelecki, Henryk Swiebocki, Piotr Setkiewicz, Janina Kielbon, Andrej Angrick, Götz Aly, Christian Gerlach, Peter Longerich, Dieter Pohl, Thomas Sandkühler, Robert Van Pelt, Jacek Mlynarczyk, Bodgan Musial, Tim Cole, Martin Dean, Donald Bloxham, Michael Thad Allen, Rebecca Wittmann, Robert Gellately, Ian Kershaw, Richard J. Evans, Richard Overy, Adam Tooze, Christopher Browning, John Zimmerman, Roberto Muehlenkamp, Nick Terry, Sergey Romanov, and a whole host of others.

For instance, I am still waiting for a denier to systematically tear apart Raul Hilberg's 1200+ page The Destruction of European Jewry, chapter by chapter.

where are the graves?

These jews were pretty tough, no wonder the nazis wanted them dead

A shekel for a good goy

good goy Hitler, knew that Jews are responsible for Germany loosing WW1, but built luxurious camps for them and more died under supposed Jew-controlled Soviets than under Hitler

the existence of fake or unreliable Holocaust witnesses no more disproves the Holocaust than the existence of the fake or exaggerating Vietnam war vets disproves the Vietnam war. Irrelevant.
Sure, there are some fake witnesses. Who ever doubted it? For almost any significant event such people are bound to appear. Their existence has no bearing on the historicity of the event itself.

>No argument
Damn, you got me goyim.

Moving the goalposts.

>there were 200k Jews in German so that means they couldn't have killed millions
yikes

>good goyim, don't deny the holocaust
>good goyim, deny the holocaust
Peas in a fucking pod. Cut it out.

fucking hell are you even aware that the holocaust was carried out mostly against the ostjuden right? And that Jewish casualties of Poland alone were about 2.5 miillion? seriously fucking neck yourself you historically illiterate stormnigger

There's no photographic evidence of a functioning gas chamber.

nor is there photographic evidence of rape of Germany or bombing of Dresden

>The World Almanac points out that only 240,000 Jews were living in Germany in 1938.
You're not really this dumb are you?
The vast majority of murdered Jews were NOT German. They came from the occupied territories like Poland and the Soviet Union, and the Hungarians deported many of their Jews to Germany. Literally the dumbest fucking revisionist """Argument""".

What do you mean "functioning" gas chamber? What is there to function?

No photos of a gas chamber dating from the time period, with or without prisoners in them.

You are right but we have pics of the aftermath. What's the aftermath of gassing? We have only "survivors."

>why dont they put photographer into the room with several dozens of people that are about to get killed by gas

do we?

and thousand of corpses, and accoutns by germans and also neutral account by brit pow

Again, you're moving the goalposts.

kek i remember some guy calling those to be potential dissenters or some shit which justifies killing them

The point is that they have lied and gone back on so many things that unless they have concrete evidence there is no reason to belive it. Hell 15 years ago jew soap and lampshades where in school history books. The "it was real in my mind" is also a great example.

>We have only "survivors."
No, "we" do not. There was at least one incident where a child survived a gassing under a pile of bodies but they were shot after being found.

Who is "they"?

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ie/2017/11/nazi-shrunken-heads-human-skin.html

The "experts". And im not even claiming it didn't happened, just that they have to lie to exagurate it and it makes me question surtian things about it.

Who is "the experts"? Can you provide some genuine examples of academics lying or exaggerating? And none of this cherry-picking of certain things that have little in common with established holocaust historiography, like newspaper articles

>there weren't 6 million Jews in Germany proper, therefore the Holocaust is a lie

So this is the power of stormfag proofs. Oof.

...

The changing number of alleged dead at Auschwitz:

9,000,000 Cited by the French documentary, Night and Fog, which has been shown to millions of school students worldwide.

8,000,000 The French War Crime Research Office, Doc. 31, 1945.

7,000,000 Also cited by the French War Crime Research Office.

6,000,000 Cited in the book “Auschwitz Doctor” by Miklos Nyiszli. It has since been proven that this book is a fraud and the "doctor" was never even at Auschwitz, even though the book is often cited by historians.

5,000,000 to 5,500,000 Cited in 1945 at the trial of Auschwitz commander Rudolf Hoess, based on his “confession” which was written in English, a language he never spoke.

5,000,000 Cited on April 20, 1978 by the French daily, Le Monde. Also cited on January 23, 1995 by the German daily Die Welt. By September 1, 1989, Le Monde reduced the figure to 1,433,000.

4,500,000 In 1945 this figure was cited by another witness at the aforementioned Hoess trial.

4,000,000 Cited by a Soviet document of May 6, 1945 and officially acknowledged by the Nuremberg War Crimes trial. This figure was also reported in The New York Times on April 18, 1945, although 50 years later on January 26, 1995 (see below), The New York Times and The Washington Post slashed the figure to 1,500,000 citing new findings by the Auschwitz Museum officials. In fact, the figure of 4,000,000 was later repudiated by the Auschwitz museum officials in 1990 (see below) but the figure of 1,500,000 victims was not formally announced by Polish President Lech Walesa until five years after the Auschwitz historians had first announced their discovery.

500,000 Cited in the 1991 edition of the Dictionary of the French Language and by Claude Lanzmann in 1980 in his introduction to Filip Muller's book, “Three Years in an Auschwitz Gas Chamber.”

3,000,000 Cited in a forced confession by Rudolf Hoess, the Auschwitz commander who said this was the number of those who had died at Auschwitz prior to Dec. 1, 1943. Later cited in the June 7, 1993 issue of Heritage, the most widely read Jewish newspaper in California, even though three years previously the authorities at the Auschwitz museum had scaled down the figure to a minimum of 1,100,000 and a maximum of 1,500,000. (see below).

2,500,000 Cited by a famous "witness to the Holocaust," Rudolf Vrba, when he testified on July 16, 1981 for the Israeli government's war crimes trial of former SS official Adolf Eichmann.

2,000,000 Cited by no less than three famous Holocaust historians, including Leon Poliakov (1951) writing in “Harvest of Hate”; Georges Wellers, writing in 1973 in “The Yellow Star at the Time of Vichy”; and Lucy Dawidowicz, writing in 1975 in “The War Against the Jews.”

2,000,000 to 4,000,000 Cited by Israeli historian Yehuda Bauer in 1982 in his book, “A History of the Holocaust.” However, by 1989 Bauer revised his figures and determined that the actual number was lower: 1,600,000.

1,600,000 This is a 1989 revision by Israeli historian Yehuda Bauer of his earlier figure in 1982 of 2,000,000 to 4,000,000, Bauer cited this new figure on September 22, 1989 in The Jerusalem Post, at which time he wrote' 'The larger figures have been dismissed for years, except that it hasn't reached the public yet."

1,500,000 In 1995 this was the “official" number of Auschwitz deaths announced by Polish President Lech Walesa as determined by the historians at the Auschwitz museum. This number was inscribed on the monument at the Auschwitz camp at that time, thereby "replacing" the earlier 4,000,000 figure that had been formally repudiated (and withdrawn from the monument) five years earlier in 1990. At that time, on July 17, 1990 The Washington Times reprinted a brief article from The London Daily Telegraph citing the "new" figure of 1,500,000 that had been determined by the authorities at the Auschwitz museum. This new figure was reported two years later in a UPI report published in the New York Post on March 26, 1992. On January 26, 1995 both The Washington Post and The New York Times cited this 1,500,000 figure as the new "official" figure (citing the Auschwitz Museum authorities).

1,471,595 This is a 1983 figure cited by historian Georges Wellers who (as noted previously) had determined, writing in 1973, that some 2,000,000 had died. In his later calculation, Wellers decided that of the 1,471,595 who had died at Auschwitz, 1,352,980 were Jews.

1,433,000 This figure was cited on September 1, 1989 by the French daily, Le Monde, which earlier, on April 20, 1978, had cited the figure at 4,000,000.

1,250,000 In 1985, historian Raul Hilberg arrived at this figure in his book, “The Destruction of the European Jews.” According to Hilberg, of those dead, some 1,000,000 were Jews.

...

1,100,000 to 1,500,000 Sources for this estimate are historians Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum (later of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum) in their 1984 book, “Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp”; also Dr. Franciszek Piper, the curator of the Auschwitz Museum, writing a chapter in that book. This estimate was later also cited by Walter Reich, former director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, writing in The Washington Post on September 8, 1998. The upper figure of 1,500,000 thus remains the "official" figure as now inscribed at Auschwitz, with the earlier figure of 4,000,000 having been removed from the memorial at the site of the former concentration camp.

1,000,000 Jean-Claude Pressac, writing in his 1989 book “Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers.” This is interesting since he wrote his book to repudiate so-called "Holocaust deniers" who were called that precisely because they had questioned the numbers of those who had died at Auschwitz.

900,000 Reported on August 3, 1990 11, by Aufbau, a Jewish newspaper in New York.

800,000 to 900,000 Reported by Gerald Reitlinger in his 1953 book, “The Final Solution.” This figure is notable, considering the fact that it reduces the Auschwitz death total from the 4,000,000 figure that was widely in vogue in 1953.

Why have the revisionist cucks stopped responding? Have you all scampered back to /pol/ to prepare your next EBIN Holocaust thread on Veeky Forums with redpill infographics that have been debunked years ago?

I wonder how many of these are even real. For example this:
>4,000,000 Cited by a Soviet document of May 6, 1945 and officially acknowledged by the Nuremberg War Crimes trial.
Is false. Interesting how it doesn't cite any source (no page, no document).

775,000 to 800,000 Jean-Claude Pressac's revised figure, put forth in his 1993 book, “The Crematoria of Auschwitz: The Mass Murder's Machinery”, scaling down the figure from Pressac's 1989 claim of 1,000,000 dead. At this juncture, Pressac said that of the new number, 630,000 were Jews.

630,000 to 710,000 In 1994 Pressac scaled his figure down somewhat further; this is the figure cited in the German language translation of Pressac's 1993 book originally published in French. Again, this is substantially less than Pressac's 1989 figure of 1,000,000.

73,137 This figure was reported in The New York Times on March 3, 1991 and was based entirely on the wartime German concentration camp records that had been captured by the Soviets and just recently released. According to this figure, of those dead, 38,031 were Jews. These records state that the total of all persons who died in the ENTIRE German prison camp system from 1935 to 1945 were 403,713. To repeat: a total of 403,713 persons of all races and religions was officially recorded to have died (of all causes. typhus, old age, measles, etc.-and execution) in the entire prison camp system over a 10 year period. Of those 403,713 a total of 73,137 died at Auschwitz. Of those 73,137 who died at Auschwitz, 38,031 were Jews.

the plaque never said those were 4 million Jews. So there is no mathematical contradiction whatsoever.
the Communists never claimed that all Auschwitz victims were Jewish; the Soviet Auschwitz report didn't mention this, there was an oblique reference to "not less than 4,000,000 citizens of the USSR, Poland, France, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Rumania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Holland, Belgium, and other countries", but that's it.

Also, history is not written by plaques. While some survivors did accept the exaggerated Soviet figures, most Western historians didn't. While initially Rudolf Höss claimed higher figures, in the end he settled on a crude estimate of 1.1 million Jewish victims, which more or less corresponds to what we know today.

The exaggerated Soviet Auschwitz estimate was never a part of the Jewish death toll estimates arriving at between 5 and 6 million victims.

Were there a handful of crematoriums? Yep. Millions were interned in POW camps at various times. They were good-sized cities and typhus (what Anne Frank died of towards the end of the war in March of 1945) was rampant. It was a necessity.

Enough to cremate gorzilllions in 3 years? Nope. Not even close, a ridiculous proposition. In fact the handful there actually were were multiplied many times over by fake ones built post-war... and still not anywhere close to enough. This is all thoroughly documented. Plus it's basic math.

Were jews treated for disease and delousing? Yep.

Were jews "gassed" in some sort of overly complicated Rube Goldberg method of mass killing? Nope.

Did jews die? Yep. Especially towards the end of the war as there wasn't enough food and supplies to take care of the Germans themselves, much less jew POWs. Why do you think the allies found camps full of ALIVE albeit starving jews? And the dead jews found, dead due to starvation? GASSING DOESN'T MAGICALLY MAKE YOU SKINNY.

Did 6 jews million die? Nope. Again, basic math in regards to the jew population post-war. 300,000-900,000 died in camps do to a combination of disease and starvation. There was NO multi-million scale organized mass killing of jews.

Is history written by the victors? Yep.

Has the holohoax been used to maintain and expand jew control upon the world? Yep.

Is jew power linchpinned to this fabrication and this is why kikes conduct a continual propaganda spin campaign? Yep.

And they are fully prepared to do so for the next 1,000 years.

the holocaust didnt fucking happen. wake up, white man.

I see Stormfags got tired of getting BTFO on the Haiti thread so they moved back to Holocaust denial copypasting of debunked infographics

So this is your tactic? Just shitpost and doesn't even bother to respond? Should I report your thread?

>in the end he settled on a crude estimate of 1.1 million Jewish victims, which more or less corresponds to what we know today.
So you admit the six million was a lie?

>Especially towards the end of the war as there wasn't enough food and supplies to take care of the Germans themselves, much less jew POWs.
When the Allies reached the Nazi death camps in Germany, they found the SS personnel well-fed and well-dressed, and the local population was often not undergoing serious hardship, relatively speaking. (On the other hand, the German population in the big cities did suffer a lot.) This is clearly attested to in the film footage of the liberation of the camps, where one can see the people in the nearby towns and villages, which the American soldiers brought over to the camps so they can witness what happened. None of them are starved.
There is also a famous photograph of some plump SS women being captured at Bergen-Belsen. Tens of thousands of prisoners starved at Belsen. If you've seen a film of emaciated corpses being bulldozed into mass graves, it was probably taken at Belsen. The contrast to the well-fed SS women is quite remarkable. Scenes from the liberation of Bergen-Belsen demonstrate this beyond question.
At the Belsen camp, hundreds of tons of food were found locked up, just a few miles away from where tens of thousands starved to death.
Also, hardly any of the Allied prisoners from Western nations starved to death; there were people that the Nazis wanted to keep alive, and there were people they preferred dead. A great number of Soviet POW's died -- over three million -- for this reason.
bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/TrialTranscript/Trial_Day_004.html

>Why do you think the allies found camps full of ALIVE albeit starving jews? And the dead jews found, dead due to starvation? GASSING DOESN'T MAGICALLY MAKE YOU SKINNY.
Nobody claims those were gassing victims. Gassing victims were usually disposed of through cremation almost immediately.

>73,137 This figure was reported in The New York Times on March 3, 1991 and was based entirely on the wartime German concentration camp records that had been captured by the Soviets and just recently released. According to this figure, of those dead, 38,031 were Jews. These records state that the total of all persons who died in the ENTIRE German prison camp system from 1935 to 1945 were 403,713. To repeat: a total of 403,713 persons of all races and religions was officially recorded to have died (of all causes. typhus, old age, measles, etc.-and execution) in the entire prison camp system over a 10 year period. Of those 403,713 a total of 73,137 died at Auschwitz. Of those 73,137 who died at Auschwitz, 38,031 were Jews.
I'm trying to find this. Any source of those records? Naturally only the death of people used for slave labor were recorded, but I still wonder about those records.

1.1 million in Auschwitz.

Nobody claimed that 6 million Jews died at Auschwitz. You're a brainlet.

1.1 million at Auschwitz, 5.5 - 6.5 million in Eurasia.

ITT: /pol/acks getting BTFO. Again

Wasn't Pressac the guy who changed his opinions when he saw the original documents in Auschwitz?

>This is all thoroughly documented.
The documentation shows that you're a liar. It is well documented that the Germans used funeral pyres to dispose of bodies when the crematoria were overburdened.

>Gassing victims were usually disposed of through cremation almost immediately.
Where is your evidence for this? Where is your evidence that there were any gassings at all?

Oh, I get it. It's the amount of death certificates issued by the Nazis.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ie/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html
Index of Published Evidence on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau

Funny thing there's way more documents. When these kind of threads began people (usually the guy from the pic) was posting that set of documents and with time more people joined with links and evidence. I posted a couple myself. Not even a topic that interests me but if /pol/ keeps talking about it it must mean a lot to them so ruining it is a pleasure.

I just looked up the Posen speech and the amount of assblasted /pol/niggers whining "FAKE" in the comments is just glorious.

About a million eyewitnesses.

Stormfags can't count.

It seems so plausible that the prisoners in the camps starved or got sick and died because of allied bombing. The whole lampshade, gas chamber, mountains of ash, self igniting corpses, burning 8000 corpses a day, roller-coasters made of baby jew bones is so absurd that I literally cannot believe it, it defies reason.

>special treatment=gassing
Oh boy

>Einsatzgruppen
>soldiers
Jesus Christ, you guys are full retarded. You don't even know your OWN narrative. They weren't fucking soldiers. Most of them were policemen (Orpo), SD or Gestapo.

>complain about ad hominem
>insult people for asking questions regarding your arguments
every fucking time

>believing (((eyewitnesses)))
Hahahahaha

/pol/ack logic:
-unsourced smoloko-style holocaust "debunking" images?
>at last i see the truth! It was da joos all along!

-real documents and/or sourced material proving the holocaust was indeed real?
>FAKE FAKE FAKE!! YOU'RE A KIKE SHILL REEEEEEEE

Well, special treatment for mentally ill meant gassing or lethal injection. What it meant for Jews then?

>This one is fake, therefore we can't trust all this other stuff either

Mods, please start banning these /pol/tards.

>Einsatzgruppen was a normal military unit nothing to see here...

fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

Ignore that.

A million eyewitnesses, including Germans, Poles, and Jews, and the only counterargument you can make are a few parenthesis. I'll take that as an admission of defeat, I guess.

please no, these threads are fucking gold, i always enjoy seeing /pol/acks getting demolished

And how do you know that?
youtube.com/watch?v=A7wwArD6MTc

Well, allies bombing the camps is definitely fake. Most people died before the allies bombed any camps, and not only Jews. Rosenberg himself stated that hundreds of thousands Soviet POWs starved or were killed in 1941 alone.

Holy shit imagine being THIS dumb. I honestly feel sorry for you.

>A Daily Mail article is proof enough for stormfags but testimonies from literally thousands of people and a plethora of other evidence is not enough when it comes to the Holocaust

Okay, so Aktion T4 was also fake? Including Hitler's order?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

That was a shock to learn on /pol/ that deniers believe that

1. All documents started appearing long after the war

2. It all relies on a couple testimonies of Jews while all other nations knew nothing about it.

To the chosen ITT is it that important to you that 6 million jews were tortured to death and gassed by nazis?

> self igniting corpses, roller-coasters made of baby jew bones
Historians don't take these things seriously either
You need to read less Stormfront

>inb4 "lol you read (((wikipedia))) good goy"

I M A G I N E

>Allied bombers went around rounding up and shooting Jews in bumfuck nowhere villages in Eastern Europe
Ho boy can't wait for some Stormween to post that Yugoslavian partisans meme

All Jewish witnesses are paid liars, all German witnesses are tortured souls

But that is not what historians claim. You are taking sensationalist fake accounts from 1950s opportunists trying to make money and pretending that's the official narrative, when it's not.

It would be as if, 50 years from now, someone took a 2003 conspiracy website claiming 9/11 planes were holograms as evidence, to claim this was impossible because complex homograms hadn't been invented yet, and thus use this to "prove" that 911 never happened and all those people at the Twin Towers never died.

It's called a strawman fallacy - Distort your opponent's claim, replace it with a shittier version that is easier to debunk, and use that debunking as proof.

No, but it's important to me that alongside them hundreds of thousands of my countrymen and women.