Was slavery really worth it?

>so 0.00001% of population can do nothing and profit from it

You do realize there was a legitimate shortage of manpower all around to work all those cash crops right? That's why slavery was profitable in the first place.

>hurr muh rich people do nothing

Whatever you dumbass commie.

Being stuck with niggers running about doing as they please is obviously too big of a downside. If only the Arab method had been followed.

Deporting all the blacks would've prevented self-hatred indoctrination in the West.

>criminal niggers
They imported slaves to work like animals on their plantations, you idiot. If you don't do it you go bankrupt and instead of living in a huge house with servants you'll live like an ordinary person. And I doubt anyone expected that one day all those blacks with be equal citizens.

>You do realize that X, right?
Jesus fuck stop writing like a redditor. And slavery was profitable only to the people who actually owned massive plantations, a tiny fraction of society.
>hurr muh rich people do nothing
They did literally nothing.

>>hurr muh rich people do nothing
>Whatever you dumbass commie.

Whether they're equal citizens or not doesn't matter. They weren't equal in Rhodesia or South Africa or Haiti and look what happened anyway. When you have that many niggers around you, you are ROYALLY FUCKED regardless of them having a right to vote or not.

>ITT Southerners defend their interracial cuckold society
Every time

The most success I’ve had with white women was in the South so you may have a point.

They were all Conservative country chicks too.

Go away, Satan

Literally this. The racist fuckheads on /pol/ know deep down what's coming. Black Lives Matter is incredibly popular with young people and Democrats won't be kept out of office forever.

When the worm turns next, we're gutting the fucking police and breaking the chain. It's already happening in major cities ordering new controls, throwing up tons of red tape, demoralizing white cops into early retirement.

Blacks will finally be free to finish Reconstruction by doing whatever the fuck they want to white people and the entire justice system will look the other way.

The only true way to break white supremacy forever is if racists experience a fraction of the terror and theft they've inflicted on everybody who isn't a white male for centuries.

Not that other guy but I bet you're actually just a self-loathing white guy larping as a black dude.

Don't reply to obvious shitposters

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>we
You're as white as the rest of us faggot

In hindsight it was not FPBP desu and not sending niggers back to Africa after the war was the second biggest mistake in American history.

>not sending niggers back to Africa after the war
This is a /pol/ meme, just fyi.

No, and it was economically a stupid idea too. Funny how society at large gave up economic gains just to have people in chains.

Would feudalism have been better for America than slavery?

Enjoy starving to death like Zimbabwe stupid nigger.

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No, but saving pregnant Anne Frank is.

>duke of california inherits nevada and oregon
no you fucking brainlet
if you got hit by a car today it would be the best night of my life
>inb4 this is fine desu

The economic gains were BECAUSE of the people in chains.

Well european peasants would be much better crop pickers than niggers.

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it was about more than slavery

They aren’t as well acclimated to the enviroment, the Negro is perfect for chattel slavery.

Negros were horrid slaves, all lazy as shit.

Well they were niggers work beyond hunting animals is alien to their brains.

So the man in the suit is a Jew?

No, they were in spite of.

It's a myth that slavery is profitable. It actually costs the economy money in the long run because the masters have to support the slaves with a large amount of their own crop with no profit to themselves to show for it, than if they were to give them money for their labor and receive it in turn for their goods.

Class is in session

Why did y*nks lose more men despite having more industry and technology? Why are y*nkees so bad at fighting?

IM PICKLE REEEEEEEEEEEEE

To add on to this: it is because then the workers of the farm would go on to purchase other productive services, thus spurring production and investment in those directions, that slavery inherently cost the economic system progress.

>Muh cash crops, cotton was 85% of US exports! Slaves built America
>Read Grand Strategy of Political Economy, exports were 6% of US GDP going into the civil war.

Slave manpower was used to let richfucks live in luxury. It was a gigantic mistake that we are still paying for.

The South had all of the generals, so Lincoln just broke them down with attrition. I'll be the first to admit, we Yankees are not a fighting people. Southrons are clearly our superiors in that regard, likely as a result of your negro- I mean, """cherokee""" ancestors.

Slavery? No.
But states rights? Yes.
>inb4
Yes, I know, they only cared about slavery.

>The civil war didn’t start as a war for slavery

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>Secede
>Refuse to offer even an informal explanation as to why

Why did this happen?

>DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND ORDINANCE dissolving the federal relations between the State of Tennessee and the United States of America.
>First. We, the people of the State of Tennessee, waiving any expression of opinion as to the abstract doctrine of secession, but asserting the right, as a free and independent people, to alter, reform, or abolish our form of government in such manner as we think proper, do ordain and declare that all the laws and ordinances by which the State of Tennessee became a member of the Federal Union of the United States of America are hereby abrogated and annulled, and that all the rights, functions, and powers which by any of said laws and ordinances were conveyed to the Government of the United States, and to absolve ourselves from all the obligations, restraints, and duties incurred thereto; and do hereby henceforth become a free, sovereign, and independent State.
>Second. We furthermore declare and ordain that article 10, sections 1 and 2, of the constitution of the State of Tennessee, which requires members of the General Assembly and all officers, civil and military, to take an oath to support the Constitution of the United States be, and the same are hereby, abrogated and annulled, and all parts of the constitution of the State of Tennessee making citizenship of the United States a qualification for office and recognizing the Constitution of the United States as the supreme law of this State are in like manner abrogated and annulled.
>Third. We furthermore ordain and declare that all rights acquired and vested under the Constitution of the United States, or under any act of Congress passed in pursuance thereof, or under any laws of this State, and not incompatible with this ordinance, shall remain in force and have the same effect as if this ordinance had not been passed.
>Sent to referendum 6 May 1861 by the legislature, and approved by the voters by a vote of 104,471 to 47,183 on 8 June 1861.

Where did they get this idea from? In Africa if you didnt work they would just torture you or kill you.

It built the United States of America but is now blamed entirely on the South. So it was definitely worth it, blame has been successfully shifted, or at least had been, things are changing these days.

Remember that USA had slavery for a century, CSA had slavery for half a decade.

no because the jews are the IWW

>labor shortage
>maybe we should raise raise wages for our laborers to attract more workers for the north
>nah let’s keep important and breeding African slaves, that’ll be good for society.

What the fuck is Arkansas problem? What the fuck did it secede for if it wasn't for: Slavery, Lincoln's Tyranny, State's Rights, or Racial reasons?

Can someone give me a run down on Arkansas I am legitimately confused.

No, it was not worth it.

The Civil War was about slavery and started because of slavery. And I can say that with confidence because every political wedge issue in the US for the 20 years leading up to the Civil War revolved around the slavery question.

Right but the Union didn't fight in order to end slavery.

The South fought to keep slavery, the North fought to keep the South.

Why is Louisiana so tsundere when it comes to slavery?

>Louisiana seceded for no reason
Coincidentally it also exists for no reason.

Yes but slavery is the reason the war happened in the first place.

It's the reason the South seceded, because they sensed that the USA was about to implement policies that would gradually diminish their economic power until they lost their slaves and their ability to lobby for slavery.

The North didn't go to a war footing to end slavery in the months before the South seceded, they went to war to restore the Union in the months after they seceded. No secession means the Union continues to support slavery for a few more decades.

This kind of slavery was American, not Southern, it was just strongest in the South. That's the important point here. Freeing the slaves was a tactic, not a war goal.

Would it be possible to ship all the slaves back to Africa around the 1860s under some circumstances?

>sorry we took you from your home bro
>now get out of your home bro

So would it be possible for South to win and then rejoin the union, with more respect for states rights?

In the confederacy they would have been the only Kansas.

No, but that's the south for you

Logistically, no. Slaves were a majority of the population in some areas of the south by then, it would take herculean effort and probably more shipping than the US could muster at the time to do so.

Also, as we learned in Liberia, african-americans had no built-up immunity to local diseases and died in droves after arrival. Even if what you were proposing was logistically sound, it would have been tantamount to genocide.

Would be better for both whites and blacks.
Could even pay them reparations, it would be far cheaper in the long run than spending money on gibs, expanding prisons and militarizing the police because of their crime.

>stay in our country you hate living in at our expense bro

they seceded after the war started because they wanted to support the CSA

>was having access to immobile, cheap labor that could not refuse your orders worth it?
Yes

American slavery was quasi feudalism.

Most slave masters I read about at the time said they actually worked pretty hard. But the problem with slavery is you can't motivate people to put in the extra mile beyond avoiding punishment, because they're at the bottom of the social ladder and have little or nothing to gain from being Negro of the Month.

Feudalism was better, because the feudal serfs were kept in a single place. It built genuine communities and I unironically think feudalism is much better than (((capitalism))) and (((communism))) which deracinate people and break families apart.
Slavery was retarded, as slaves were just being traded around like cattle.

War isn't about k/d ratios. It's about accomplishing your objectives.

My source is Freehling's "Road to Disunion", what's yours?

>little or nothing to gain from being Negro of the Month
Many slaves who worked smart and made a shitload of money were able to buy themselves freedom. One of the richest plantation owners in South Carolina was a freed slave, he also bought freedom for his entire family.
People really have a distorted view of slavery like it was nothing but a cruel master whipping negroes around until they fall dead from picking cotton 24/7, a huge number of slaves were house servants and even clerks or skilled laborers.

>genuine communities

Nigger, medieval feudalism was an unstable system tainted with frequent infighting between lords, power struggles between lords and kings, resentment over inheritance and succession, poor education compared to before and after the middle ages, very high rural crime rates, peasant revolts, famines, and armies where the vast majority of soldiers just worked for $$$ instead of any real loyalty and turned on their former employers after victory. It was a fucking mess.

t. Amerimutt who learned everything about the Middle Ages from Gay of Thrones

>have slave farm your land
+don't have to pay him
-have to buy him
-have to pay to feed him
-have to pay to clothe him
-have to pay someone to track him down when he runs away
-have to pay someone to watch him to make sure he does his job
-will only work just hard enough to not get beaten for loafing
-may have to kill him if he gets fed up with such a terrible life
-morally unjustifiable

>hire professional farmhand to work your land
+pay based on production, so will work hard
-have to pay him (but it costs less than you would pay to keep a slave)

Adam Smith was the first economist to really crunch the numbers and run a cost benefit analysis on slavery back in the 1770's, he found it to be an inefficient economic model. You make more money with sharecroppers or professional farmhands.

Out of all African nations doesn't Liberia super suck the U.S dick? I remember when the Gulf War happened some Liberian warlords wanted to fight for the U.S.

>Be a freedman
>Get richer than your local white neighbors
>Get lynched
Nice day.

Hey man, as long as you're not denying that Slavery was the key issue (the Confederate Constitution is clear about that), then I'm happy to have a sensible discussion about the topic.

i read this in rick's voice. i guess we reddit now

There were less than 5000 lynchings in the entire history of the US, and millions of free blacks. Do the math.

>It's a myth that slavery is profitable.
hmmmmmm.... is that why after the british emancipated their slaves in the west indies sugar and cotton production plummeted while cuban slave sugar and american tobacco and cotton boomed with prices doubling every decade? REALLY makes me think, you know? Maybe orthocuck liberal economic theory doesn't play out in practice?

Yes. If it weren't for slavery, how else would Dems have an iron grip on the black vote by handing out gibs to them along with an empty promise that it will get them out of poverty in exchange for a vote?

>Britain bans slavery, becomes extremely rich
>Brazil does not, stays a poor shithole
The reality is that places that took longer to ban slavery (this includes the South) ended up being undeveloped shitholes.

>Many slaves
a tiny minority of exceptional cases*

so jamaica and the myriad caribbean islands could have just up and industrialized and gotten a leg up on a country (britain) that had a century of groundwork laid for a huge industrial expansion, facilitated by heavily protectionist policies (of which adam smith supported himself as in the national interest)? really tingles my meninges...

>a tiny minority of exceptional cases
There was over a million of free blacks in 1860, tiny minority my ass.

did you pull that inflated number out of your ass by any chance? you also realize half of them were in the north aka freed in state emancipation or by escaping from the south?

>Adam Smith supported protectionist policies
HAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAAHAHAH

No

Jamaica was a British posession, idiot.
And there were several countries that industrialized rather quickly, Italy for example.

>b-b-ut noo! iz not true. le economic man who was manipulated by a generation of neoclassical economists in the late 19th century to appear to be the supreme gentleman of laissez faire was actually a man who contradicted my tendentious readings of his work, reinforced by the orthodoxy of my professors in school!

Yeah okay, go ahead and show me a quote saying Adam Smith supported protectionist policies.

IIRC there is a moment in The Wealth of Nations where Adam Smith makes some concessions towards the ideas of protectionism because he says it might be beneficial for political concerns, but this is an obvious concession anyone would make. The whole idea of him writing The Wealth of Nations was that protectionist policies actually make the countries that undertake them suffer a loss for productivity and potential growth.