How come Italians failed to recreate the Roman Empire?

the biggest and most effective piece of anti-italian propaganda ever made

Because they were too italian.

But then how come the Persians kept making new Persian Empires but the Italians failed with their new Roman Empires?

You do realise that romans as a people died out and that germanic peoples replaced them.

It would be like the english taking over china and calling themselfs the new chinese empire or some sheit

The Italian peninsular had declined as the center of Roman power, and the Eastern Roman empire got its shit kicked in by the muslims.
And Italy fragmented into smaller states who kept each other in check, they also spent a couple of centuries subjugated by East France/The Holy Roman Empire whilst the Persians were almost always ruled by one hegemon.

How was this proposed map any more ambitious than Britain or France's Empires?

not true. the Germanics were assimilated in nearly every case by the far larger Latin-speaking populations they conquered

Should have never alllied with h*tler and just sticked with this

Because they're Italians. Italians are the Wimp Lows of History
>bbbbut Venice and Florence and muh Pope
Disconnected city-states aren't pan-Italian

In a word France

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Lombards#Fall_of_the_kingdom

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Wars#Second_Italian_War_or_King_Louis_XII's_War_(1499–1504)

It kicked the shit out of Italy many times during key phases of what could of been Italian unification.

thats a meme map and you know it

What if Italy managed to unite in the Middle Ages? Would they've been a colonial power like England? Would they crusade in North Africa? Halt Ottoman expansion?

If we are going by the point were it almost happened... likely still get conquered by France during the Carolingian dynasty.

See pic. It is a bit misleading because the two north Byzantine areas were client state rather then part of the empire.

Charlemagne wet to war with the gray area because he did not like the idea of it some day taking Rome. He did even with him already had another major war in what is now days Germany. If he had not invented then he would faced a stronger foe and had no allies in theater. But he could of fought that war fully focused.

If we are talking about later on during say the 12th or 13th century we have a different issue that makes it unlikely. The maritime republics that we all know of were the largest creators of wealth in the region. Helping each other to control the area may of been in there best interest in the long term but was very much against their short term interest. It likely just would not happen in that time frame.

> hat if Italy managed to unite in the Middle Ages? Would they've been a colonial power like England? Would they crusade in North Africa? Halt Ottoman expansion?

It think that crusade in North Africa would be the most likely of those options if early unification had happened.

because the Persians didn't have to attack countries that were stronger and bigger than them to make an empire?

>we will never live in the Rome-Vienna-Budapest axis timeline
what's the point of living

Losing half of Albania in months is anti-Italian propaganda?

i was joking

nationalism didn't exist in the Middle Ages so that's an inane scenario.

Did I even mention nationalism? The English state was formed based on feudal structures, not nationalism. Something similar could've happened in Italy hypothetically.

Carbs.
Early Romans only ate meat.
Italishits only eat pasta, hence they become too heavy drowsy and inefficient.

>italians only eating pasta

That's the most American post i've ever seen on here

>France during the Carolingian dynasty
WE

It is not. Do not listen to him, he's just one of many angloboos assholes on this board.

what is panem dumb nigger

Military and industrial incopetence mainly. Mussoliny didnt put nearly enough work into militarizing the country properly. Nor did hitler tbqh

tomatoes are known to cause weakness and laziness in men

...were the military super power of the region for most of its history?...have clear cultural & political links to a series of states in the same region?

Or is it a issue of using the term France as a state before the rise of Hugh Capet? Would you feel less like uses that old meme if I said "The Kingdom of Franks"?

Lumbards are no longer germanic desu.

Italy as a civil unit existed since the Roman Republic.

Yes.

No mutt, they had the capabilities but lacked in natural resourced. That's why Hitler decided to take the oil rich-caucasus and Stalingrad instead of wasting men in Moscow and Leningrad.

Fine they eat pizza too. My point still stands.

If the Axis had won WW2 we would not be nearly as committed to the humanitarian meme as we currently are.
>African colony revolts
>Kill 5,000,000 civilians
>Colony stops revolting

didnt work really well in - well - all the colonies

Yes it did
USA, Canada, Australia
If we're talking about Italians, so Romans, look at Carthage, Dacia, Judea
If you kill everyone and replace them with your own population you gain a fantastic colony

all those countries are free now tho, it worked for a great amount of time but we cant go back to a conventional colonial world, you have to do it by proxy with puppet rulers placed by other countries
genocide would work but it's unrealistic option today

Just because they're independent now doesn't mean they always were
Snd they're still allies and economic partners

and just because they always were it doesnt mean they will always be?
i dont really get your point, rules change over time, everyone realizes that

Mostly the reason the Italians couldn't recreate the roman empire, is because of multiple reasons like:

#1: they din't have a higher tech then all the rest of the nations like they did back in the roman days (even if they got some of the're weapon tech from tribes they where still massively higher tech then everyone)

#2 morale problems and the lack of proper gear

#3 almost everyone around Italy had a bigger and better army then them\

Honestly if they just fixed these problems and Hitler took a couple more years to prepare for WW2 then they might of have recreated the roman empire

*claps*

the only way they could is diplomatically, there was zero chance of it happening militarily
>fighting all of the arab world, spain and france and yugoslavia

Italy strong.

lol they wanted Spain too?? Hahahaha haha

They were defeated by the republicans on the spanish civil war a lot of times.

And they sucked Aragonese cock for centuries...

Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.

They came into the colonization game extremely late and for some reason invaded Ethiopia which was totally pointless.
Ideally Fascist Italy would have totally avoided allying with Hitler and just kept assimilating Libyans and colonizing the region with Italian settlers and I legimately believe Libya would have been the "fourth shore of Italy".
They also probably could have kept their Greek Islands had they colonized their possessions.

Because they’re Italians and can’t do anything right

...

Something about this post that makes it hard for me to take it seriously

>They were defeated by the republicans on the spanish civil war a lot of times.
[citation needed]

>what is the telephone

Bell was Scottish, not Italian.

>bell
>inventor of the phone
Found the burger

I'm English.

Hitler ruined the chance with his autism.

They still would revolt after that. There's a reason theyeft the colonies. Perpetual war/state of emergency is EXPENSIVE

>just kept assimilating Libyans

That never was a thing

What happened in Italia between unification and Mussolini anyway

There is a gap there for me

To a point, especially if using local troops

Decolonization was absolutely driven by politics though, not economics

Because Mussolini already viewed Berbers as being Roman.

Tons of bullshit
It was insanity with the country constantly ripped apart by internal strife, north/south disputes, social unrest and general shenanigans

How do you revolt if you're dead?
If you kill the local population there's nobody left to rebel
Just don't treat the colonists like shit and they won't rebel