What is it like not supporting communism or fascism on Veeky Forums?

both sides have committed atrocities, but you can't really expect to start stealing the land of the native population without being fought against

It was never Palestine's land

it was since the rise of islam for 1300 years

Incorrect, it was never legally their land and the British could do as they pleased

>Rise of Islam
You mean the brutal conquests of Islam

Palestine never existed until 1919 and even then it wasn't an independent country

>the brutal conquests
as opposed to all other peaceful conquests by other peoples of the world, really makes me think

Does that even matter when there were people living there until others were introduced by a third party that had no actual regard for people living there?

>Palestine never existed
the palestinian people did exist though, and that was (and still is) their native land

Nice deflection, you've completely missed the point.

>the palestinian people did exist though
did they? How was a Palestinian different from a Jordanian or a Syrian before Israel existed?

>Horseshoe theory
What is the basis for this exactly, historically? When have Nazis and communists not been at each others throats for more then a year?

different cultures
was the point supposed to be that because islam conquered the area genocide is justifiable?

You are hereby sentenced to an eternity of managerial politics with a fence post up your ass as you relive the Fukuyaman liberalism of the 80s-00s to the end of days.

>Legally
>Implying Colonial holdover laws put out by an inbred empire regarded territorial ownership actual mean anything.

an attention seeking faggot

>parents that suffered greatly under communism
>But I'm also Jewish

Who invented communism and which ethnic group pushed for it?

And how could jews possibly be poor and opressed with names involving gold and silver while having a massive wealth?

I know most of you are underage and think it's edgy to be a fascist or communist or whatever because they had cool uniforms, guns, whatever. Neither of them matter in the real world anymore though, and were such a flash in the pan of human history. I get that the war had broader implications, but you don't have to support either of them to be cool. It doesn't make you edgy.

You do realize that we can just be anti communist and anti zionists without being fascist or national socialists?

I think that the majority of people on Veeky Forums support neither communism nor fascism. Honestly, it's hard for me to imagine anyone studying history even somewhat objectively and coming to the conclusion that either communism or fascism are a good idea.

Not really, it would be as saying that poland destroyed the pomeranian and silezian peoples after ww2 while they clearly just pushed germans beyond the oder nesse. Just like how palis are Levantines. That doesn't excuse the atrocities though I just don't buy into the ' palestinian nation' thing existing before 1948

The point is you fuckers come to a foreign country and steal land from the locals. Which country they belong to doesnt matter at all.

Couldn't read past the first sentence kys

Because it didn't belong to a country, and Palestine wasn't a nation. Maybe if all the arabs didn't try to assault Israel they wouldn't have gotten BTFO by jews and more land taken. Imagine how much land Palestine would have today if they didnt try to fight Israel

Disgusting vermin.

>and a wicked sense of humor

What kind of a question is this, even? Most people on the planet aren't communists or fascists.

Pretty much. This seems like a great bait thread. It drew out stormfags and muh Palestine faggots.

As much as I hate Palestinians, this whole thing of conflating the words of nation and state is stupid as fuck. There was a Palestinian nation, a group of people, genetically and culturally linked, who lived in a specific geographic location. They didn't have a state though.

t. statist christcucks

>But I'm also Jewish, so I would never support fascism.
You sure?

There is nothing contradictory about being Jewish and a fash, NatSoc maybe.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Racial_Laws#Unpopularity

>I'm also Jewish, so I would never support fascism
Karl Marx argued that the emancipation of the Jew was inhibited by Jewish identity and could only achieved through the eradication of Jewishness.

The 1947 partition plan was perfectly fair to Palestinians. It gave the Jewish locations to the Jews and Arab locations to the Arabs, with some minor population shuffling. The Jews accepted it and the Arabs decided to attack from literally every direction. Effectively, the Arabs never accepted the 1947 plan, so why should Israel honour it in any any way? Because they got BTFO and now they want to roll back their actions? Jewish presence was fairly significant at that point in the country.
Post-67 occupation gets murkier.

>But I'm also Jewish, so I would never support fascism.
There are a hell of a lot more reasons to not support fascism than just being Jewish.

I support communism, but not socialism.

>Innocent Palestinians

>it is fair only to take the land of half the population

>try to steal half the land of the native population
>they fight back
who would have thought

It wasn't their land. It was a barren swamp wasteland before Jews came and made it worth anything, starting in the late 19th century.

and it wasn't since the rise of Britain and getting their asses handed to them in Galipoli. "oh no we got conquered thats not fair"....muslims are only there because they conqured that land. "we deserve this land because we conquered it"....then get out and stfu losers

>it is not your land if you don't cultivate it

Fuck off commie subhuman

>you live in the somewhat general vicinity of completely empty unused land so it belongs to you and to hell with immigrants fleeing from prosecution

>it wasn't since the rise of Britain and getting their asses handed to them in Galipol
>land changing ownership means the population changes too
wow

>jewish immigrants fleeing from prosecution
>after ww2
what did he mean by this?

>not knowing about stern and his gang

see

Both Jewish immigration and the push towards an Israeli state started way before WW2. It started before the 20th century.

>he is playing the victim card
I have no problem with large scale displacement of native popultions.
But I sure have a problem with bullshit like "this was fair to them" or "we were the actual victims".
Why do you always do this? Aren't you affraid that this will backlash someday?

they only started arriving in the area en masse after ww2

>commie
Not quite. Try anarchist.

While the WW2 wave (not post-WW2 as you claim, it started in the 30's already and was at its height when the war was still restricted to Poland) was the biggest so far, there were already hundreds of thousands of Jews in Palestine at that point.
It's not about playing the victim. Palestinian reaction was understandable emotionally, they made the choice to go to war rather than accept any compromise with their significant neighbors, and they ate shit for it. Refusing the accusation that Palestinians were peaceful natives and those evil nationalist Jews came to steal land away from them isn't me saying that Palestinians were ebul and Jews dindu nuffin.

>I support communism
>not a commie
Why are you dumb?
Why user?

You fucktard will not make moral judgments to put yourself into a victim position and then act as if you were rational.

This board is filled with filthy commies sadly.

>Refusing the accusation that Palestinians were peaceful natives and those evil nationalist Jews came to steal land away from them
that's exactly what happened though, palestinians lived together with the jewish minority in relative peace before mass jewish immigration and zionist terror organizations began tearing the land appart

Commies get called out on their blatant revisionism as much as nazis in this board.

Israel is the best thing to ever happen to the Palestinians.

They can now move to Sweden and get free shit.

shitposter with weak bait

kek

t. statist christcuck
waste of dubs too

Betar, Lehi, Haganah or Irgun? It's difficult to distinguish these organizations.

He probably already is a fascist but of the Zionist variety.

Actually, Palestinians don't duck tail and run like those around them/Africa. They stay and defend their rights to the land. In our lifetime however we will see Israel (Cancer) completely envelop it.

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Lithuanian so naturally despise communism with a passion.

Don't like Nationalsocialism either, but the Holocaust was one of the things they did right. I just want us to stop being irrelevant some day.

when I say I'm not a commie, its because in this site commie=bolshevik sympathiser. I dream of a communist society, but I dont support a dictatorship of the proletariat or a vanguard party or all of taht nonsense.

I forgot to say that an endgame communist society is anarchist by necessity. Anarchists and communists only differ in how to get to it.

Nibba, I'm Bulgarian and I support Communism, unless you're from Yugoslavia or Albania, then I think I have an idea of why your parents "suffered".

bring the copypasta

>balkanite education

He said he's from Eastern Europe not from the absolute southern european shithole we call the Balkans lol... Bulgars are literally 88% turkish

anarcho communism is a paradox
you can't enforce communism without state control (in this case street gangs beating you up if you have two toothbrushes)
anarchy implies there is no non consensual hierarchy or form of violation of personal freedom, when the exact opposite applies to communism

Yeah never saw this marvelous change from state socialism to communism.
If you want anarchism in a communist sense, then you are a commie and you are blind.

Get out of Eastern Europe REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>under communism

Communism has never been reached. Unless you can show me somewhere with common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state.

>Yeah never saw this marvelous change from state socialism to communism
I dont even know what this sentence is supposed to mean
>If you want anarchism in a communist sense, then you are a commie and you are blind
Yes. As I said in the post before, I don't like to use communist because it usually gets interpreted as Leninist-Stalinist-Maoist. I don't believe in Marx's method of achieving communism. I am an anarcho-communist.

>REAL GOMMUNISM WAS NEVER TRY :DDDD

Reread Nietzsche.

Jewish fascism is a thing and it was super weird. They wanted to united with the Palestinians to conquer the middle East.

>tfw Croat
We tried every flavor there is, tell me about it

Normies will be suspicious of you if you actively oppose communism. Veeky Forums has a disdain for normies so you won't be lonely here, some will immediately start busting your balls over it.

power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Zionism is fascist as fuck

It's called being a capitalist apologist and labeling yourself "radical centrist"

That's what they said about dumbocracy after rome

Is that supposed to be bad?

No.

Umm... Yes sweetie

Did somebody say... Centrist?!

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Veeky Forums is a radical centrist board.
Whig history is right.

Welcome home, OP