Why did it take so long for Europeans to realize that a unified and stable Europe is better than being a bunch of...

t. Anglo

>Pre-EU Europe
Invents cars, photography, movies, telephones...and basically all that makes our modern world

>EU Europe
Dying continent that keeps importing third worlders whose religion and cultures spread chaos all over the place

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> Pre-EU Europe
Wars, wars, wars, wars, massive income inequality, most of the population living in abject poverty with immense difficulty even feeding themselves.
> Post-EU Europe
Highest standard of living in human history

When will /pol/ leave?

Because the average european hated his neighbors for wars that had been happening since long before they were born

N-no ur cuck enjoy taking care of ur wife son

>Implying scientific progress halted
>Implying the EU "imports" refugees
>Fucking ((((importing)))) (((((refugees))))
How? Or are they no refugees when they flee from war? I guess they are just some "gudam cuckiducks wo du nod wunna fight fo deir homland" and therefore not in position to seek asylum.
Also
>Chaos
You should go outside some time, or come here. I see no chaos anywere...

Why do Christians want to unite Europe, if everyone knows it would only end up spawning countless numbers of new denominations autistically fighting against each others (now more dangerous because politics is related too)? Imagine them waging a civil war over whether the vinegar in the gospel of John refers to the same grape vine in Matthew or not.

And so what? Fuck you German shit the U.K needs to be free.

>muh wars are bad
Fuck off pussy wars are the very reason Europe isnt ruled by sandniggers right now. Every globalist shill uses the war moral manipulation tactic to promote their slave planet.

Yeah, we couldn't barely breath with you vetoing nearly all reforms in the EU. What are you about to do anyway? Go back to empire building? Pfff, nationalists...
>Fuck off pussy wars are the very reason Europe isnt ruled by sandniggers right now
Yare yare. I'm getting tired of these /pol/fags/unfunnybaiters

The European Union is pure fucking cancer and any European that supports it is literally a traitor to his country.

>Go back to empire building?

That's the EU. They are LITERALLY trying to create a European Empire.

They're trying to create the tower of babel. God sees through their retarded plan, and is now scattering them.

[citation needed]

How much is Putin paying you to post this, and how does it feel to know that no matter how much you earn from it, your nation will still be an unlivable shithole?

>Go back to empire building?
You want a planetary empire globalist hypocrite the EU is already an empire.

>An empire is defined as "an aggregate of nations or people ruled over by an emperor or other powerful sovereign or government

Its the literal definition you fucking retard. Putin pays me 1 rouble for each post.

> ruled over by an emperor or other powerful sovereign or government

And you think 27 distinct members with vetoing power and right of secession lives up to this definition?

The EU is garbage.

EU is slowly trying to remove autonomy from european countries.

[Citation needed]

>I see no chaos anywere

Lol

youtube.com/watch?v=o-nlATNl11U
youtube.com/watch?v=5uM7OMosu-A
youtube.com/watch?v=G6QEL_iLkac
youtube.com/watch?v=0yPWsYqvDGA
youtube.com/watch?v=ORAQ4pLkezs
youtube.com/watch?v=y8OY_KUNqQ4
youtube.com/watch?v=rehgWYA5L90
youtube.com/watch?v=CgVvxEWiQZQ

I don't like the EU, because it makes part of my countrys industri unable to get work because of regulations.

Lmao as if

Everybody knows eu is Continuitation of deutschland, dont pretend otherwise

>People say building the tower of Babel is a bad thing

Honestly, sort of pussy not to try, isn't it?

>vetoing power

Oh excuse me please tell me how I can veto decisions by the European Court of Justice? Please tell me how I can veto the European budget? Besides the ways in which it already reigns as a sovereign government, it is the distinct objective of the European Union to increase centralization of power, with for example a European minister of Finance and a European army. Martin Schulz explicitly stated his objective to officialy form a United States of Europe by 2025.

> 7 cherrypicked videos means that a collection of 500 million people is falling apart.

Fucking hell

I'm sure those industrial sectors are pleased to have access to a market of 500 million people.

>it wouldn't have access to the European market without the EU

Ah yes, there are only 2 options: The EU or autarky. Just like Europe and the European Union are synonymous right?

[Citation needed]
consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/

>Martin Schulz
As I said before all EU shills are zionist cocksuckers.

A united Europe would save us from being irrelevant. Individually we won't be able to to compete geopolitically with USA, Russia, China or even India and Brazil within the next few decades. Sure, European countries may stay as one of the most advanced countries and each still have god tier cultural power, but it would just make us like Peloponnesian Greeks during the Roman Empire aka places for cultural tourism and to study. Politically, diplomatically and economically each of us will be dependent on the great powers.

Why don't you ask those very same industrialists how they would feel about leaving the EU, since you seem to care so deeply about their opinion?

All true, but the current leadership of eu will make europe majority non european voluntary or not. Is that worth that extra gdp pointbor ten

Brainlet

> the current leadership of eu will make europe majority non-european

[citation needed]

Putin shills are out in full force today, phew

What the fuck are you talking about? Industrialists would have me enslaved if they could.

>consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/

?? What are you trying to say here? Literally everything I said still stands.

How's that chaos? That were no incidents the police or army couldn't have handled if they cared. I mean, that protest? Leftists and Rights have these all the time with more ((((chaos)))) You don't need to be scared of their blabbering, it's called Arabic

Because whole Europe was too strong than other world to unite before 1945.
Construction of EU started against domination of USA.

you asked about how the vetoing system works:

The Council has to vote unanimously on a number of matters which the member states consider to be sensitive. For example:

common foreign and security policy (with the exception of certain clearly defined cases which require qualified majority, e.g. appointment of a special representative)
citizenship (the granting of new rights to EU citizens)
EU membership
harmonisation of national legislation on indirect taxation
EU finances (own resources, the multiannual financial framework)
certain provisions in the field of justice and home affairs (the European prosecutor, family law, operational police cooperation, etc.)
harmonisation of national legislation in the field of social security and social protection.
In addition, the Council is required to vote unanimously to diverge from the Commission proposal when the Commission is unable to agree to the amendments made to its proposal. This rule does not apply to acts that need to be adopted by the Council on a Commission recommendation, for example, acts in the area of economic coordination

Well, maybe I'll just move to the US or New Zealand then lol. I can't stand the anxiety of living here with this kind of political uncertainty. Some people say that we are now living in a new dark ages. Maybe they are right.

Off-topic, sorry.

A statement that is objectively true and proven when looking at stats is now shilling

Kanker op verhofstadt kutmongool

>Individually we won't be able to to compete geopolitically

There is no 'we' you fucking idiot. There is only the elite. You're no competing with anyone. Your rules are doing that and they don't give a fuck about you and will gladly replace you with a foreigner who is cheaper.

Lmao the worst is yet come boi, buckle up for the ride no point in running away

Fuck off kike.

Tell me how the EU helps your average European, EU shill.

I did not ask how the vetoing system works you fucking homo. I gave examples of things that can not be vetoed. I also pointed out how the list of things that can not be vetoed is increasing and the overall goal of the EU is to become more powerful relative to member states.

And this doesn't even touch yet on the fact that in a lot of countries the political elite is supporting the EU and increasing its power AGAINST the wishes of its own electorate.

Shit poor slavs are the only people who benefit aside frome german exporters

What did he mean by this?

But the EU isn't distinct from its member states. Vetoing power remains in the most important matters, and the leadership and administration of the union is appointed either directly through representational democracy (parliament) or indirectly through representational democracy (commission and president)

by giving industry in their nation access to a market of 500 million people

They get to see more diversity.

Hes right though for most business owners in todays world. Greed permeates everything not a socialist either btw

>before the EU europeans didnt trade with eachother

t. Mutt

Right, because Iceland, Switzerland and Norway are suffering without that.

I'm sure they did, the EU just made it easier.

Prove it.

standardized regulations and lower tariffs
Are we really debating on a level where I have to explain to you what the EFTA is?

Today? When wasn't that the case? I was more referring to that he tried to connect two far-off related topics: Geopolitcal relevance and how business men think and act(if that is what he actually meant by elites)...

Faggot

The eternal /pol/tard

So then why are you an EU shill and not an EFTA shill?
Why join the EU if it's the EFTA that will help people?

When the church wasnt dead, so people actually had morals

No one expected the Spanish Inquisition either

Also
>No God, no morals bullshit

Ain't gonna post thousands of vids, but in big Western European cities, people get attacked/robbed daily by non-whites

As for terrorist attacks, islam spreading death among European cities every 3 months wasn't a thing 100 years ago

They finally realized where they belong:Serving their German masters.

Yeah western europe is real moral right now egoism galore

Please inform of another way to get broad strata of the public hold moral positions

No reaction ofc, read heidegger folks

The EU is the worst thing to happen to Europe ever.

>A hundred years ago
What ended (roughly) a hundred years ago again? And don't act like all of these attacks are in any way desastrous. Even though they are tragic and just show that ignorant people exist in every culture they don't make me afraid in any way.
> people get attacked/robbed daily by non-whites
What's the difference between a man with white skin tone and brown skin tone robbing you? As if criminals weren't a thing more than a hundred years ago

Because the EFTA is only possible thanks to rules and regulations implemented by a multinational body with legislative power like the EU. The EU whether you like it or not helps to streamline many processes and regulations whilst protecting the consumer to a greater extent than most countries and trade agreements.

Granted there are problems in the EU, one of which is lobbying, as was shown by the comission's initial decision on glyphosphate but the other is actually the meddling of national powers, as shown by the german treason when came the final vote on the same topic.

imo, giving the parliament more power and a proper executive head would solve a huge part of the prob.

One of the highly unspoken and bittersweet benefits of smaller governments and separated states, is that of constant conflict. Sure, doesn't sound like a good thing, but the way that multiple states interact is very embodying of Ying yang philosophy. Constant conflict and disagreement provides balace, although sometimes chaotic balance. The reason people fear single large states, is because in this world mindsets and difference are as common as people. Giving too much domain or power to amy dingle mindset, individual, or group of individuals, eliminates the ability to enact scrutiny towards ideas within this mindset. Essentially, it makes the world single minded. There would likely be benefits and disbenefits to this system, but it untimately would destroy any worldview or mindset other than its own. Multiple states is a thing to help preserve individualism, because we already live in a day where the everyday person barely matters, even on a town level, so the reason people opose single governments in places such as Europe is to preserve and hopefully restore what they can of the individuals value in the world.

>im a retarded american who thinks Europe would be stronger if it was fragmented with no free trade, movement or cohesion and with a third annexed to Russia

When will Russia annex all of Europe except Turkey?

I dont think there are mutts here euroshill

What country are yoj from

Ok i was wrong can smell the mutt on him, reeks of it

People in the US seem to be happy in the US. Also the individual counts more than ever with everyone having the freedome to do essentially whatever they want(as long they don't violate the law). Personal isolationism(What I mean is: no/not much interacting with your neighbours, town, your immediate enviroment) is more of a cultural matter, rather than a governing one, that developed in the last few decades

I dont know, ask Britain what is his problem about that.

>commission and president

The European commission isn't elected in any way. At the moment top tier jobs in the commission depend solely on how much Jean Claude Juncker (who btw is literally an alcoholic who is drunk even on public engagements) likes you and if you speak the same language as him.

>Yeah western europe is real moral right now egoism galore
Where did I imply that? Maybe you should start on explaining and giving sources on how your statement is actually valid and not pulled straight out of your ass?

>adding more government to the pile
>helps to streamline
stopped reading right there.
What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say

>Denouncing it without knowing what it actually says
The self defensive mechanism works fine I see

>oh no! he posted the psychotic jew! im in the wrong now

I wasn't arguing with you, dipshit, I was making fun of you. Maybe I should add that I'm not the same guy as

And yeah, how are you in the right just by not listening? That's kindergarden-tier discussion ffs!

Little did you know that he is actually not the same guy that posted the thing about not reading. I am.
It is my firm belief that expanding government beyond a certain point will only serve to slow down and bloat every process that goes through it. The EU is one of these cases. It should've stayed as a trade union+.

Because EFTA is basically de facto EU-states LARP'ing as independent. The rules and regulations stipulated by the EFTA all more or less come from the EU
wrong again, Putinshill. The commission is appointed by the council and the parliament, both of which are democratically elected.

>How? Or are they no refugees when they flee from war? I guess they are just some "gudam cuckiducks wo du nod wunna fight fo deir homland" and therefore not in position to seek asylum.
This would hold some weight

IF the EU itself didn't finally admit that 70% of the "refugees" are in fact just economic migrants that are coming from areas not touched by war or serious conflict.

So much for the "muh hard working Syrians", huh?

So I say the commission isn't elected, then you proceed to call me wrong using the following statement:
>The commission is appointed

How fucking retarded are you exactly?