There’s forty shillings on the drum

>Conquer a bunch of uneducated savage tribes, waging war to impose on them opium and capitalism

>Implying that that’s not what the Spanish, Portuese, French, Dutch and the Russians did too
>Implying India and China were uneducated savage tribes

>Lay the foundation of our modern, savage world built around merchandise, currency and destruction of any values

You can thank American consumerism for that

>hope
>Corbyn

nice meme brother

>unironically liking austerity and mass privatisation
>n-no, keep voting for the status quo

tories are actually so sad

>Lay the foundation of our modern, savage world built around merchandise, currency and destruction of any values
That's the Jews though

>says he wants a return to traditional culture
>unironically thinks a labour govt would even fathom such a thing instead of pandering to minorities

>tories don't pander to minorities! despite the fact immigration has increased since blair!

>it isn't the mass privatisation, consumption and deregulation destroying prosperity and our values, it's the 4% population who are PAKIS!

>i don't care if i have to pay £40 for a train ticket to london and can't get a job anywhere north of birmingham, at least the conservatives say every few months that muslims are bad, after they finish signing that new arms deal with saudi arabia!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Federation

Blame the liberals who boycotted this.

>I’ve felt this new kind of hope with Corbyn though.
hahahah what the actual fuck

Anglos, the real villains of history.

Our entire political class are second-rate, but I just believe that the current Labour opposition are the worst in the history of British politics, and that the Tories are the best of two shitty options.

So what is it about Corbyn that so inspires you, and convinces you that he can restore the 'traditional values' that you speak of?

...

Goddamnit how did this never happen

What could have been

>So what is it about Corbyn that so inspires you, and convinces you that he can restore the 'traditional values' that you speak of?

>SocDem Economics
>Nationalized Rail expanded and based on cooperative work systems
>The glory days of Atlee reborn
>Manufacturing subsidisation
>Funding for schools

I believe he will restore traditional avlues and you do not beacuse we collide on what is destroying these values. You think it's brown people, I think it's the mass privatisation and tertiarization of industry reducing us to hours of meaningless work for an economic monopoly and the destruction of welfare and subsidies, destroying our spirit and making us frugal and consumerist.

>Be british
>Move
>Call yourself American
>Suddenly it isn't still britains fault
OH COME OUT YOU BLACK AND TANS

>tfw ywn see a federation of Combined Franco-British colonies
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_Union
Literally too OP for this world

As a further point, my idea of traditional british culture is traditional festivals, music and food. Your's is likely starving indians.

Even mentioning the shiteater Corbyn in the same sentence as the chad Atlee is an insult to the great man.

>Nationalized Rail expanded and based on cooperative work systems
agree

>Manufacturing subsidisation
which particular industries? majority of our secondary sector industries excepting maybe aerospace and cars are dead and pumping tax payer money into them won't make a labour force with such low productivity like ours suddenly a strong manufacturing nation as we once were.

>Funding for schools
elaborate?

I see you're trying to tar me with the racism brush but is it unreasonable to say that, with our public services creaking under the pressure of high population growth and house prices skyrocketing, stopping or at least significantly cutting immigration levels will go some way towards alleviating the stress on our public institutions?

I'm seeing a lot of cognitive dissonance - british culture is festivals, music and food...

Indian curry is a staple of British culture - and all the better for it. So how exactly have we lost sight of our traditional values if fucking food, music and festivals are the metrics you're judging them by. What are you trying to say about how such values like music and food have been lost and how do we regain them?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)#Round_Table

Just annex the world already.

Not him but immigration is a miniscule factor in causing the housing crisis. Terrible 'provatization' policies towards constrution that ironically result in the sector being more regulated, unrestricted landlordism outcompeting first time buyers, international investors, including russian oligarchs and dictators, viewing property in the uk as a great way to store their money, ultra rich buying second homes, and a finance dominated economy with an 'it never goes down' attitude to housing prices are the key driving factors.

This sounds absolutely awful unless you plan to oppress/genocide millions of brown people.

>hurr if you don't want a lunatic fantasist pacifist ultra-cuck as PM, you must unironically love everything the dimwitted corrupt semi-competent Tories are doing!
This is Hillary vs Trump all over again, holding your nose and voting for Trump because Hillary is beyond the pale doesn't mean you worship Trump, or even that you like him. I voted Labour all my life, but I voted for may over Corbyn because I'm old enough to remember what socialist rule looks like.

>which particular industries? majority of our secondary sector industries excepting maybe aerospace and cars are dead and pumping tax payer money into them won't make a labour force with such low productivity like ours suddenly a strong manufacturing nation as we once were.

>In 2016, financial and insurance services contributed £124.2 billion in gross value added (GVA) to the UK economy, 7.2% of the UK’s total GVA. London accounted for 51% of the total financial and insurance sector GVA in the UK in 2015. There are over one million jobs in the financial and insurance sector (3.1% of all UK jobs). The UK had a surplus of over £60 billion on trade in the financial and insurance sectors in 2016. In 2015-16, the banking sector alone contributed £24.4 billion to UK tax receipts in corporation tax, income tax, national insurance and through the bank levy.

£124bn financial, £155bn manufacturing.

You are under a classic misconception. Manufacturing hasn't gone down, it's stagnated, and the services and financial industries have boomed. The reason it hasn't grown is because all funding goes into London to appease investors. There's no reason why we can't subsidise manufacturing, it's just become a taboo topic.

>but what about unemployment from manufacturing? (i imagine you're wondering)
That's a result of automation and higher level, more specialized manufacturing. Like you said, planes, computer parts etc.

And productivity can be improved with higher wages. We have one of the lowest GDP's per capita in western europe, man. Wages need to be higher.

>elaborate?
Free School Meals, Textbook subsidisation, improved regulation so Northerners will actually send their kids to school. These will all contribute to improve our labour force, and attract more high tech work.

1/2

>Indian curry is a staple of British culture - and all the better for it. So how exactly have we lost sight of our traditional values if fucking food, music and festivals are the metrics you're judging them by. What are you trying to say about how such values like music and food have been lost and how do we regain them?

I am saying local traditions have been lost. The country used to be rich with local culture. We have lost our roots.

>i'm an angry blairite lying about my age online

>I see you're trying to tar me with the racism brush but is it unreasonable to say that, with our public services creaking under the pressure of high population growth and house prices skyrocketing, stopping or at least significantly cutting immigration levels will go some way towards alleviating the stress on our public institutions?

Rising population is miniscule to public works, it is austerity that is driving this strain, not population growth, which hasn't been much at all.

As for house prices, this user summarised it well:
Immigration is barely a factor in any of these.

>Not him but immigration is a miniscule factor in causing the housing crisis.
Yeah, no. There's always been limited housing, not enough for even the native people, but this by design since it's cheaper to put up the excess homeseekers in temporary private flats while they wait for an available property than it is to pay maintenance on a bunch of used houses because you built more than you needed. This system goes out of the window when mass immigration hits an area, doubly so since immigrants get priority on housing lists. Without migrants, Britains population growth would be slow enough to keep ahead of demand, with it there is no hope of this, and massive numbers of natives are forced into terrible private slum flats not just temporarily but permanently, single native men in particular have no hope of ever being granted social housing.

The UK's population has increased by 13 Million in 20 years, and that's taking into account Birth rates from the native population. Hardly overbearing. We saw a greater increase in the baby boom than we did in the past 50 years.

>local traditions have been lost

While this is certainly true for some folks, I’d say if you look a little closer at some small communities you can still see that they value local traditions and community spirit

For example, where I live we still have street fairs and a yearly neighbourhood fete, and old English folk music is very much alive and well under the surfaces. We also still make a guy to burn each 5th November, stuff like that

Pic related is the local fete, in St Cross, we still have

If you don't think that's an insane and unsustainable rate of growth then you're wrong.

Rural traditions are mostly intact, but only because urban elites have no interest in them beyond mocking the stupid bumpkins. But the British traditions of the cities are nearly all gone, the smoking ban killed the last big one (going to the pub), and social alienation caused by mass migration has killed the others.

Yes, and I love all that, user. This is what I love about this country.

I just feel that in larger towns, like where I live, consumption and an obsessively modernist lifestyle has made these die more and more each year.

We have this ironic apathy and detachment from this spirit, like we;re scared to take it seriously cos we don't wanna be 'crazy country folk'. It sucks.

>theres always been limited housing
True, there have always been systemic problems with housing in britian, how about we fix the system instead of blaming migrants
>it worked until immigration
No it didnt, there was a housing crisis in the 50s before mass immigration was a thing
>immigrants get priority on housing lists
Can you substantiate this statment? I think not
>muh opressed single native man
Grow up

Face it, weve had an openly anti immigration government in power for 7 year snad the crisis has only gotten worse, blaming immigrants is literally the oldest fucking trick in the book to distract people from real issues and trying to find real solutions for said issues

>Rural traditions are mostly intact, but only because urban elites have no interest in them beyond mocking the stupid bumpkins.

100% agreed. A Sad State.

>But the British traditions of the cities are nearly all gone, the smoking ban killed the last big one (going to the pub),

I actually worked at a pub when I was 19. It's more that they're just not economically viable. Pubs now have to sell lots of food and host as many events as they can to get by. I remember my Boss telling me that, like, 80% of our money came in through selling coke. It's for Various reasons, and the smoking ban is one. But supporting the middle and working class is integral to keeping pubs alive.

Why dont you just go live in the country then?

>Supporters of the Imperial Federation regarded the United Kingdom as having two possible futures; imperial union and continued long-term importance or imperial dissolution and the reduction of the status of the UK to a second-class nation.
Huh.

>and social alienation caused by mass migration has killed the others.
Pubs aren't that much more succesful in almost entirely native white cities like Sunderland than in London.

...

That song always gives me the feels
youtu.be/WOeYPpOblAw

Because I wanna see the problem fixed at large? Why do people discuss politics at all if they can just go somewhere else?

Don't like beheading women for looking at men? Move out of Saudi Arabia!

It isn't about one;s personal life, but their genuine anger at the problem.

>going to the pub is dead
Maybe for people with no freinds i go to the pub and drink with my mates all the fucking time

The problem isloads of them have had to become chain pubs cuz supermarkets basically sell beer at a loss to get people into them who then by food so they get a net profit, but this means that pubs dont actually really make any money selling beer, hence the rise of chain pubs.

Welcome to post indusdrial capitlaism

Pubs were only part of it, there was a whole tapestry of community activity like social clubs and workingmen's clubs that have simply died out. Most neighborhoods don't have any kind of organized neighborhood watch or really ANY interaction as a community, they say "hello" to their neighbors when they see them on the street and that's it. This social atomization has been disastrous for local traditions, as well as a massive cause of depression and anomie in young people.

>he never responds

BTFO

'Theres no such thing as society'

Yes, i agree. It's just not caused by immigrants.

That social alienation is no less prevalent in Blackpool than London. It's a result of consumerism. As well as my other more personal view of ironic detachment. Media tells kids you should move to the city, get married at 40 and get pissed every night. They feel ashamed to enjoy community spirit.

And she was mocked for it at the time, so much so that even today its a meme. If she said it today? I don't think many would disagree.

Thats kinda the point im making, society doesnt exist any more cuz she killed it

It's not that you're wrong, it's that you think voting, especially voting for Labour, is of consequence. It isn't. Britain is finished. Also, pakis are still a blight, and your false dichotomy doesn't convince me otherwise.

>LOL i'm a nihilist your vote NEVER matters no politicians are ever FOR ANYTHING.
>it's so much easier to just say they're all the same than actually research candidates

m.youtube.com/watch?v=8s2MSVaXNqQ

Not that faggot but Britain can't be fixed with the tools we have available, either we have some kind of god-awful revolution or we continue to slide towards oblivion.

>revolution

Yes Please.

>implying true brits don't support a united ireland

>Yes Please
Spoken like a true useful idiot. Revolutions always have catastrophic fallout, even in the best possible outcomes, like the American Revolution, you're talking countless dead and massive economic damage. And most revolutions don't end like the US one, they end like the French or Russian ones, in disaster and tyranny.

Better than a slow slide into death.

also
>French Revolution
>Ended in Tyranny

>>French Revolution
>>Ended in Tyranny
What? Read a book you tard.
>Better than a slow slide into death.
A quick slide into death is not better than a slow one, no.

Better to go out with a bang than a fizzle

How did it end in tyranny?

Go on, please say.

>A quick slide into death is not better than a slow one, no.
>in my specific idea of a revolution it ends badly! Ha! Destroyed!

But what if instead of a glorious last stand, we get a Stalin or a Pol Pot, who simply makes everything worse? Better to fade away with dignity than to go Full Hitler.

>How did it end in tyranny?
Are you seriously asking this or is this some kind of joke or Veeky Forums meme I'm not familiar with? I mean it's literally the textbook example of a revolution having terrible outcomes and ending in tyranny.

I get it that you're fresh out of sixth form politics club, but after you get whichever blue guy or red guy you want in your first GE and are left feeling betrayed, you'll come to agree that the difference between Labour and Conservative is ultimately superficial. All it is, is a smokescreen. It's football for people with three digit IQs, but still severely lack in wisdom. Pick up a book and find a personal philosophy instead of nesting your hopes in idealistic and futile political ideology, worrying about things you can't change is setting yourself up for disappointment.

HOW. IF IT IS SO OBVIOUS, SAY HOW!

Napoleon was elected, and so was the republican government.

Hitler was elected too you dumb sack of shit. If you honestly think the reign of terror, the countless civil wars, and the establishment of absolute tyranny under Napoleon is "a good outcome" then I don't know what to tell you.

>Absolute Tyranny
>Napoleonic Code gives millions of Europeans their first human rights and destroys feudalism

And Hitler was not elected, he was invited into a coalition government with Papen, lol.

Yeah you're beyond retarded.

Truly the red pilled minds of their times.

what an argument

Um, sweetie, that's not an argument, it's just a statement of facts.

Whatever you say, lol.

I'm so retarded, but you can't say why!

>I'm so retarded, but you can't say why!
There's no point when its obvious to everyone. It just becomes cruel at that point.

Hundreds of years of foresight is a wonderful thing. Revolution is always the right thing to do at the time, you can't fault the downtrodden for that, just like they can't live with their face in the dirt. History tells us that civilisations are organisms. They are foisted upon the world, they have a youth, they enter old age, and political instability, almost as in a market, forces agents to increase efficiency. So fuck off with your idea of infinite prosperity/status quo.

>muh class war
Dumb kid.

It's so obvious, you can't even say. Convenient!

Do you always reinvent your opponent's propositions or do you just have nothing to say?

I'll let you know if that happens.

And i do have a personal philosophy, it's just that labour suits that to a decent degree.

What a terrible idea, the empire will always see Britain as a colonial overlord or you'll reduce Britain in power and status as just one member of a completely unintelligble and unsustainable abomination of a country.

>glorious revolution

That's another rare example, albeit its a bit rich to call it a revolution in the usual sense, it was really more like a coup.

Every revolution is essentially a coup if not just an outright war

A coup is simply a change in ruling party, the regime remains intact. Revolutions aim to change the regime, not merely the ruling party.

What the fuck have you been smoking?
There have been more than few coups that totally changed the regime, pinochets coup in chile comes to mind.
And desu you kinda proved my point, a revolution is just an coup but with wider goals and deeper implications, at the heart of every revolution is a coup, hence every revolution is a coup

Couldn't you work in some sort of confederacy with only Canada, Australia and New Zeland? Would increase your overall power and economic independance, no?
t. Russian, who doesn't know much about your inner-commonweath workings.

I think it was understood that this new Union would only be the white dominions. There was some talk of Indians getting SOME representation, but that was it.

Stop pining and post British folk music, Scottish, English, Welsh, Irish, anything.
youtu.be/2OGfeu1JYbg
youtu.be/T-TgxTmglE8
youtu.be/yHXHd7LAmx8
youtu.be/waeNlEZkZyE
youtu.be/scoB-A0DQuk

you think you will get this from the literal commie?

>Supply and Demand
>Immigrants aren't the problem

>tfw the Anglosphere isn't a loose confederation of hypercapitalist Neo-Victorian city states

youtube.com/watch?v=oF9bMLqC1iw

Nice pic. Too bad you will all be minorities in your countries before the end of this century.

>hope with Corbyn
No offence but you might be an idiot.

Don't remind me, I live in Birmingham. Nothing worse than faggot middle class kids who live in 100% white areas talking about how immigration has a minuscule effect on the country (see: this thread).

>falling for the values spook